How are you liking the Cinturatos?

Not that I have a ton of points of comparison, but the Cinturato gravel H in 45C had me embarrassingly overbiked on cat 1 and 2 gravel. Felt like riding a couch. Absolutely no issues with grip (obviously). What did surprise me about them is that they also felt significantly faster than my previous Gravelking SS+ in 38C on pavement. Shockingly quick!

Their respective gravel versions (LCG072-D and XMCS GRT), aside from being very similar to the road models, have shorter seat tubes (520/490mm), which would look better aesthetically. However, they have quite different geometries, particularly regarding a higher stack/shorter reach, a more closed head tube angle, and longer chainstays... these features should make for a more stable and easier ride, though likely at the expense of the frame's responsiveness.

So, ultimately, I’m not sure if they would be the best choice for predominantly road use.

That said, the LCG072-D posted by Hambini and Jim looks amazing! Maybe even better than the LCR020-D and LCR018-D!

Hmm, so I’m looking at the geo charts and comparing the LCG072-D to the LCR018-D, in size L/560. They’re so similar. Single digit mm difference on stack/reach, head tube angle about 1 degree difference,  chain stay 5mm longer on the LCG and wheelbase  18mm longer on the LCG (that’s the most significant difference). So I’m not so sure that these would ride all that differently on tarmac unless I’m underestimating the difference a handful of millimeters here and there can make. Am I off base?

Yeah full agree. I was honestly quite fine with 38c because I was mostly planning on riding on paved roads and quite nice gravel roads (plenty of those in southern Sweden). But if I can buy pretty much the same bike but ALSO have the possibility to send it down some gnarlier stuff with huge tires... I mean it's a pretty easy call.

As an aside - don't know if I'm fooling myself but I swear the fork looks different than LCR018-D, cooler somehow (from the side).

Anyways, how are you planning on building it up?

Same here. 38C would get the job done for 99% of my riding around the New York City area.  A vast majority of my rides would be on our (relatively crappy) city streets, so ~35C tires would be ideal. Nearly all of the gravel around NYC would be fine on 38Cs with some tread. But there are a few routes a bit farther afield that would benefit from 45Cs, and I would hate to exclude myself from those rides if I don't have to. My current bike is an aluminum gravel bike (GT Grade Comp), so I can access those trails, but the geometry is so long and slack that it feels a bit like steering a boat on the road. This LCG072 seems to make no trade-offs in terms of geometry that would affect me on the vast majority of the courses I ride. Pretty compelling.

Anyway, I've already got two wheelsets... one Elitewheels Drive (gen 1) 50D running Conti GP5K 32C for road duty and one Elitewheels Marvel G35 running Pirelli Cinturato Gravel H 45C for gravel duty. Idea would be to build this frame up with a GRX 2x12 Di2 groupset, british racing green custom paint, with brown saddle & bar tape. I've always lusted after that color combo.

Also re: the fork, yeah I think it's a new design. I started a thread about this on the Chinese Carbon subreddit and someone mentioned that Lightcarbon did redesign the fork for even more clearance, but that's unverified info since few details about this frameset exist in the real world.

How would you build this one up?

Hi all, I'm on the market for a new frame and to me it's between the LCR018-D (endurance road) and this one. Main sticking point for me is that I want to be able to put 40C tires on my bike and I think that's a bit of a stretch for the LCR. That's putting me on to this frame here.

Can someone help me understand: the stack and reach of this LCG072 frame are within single-digit millimeters of the LCR018-D. That can't be right, can it? To me, the LCG seems like the LCR with a marginally more slack seat tube angle, a slightly more slack head tube angle, plus a 9mm higher BB and a few more MM on the chainstays. Like, it's really not very different. Main difference is tire clearance, supposedly up to 50mm based on this thread.

So I guess my (perhaps naive) question is: am I wrong? And if not, why would one buy the LCR over this one? I mean, I worry that my 32mm road tires would look weird in the cavernous front fork, but are there other compelling reasons to avoid this frame if most of my riding is on tarmac?

They have an almost identical looking frame but with more tyre clearance for gravel, just buy that instead.

Hold up, which one? Is that the new aero gravel frame coming out?