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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 20, 2024, 10:46:12 PM »
There are aftermarket cassete options for 12sp that will work on your 11sp HG freehub.  You dont have to buy new wheels for that.

Yes, I realised that, I've gone with a Spedao lightweight 11-50t cassette which is 25% the price of an equivalent weight sram cassette.  I'm still thinking of going XD on my road bike wheel in order to go down to a 10t cassette.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 20, 2024, 02:30:03 PM »
These are the reasons I went Wheeltop, I intend to upgrade one wheelset to 12sp and leave the other as 11sp.  I hoping that wheeltop, in the future, add a wheel/bike profile feature where you can setup different indexing for different wheels and then swap between easily.

With this flexiblity the Wheeltop isn't just cheaper, but it's also technical ahead of Shimano and Sram..... in this specific area. Downside of flexible configuration of indexing and gearing is that it can take a lot of work to get it perfect - as I am finding with my GeX ATM, some learning on my part. So for Sram and Shimano, if they want a great customer experience and minimize support calls, having it 'just work' Apple style is important for the wider consumer market.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 19, 2024, 11:53:46 PM »
Yeah, I was close to buying the Sram outfit, but went with wheeltop. https://thebrig.com.au/products/sram-mullet-upgrade-kit-x01-force-etap-shifters?Title=Default+Title.

Only time will tell if it was the correct decision, at the moment I'm still working through the initial gear indexing which has been slow and frustrating.... note that the frustration may be from my lack of skills and learning as I go, I've only ever fit and tuned mechanical before.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 19, 2024, 10:11:21 PM »
I got full GeX groupset for 630 AUD ($411 USD) + postage from Taobao.... so would be even cheaper for wholesale or bulk purchase.

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Help please - I'm trying to setup my GeX groupset, so EDS  but 1x I guess.

Problem: I'm trying to initialise the rear mech, but it will not go down to sprocket 1 (smallest).  On my 12 speed it will only go as low as cog 3, on my 11 speed it won't go past cog 2.

In the app I'm in initialise, trying to move it down/right, but it won't go any further, after a certain point a beep sound indicates there is no more down/rightward adjustment.

Any ideas?  I haven't touched the limiter screws because it seems too odd for the limiter screws to be soooo far off when it's just out of the box, new.  However, I have also noted that the top limiter screw isn't set because I can shift right off the top of the cassette.

Note that it does shift from gear 3 upwards, that's all working well, it knows that cog 3 is gear 3, but still won't go down to cog 2 or 1.

Without adjusting limiter screws, and this would be a big adjustment, I'm stuck and looking for help/ideas please.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 13, 2024, 01:59:54 PM »
That's cool! does it require xd though, i mean will it explode if you run it with a generic AE 11-50 12-sp?

No, you can use it with HG hub bodies, my friend has just fit it with a SRAM 12 speed HG cassette.  The benefit of going XD hubs is that you can run a smaller sprocket (10t) to get wider gearing.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: November 05, 2024, 12:34:29 PM »
I was in the same position but on Taobao.  I went with the aluminium levers which were part of the package.  When I looked into it the difference was something tiny like 20g total..... although 'carbon levers' does sound good.  I got mine for exactly the same price, lets hope it works out OK.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: October 29, 2024, 10:06:34 PM »
I heard from one of shop reselling this groupset that there will be a price drop this November. Hopefully this will be around 400~ range to make it really competitive with shi/sram

Since my last post, with help from a Chinese work colleague, we found the groupset components on Tmall but at a slightly lower price..... and the first 11 days of november are the 11.11 annual sales, so I'll be watching for discounts.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: October 26, 2024, 12:48:10 PM »
 
roughly $700 for this group with sketchy warranty vs another..........

Interestingly here in OZ you can get a SRAM mullet upgrade kit (Force shifters, Eagle derailleur and Force brakes) for the same price as the Wheeltop.  Yes the Sram requires XD hub and Cassette to get the 10-52t.  However, it enables a bigger spread of gearing, bought locally with Sram quality and support.

Makes for a tough choice.

Someone mentioned the wheeltop ability to tune individual gears/sprockets.  I see the benefit of this, but I can imagine that once you start you never stop tinkering until it drives you made, whereas the Sram should 'just work' out of the box.

I'm interested in the Wheeltop, very interested, but I would have expected 33% cheaper than Sram electronic.  I have an Xcadey power meter and top end Chinese wheels, both are great, the companies are great, but when things go wrong it still takes 2-4 weeks to xchange info and actually get any new parts from the time I raise an issue..... not necessarily the fault of the company but the geographical and communication logistics. I'm not complaining here because the products were somewhat cheaper than local mainstream alternatives...... and this is without talking about going into a local bike shop for help, and the look they will give you when they realise you have an unknown groupset for which nobody has been trained or carries parts.

All food for thought, I was super excited for the Wheeltop groupset, but the price has put a damper on that excitement.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: October 25, 2024, 10:51:22 PM »
I contacted Wheeltop with a couple of questions that may (or may not) be of interest:

  • I asked why the groupset maxed out at 51t and not 52t which is more common.  They stated that with most frames a 52t cassette works, but they've found some where it doesn't work well, so they made the specs 'max 51t' to be safe
  • I asked if the GeX or TX shifters were compatible with the OX mtb groupset for a mullet setup, but they said 'no, they are not compatible'.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: October 21, 2024, 03:10:00 AM »
I certainly wouldn't be making a decision based on reviews on their website.  The video review was interesting but just a first ride, and many social media influencers will give anything a good review as opposed to an honest review.  I think Wheeltop has given a number of groupsets free to online reviewers, eg. Ribble Valley Cyclist's 2nd GeX Vid . Not saying the reviews are honest.

Time will tell, more real reviews, durability feedback, etc.  Also, when things do go wrong, how good is the support.  Everything might be wonderful until it's not ;)

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: October 19, 2024, 04:48:02 PM »

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: September 26, 2024, 04:04:30 PM »
Interesting that this is max 51t cassette, whereas the mtb version is 52t.

Looking forward to reviews and pricing.  I've seen Sram mullet mini groupsets for $750... however this Wheeltop would allow the keeping and using of 11sp cassettes, chains and freehub bodies, which is additional cost saving initially, but with options to uprade to more gears later.

Update, Wheeltop website is around $675, so not a big difference from Sram..... Sram comes with the comfort of local support (I'm in the process of replacing an chinese power meter crank on warranty, local support would've been easier and quicker, even though the manufacturer was very helpful)

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Another consideration with flare is the angle of your shifters.  I went with super flared Ritchey Beacons, but the flare meant that my shifters were angled inwards to an extent that I didn't like it.  Rode them for a while but couldn't get used to it, so I went back to 12 degree flare.

I'd like to find bars where the 'flaring' occurs further down, so the shifters stay in a normal vertical position, but the drops are flared. However, it's difficult to tell if this is the case from just looking at pictures online.

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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Wheeltop EDS GeX
« on: September 12, 2024, 06:03:27 AM »
Found this on Taobao, looks very similar to the GeX in the video https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?abbucket=16&id=821778355114

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