Quote from: dinsum on January 08, 2018, 02:03:16 PM

I agree BSA isn't the best, but it is the least problematic...
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I actually really want the CS-041 frame but why does it have to be so expensive!  $570 USD now, $660 with shipping, my workswell 062 was $350 shipped, maybe ill bite the bullet and just order it I have heard great things about that frame

bxcc is spot on, there isn't probably a clearly better BB style than the other.
We all seem happy of our BB choices, and tend to use the same standards on our various bikes, for ease of maintenance, and interchangeable parts.

It happens I have both the 041 and the 062.
From what I read recently here, it seems they do not build the 041 anymore, or maybe it is just temporary?

Not sure what makes the 041 so expensive, but I flashed on it when I saw it.
And don't regret buying it.
It is much more stable and stiffer than the 062 or other branded bikes I tried.
I would have a really hard time to replace it by something else if it broke.

I liked the M-009 from Tideace a lot, it looks nice, and is stiff too.
However the recent episode about their poor warranty support, and the limit to a 34T chainring turn me off now.

Good luck for your choice

Good Info! But omg now I really want to buy the cs-041 lol

Already spent enough in the last few days with a wearable gimbal and gopro 5, also made a order on wiggle for truing stand, dishing tool and spoke guage lol,  the frame will have to wait for now unless I see it go on sale

Quote from: dinsum on January 08, 2018, 10:37:20 AM

I was skeptical at first but trust me only go with BSA, not worth the hassle to go with anything else to risk creaking and needing much more tools to install the bottom bracket, BSA will only add like 50-75 grams I believe. I use the shimano deore BB52 bottom bracket which cost like $15, basic tools to install, using it for 2 years now and spins super nice and smooth just like the day I got it and never heard a single creak from it

The same can be said about press fit BB.
To tighten a BSA you need a special tool.
While you can do a press/extractor for about $5 with a 13mm bolt and washers, or get some more sophisticated ones for $15 on ebay.

When my bearings are not smooth enough to my liking, I replace them with Aliexpress ones.
I ride about 8,000km per year, and change them twice.
Probably because I live in the muddy Belgium, and I like them very smooth.
On the dry, a couple of ceramic bearings from aliexpress at $10 would last ages.

For the creaking, you first have to be sure it comes from the BB, which is often questionnable.
A carbon frame is like a drum, a noise you ear somewhere can come from the other side.
If in the end the BB is creaking, add some Loctite, and put it back.

Like everything, you mostly read stories about people complaining.
And do not see the silent majority( most new bikes are PF ) who have never had any problems in thousands of km, like me.

I've had a couple of failed frames, that I looked into or cut to see more details in them.
And each time, I was appalled by the poor quality of the alloy shells in the frames we buy.
There may be some good ones, but buying a frame now, I insure it is bare carbon PF.

I agree BSA isn't the best, but it is the least problematic, I got my BSA tool for $3 from ebay, acts as a chain whip too, works perfect as both

An example of a situation where press fit is good, the CS-041 frame was designed with a bigger and wider bottom bracket area which allows for wider chainstays, which stiffens the frame up nicely and you save the weight of not needing the BSA fitting, in this case press fit is very much worth it

An example of a situation where press fit isn't as good is the workswell 062 frame, because the chainstays were not designed around a specific wider press fit, you get no stiffness added when going to press fit, all you get is a little bit of weight savings which isn't really worth the trouble for most of the riders out there

I actually really want the CS-041 frame but why does it have to be so expensive!  $570 USD now, $660 with shipping, my workswell 062 was $350 shipped, maybe ill bite the bullet and just order it I have heard great things about that frame

I was looking into maybe getting a new frame this year

The workswell 062 frame has been great, its biggest downsides are the rear end has some flex to it, and the head angle is a bit high for my liking at 71 degrees, also was a little skeptical about the 430mm chainstay but I think that's actually a good number

I am wondering, how many people have put a 120mm fork on this frame?  I currently have a 100mm fork which should mean my HA is 70.5 degrees (since the 71 HA is based off a 90MM travel fork and for every 10mm should change the HA 0.5 degrees or so) but I would really like it around 69 - 69.5 degrees

I can remove the spacer in my fork to make it 120mm travel, but I worry a bit that 120mm travel might be too much angle for the headtube to handle, but honestly now that I think about it, it probably makes no difference to the stresses of the headtube because the headtube shouldn't see extreme forces until the fork is completely compressed and a 100mm fork and 120mm fork fully compressed is the same thing. Sure a 120mm fork will be a bit harder to fully compress over a 100mm fork but the difference should be minimal. I just kind of want to get an idea of how many people went with a 120mm fork and if they like it or not?

It seems like the 120mm fork will just add some more cushin when im pushin, make the bike slightly more plush with a slightly slacker head angle

So my biggest problem with the 71 degree head angle is sometimes I get stuffed by a big root a little easier then I would like and the bike feels slightly twitchier then I would like, switching to 120mm fork should add more plushness to compress the fork when hitting a big root and the slightly slacker head angle should also assist in this matter, does this sound right or am I doing the wrong thing here?

Thanks for any input

My stock workswell rear 142x12 was 72 grams, i switched it out for this one since its got good review and its very cheap

http://store.ibiscycles.com/hexle-p262.aspx

It weighs about 40 grams, i picked the shimano 142 version and it fits perfectly

I also switched out my front 15x100 stock rockshox axle for their maxle stealth, here is a link to where I purchased mine

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302266146459?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It weighs 38 grams instead of the stock 73 grams

Hope this helps somebody!