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Yes I got them, Tantan sent the wrong handlebars so I replaced with HBR17.

I have 100x360 with adapter for SL8. Finish is definitely better than the Rapide clone although there were some sharp edges where the hoses exit by the shifters (inside edge, scraping on the hoses), but I got it sanded. Also gave feedback to Wendy @ LC about it. Top cap sits better than on the clone. To me they feel nice and stiff, but I'm also a quite small and light guy (62kg) so I'm generally not worried. Besides being available in narrow size they have a compact geometry for reach and drops that suit me and I generally like the shape and curves of the bars.

Bars only weighed like 310g, with top cap, spacers, computer mount and everything it was about 350g. Came delivered very well packaged. Handlebars wrapped in a nice foam tube and box filled with more foam.

Computer mount has an unusual 3-bolt attachment so I don't think there are really any options to have it replaced with something else unless you get it designed and printed yourself. I had issues with front brake vibrations and my Garmin unit on the Rapide clone bars, where it would warn for an incident after using front brake while stopping the bike. I got it sorted with installing 3mm soft foam that I put between the mount and the Garmin adapter (just squeeeeezed with the screws). I did the same from start with these bars and the computer mount, so I have no idea if these would have the same issue without the foam.

Don't have that much to compare with, before the SL8 clone I had a repaired frame from 2013 or so, with round alu bars. But I like this one, to me it feels good and it looks good.

Pictures from when I had just installed them on the bike.

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On the topic of handlebars.

Since Tantan wasn't really forthcoming after having messed up and shipped the wrong handlebar I treated myself (and the bike) to Light Carbon's HBR17 in size 360x100. Looks very much like Ullicyc T4 Ultra but with a 3-bolt solution for the computer mount. Weighed in at 309g naked and 351g with top cap, bolt and computer mount - including gopro mount underneath for light. I asked nicely and the supplied an adapter for SL8->their spacer.

Still waiting for the bar wrap but I have done about 190km on 2 rides and so far I like it. Much prefer the 360mm instead of the 400 that Tantan shipped. But most of all I really like the looks and how that curvy little thing is just waiting for a pair of steady hands...  8)


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Measuring the Stack is clear to me. But how to measure reach in a way I can compare it to the X68. I other words, form where tot where do I measure? Look at these charts, wouldn't it be easier/better to measure effective toptube?

https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/tantan-tt-x68-2024/

You have 3 contact points on the bike, the pedals (centered around BB), the saddle and the bar (or hoods where most people have their hands). The top tube doesn't really say anything about any of the contact points. BB is the only contact point you can't adjust, so measure the other contact points relative to the BB. Make sure saddle is reasonably close to where you want it, adjusting the saddle is easy. Put more effort into the bars, they are more complicated (and expensive) to adjust if you need to change integrated bars because the stem is the wrong length.

The problem with the geometry chart is that it only tells part of the story. It only tells you about the frame and not about the complete bike and the extra parts needed to make the frame fit your body. If you have the geometry chart for your current bike you can compare stack/reach between the frames and then you can compare how many spacers and what stem length you need to get the bars in the same position as on your current bike.

If you don't have the geometry chart for your current bike you can measure from the BB to the bars/hoods and calculate spacers and stem from the X68 geometry.

If you measure to the hoods you'll have to compare the handlebars too (reach). Could be worth looking into it though, would be annoying if the bar is in the correct place but the hoods are 1-2cm off. I think the Roval Rapide clone bars are quite compact.

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I really like the integrated bars over a seperate stem.Is there a specific length that I can measure from my current bike set-up (like reach?) to get a better guess/estimate? If so, what exactly do a measure (mid-seatpost to mid-handlebars? Of mid-sadle to mid-handlebars)?

If you're not interested in a complete bike fit you can measure your current bike and copy/paste over to your new bike. Reach and stack are good measurements but they don't say that much by themselves. I would say you'll really want the position of the saddle (reach/stack to saddle from BB) to get the fit for your lower body. You'll also want measurements from the saddle to the hoods. Last one is not all that easy to measure but it's needed for upper body fit.

If you play around with this in excel (with geometry for your current frame, spacers, stem, bars etc) and add a new row with geometry for new bike/prospect you can calculate reasonable size of bike and components. If you're confident you don't need to change your fit on the bike this is the cost-effective way to do it.

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Yeah well, the experience with Tantan hasn't been the best and the outcome of the paint was not as intended but it still was suprisingly good so I'm still happy about it.

The wheels were ~1050$ + 150$ shipping to .se so far from being cheap for being a chinese wheelset.

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So, I've been lurking here for some time and sometime in early May I placed an order for a X68 with complete Ultegra di2 groupset and a set of 50/65 Falcon pro turbo from Light bicycle. The wheels are 34mm wide and I run Conti GP5k 30C that expand to 33mm. It is absolutely not a weight weenie build, focus has been on a mix of aero and comfort for endurance riding without explicitly trying to weigh the bike down. Don't have a good scale to weigh the bike but the bathroom scale says it's around 7,7kg. This is without wrapping the handlebars though.

The pros with Tantan is the comparatively low costs for both frame and groupset 2100$ inc. shipping to .se. Also the possibility for custom paint. I think the cons would be pretty much everything else though.

I ordered the frame painted matte red and matte black with a long gradient along the top tube and down tube. Gradient is good and is actually better in reality than what it looks like on the pictures. However it was not matte but painted in gloss.  ::) Paint was ok on the frame, the fork has a few marks, some small like specks of dust in the color and one larger where it looks like something has touched the fork before the paint dried. Thankfully it's at least on the back of the fork. Brake mounts have some over spray and front brake was hard to install. Had to do a lot of filing to be able to install it in the first place and in the end I got help to do a professional facing for the front brakes.
Tantan also sent the wrong handlebars. I'm a small guy, frameset is size 49 and Tantan sent me 400x90 handlebars instead of the 380 I've specified. On my old bike I run 360 so this was already a compromise. And they're absolute a$$holes to deal with when it comes to something like this. If it is mentioned that they've made an error - the emails won't be answered. If I ask for at least some kind of discount for ordering a new handlebar - the emails won't be answered. I've been reluctant to install the wrong size handlebars for a while but now I've just installed them so I can at least ride the bike.
Also I didn't calculate seat post length and min insertion so now I've got about 85mm insertion. X68 should have 100mm insertion but SL is at 75mm. Since I'm a small light guy I'm not stressing over it and anyway Tantan doesn't want to talk to me about selling me a longer seat post or narrower bars.

Has anyone tried to fit Yoho seat post to the X68? Or can someone recommend any other SL8 style seat post that will fit?

It is unlikely that Tantan will receive more money from me so I've ordered the new HBR17 in 360x100 from LightCarbon. More expensive but it looks promising IMHO. I like that it is available in narrower size and I also like that it has some flare - if nothing else it will at least contribute to a sporty look. It is also available with spacers/adapter for SL8 if you ask nicely.


So far I have only made 4 rides and less than 200km on the bike and it sure is different from my old bike. The old is a repaired Focus Cayo (2013-2014 or something) with 35mm alu rims and mechanical 10s. Even if the new bike only is "current" the leap from the old bike is large enough to make it feel like I'm in the future now. The bike wants more speed and tighter corners so I think we'll have some good times together.

Paint job didn't turn out exactly like I wanted it but I think the way it actually turned out isn't bad either. Together with the wheelset I like the visual appearance and I think the new handlebars will also contribute to a sporty/racy look. Overall I'm happy with the bike and don't regret buying it although some of the experience with Tantan has been frustrating. Only drawback is now I can't blame the bike - now it is clear that the motor is the limiting factor. I think that if LightCarbon LCR018-D had been released before I bought the X68 I might have bought that one instead and made a build leaning more on comfort (and "aero looks") than actual aero. Would be interesting to build an endurance bike with deep section rims for 38-40c slicks but that's an entirely different project.

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