^^Alibabba is sketchy, all those protections they plaster over their site are BS. I posted earlier in the thread that I went thru a similar ordeal. The seller knowingly sent me a broken frame, and not only that it wasn't even the effin frame I ordered! They still sent it, hoping to stick me with the fees and cost. I lol'd at them as Chase laid the hammer down on them.

Quote from: Jerryno on August 16, 2018, 07:50:28 AM

Quote from: mixlax on August 16, 2018, 03:12:37 AM
Maybe a lesson for others would be to just wait on their frame to avoid ending up in the mess you are in?

Am I reading what am I reading? Somebody pinch me, help..

He probably works for Hongfu. That or he felt compelled just to join and post that?   

Man, these Hongfu fools are incredible. Talk about a fraudulent charge in progress lol.

Your kid is 4'8 so she will fit this frame w/o issue. My kid switched to a larger frame around 5'2 iirc. He went thru a couple NICA seasons with it. And as far as Trailcraft, you can easily beat them at the game with this frame. Here is my sons retired FM001 which weighed 22.5lbs with dropper.



When he outgrew that we went FS with a FM076.

Quote from: samroy92 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
Latest correspondence:

7/25/18 (Hongfu): how  are you recently? Is there, only if you cancel the dispute and click to agree to negotiate, I will refund the money I paid before
7/27/18 (Alibaba.com): This email is sent to you regarding your Trade Assurance order 92269996205205. We contacted the seller and they agreed to refund you 710USD to cancel the order, because they had already prepared the goods as per your request in the contract. They will upload product picture in the dispute detail page.

Please kindly reflect the mutual agreement on the refund amount within 2 days.

However I haven't replied to anything because I am assuming my credit card is taking care of it. I might reply to Alibaba.com and just double down on my demand for a full refund. I paid $880 for the order, they are asking for $170 USD back for their processing and production costs. I am guessing thats probably the entire materials cost - these guys SUCK.

Lmao, they want 170 just for their time. They are acting like ordering a frame is similar to commissioning artwork, ridiculous. This is partly why I am souring from Chiner frames.

^^Nice. You are probably all set now. There's nothing the vendor can say to get your money now unless they can prove you have in your possession said frame.

Quote from: samroy92 on July 21, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Latest email correspondence:

7/20 (Hongfu): Can you revoke the evidence against us? So we will return the money to you.
7/20 (Me): Robert, no problem I will revoke the evidence - but can you credit the money back first? Upon receipt I will cancel the refund request - does that sounds good?
7/20 (Hongfu): You cancel it first, then return it to you.

What should I do?? Help.

Did you pay with a credit card? If yes, call them up and let them know what happened.

I have a bad experience at Shenzen First too on alibabba. Ordered a 26er small for my kid and they sent a 27.5 medium. Not only that the frame was jacked up. I noticed right away when they sent pics at my request to see said frame before it shipped. I didn't believe them and for good reason. I noticed immediately that the frame was jacked up, broken rocker and a dent on the headtube. The jackasses sent the broken frame anyways. They then ignored my emails playing stupid. I called up Chase and they took care of it. Then Shenzen had the audacity to ask for the broken frame back. I laughed at them as I threw it in the trash.

Carbomania
Tideace
BXT

Tideace has options for paint which is a plus. Carbo has two sizes 14in XS and 16in S. The Tideace weight is not accurate btw, as frame weight is around 1100 grams as measured by myself and other owners.

There's a big thread on mtbr in the family forum about the Tideace.

My kid uses this frame from Shenzen though and have no problems with Shimano namely slx/xt 2 pots calipers. His frame is even smaller as its a 26er in 15.5in size.

Quote from: samroy92 on June 22, 2018, 11:07:17 AM

Quote from: thesmokingman on June 19, 2018, 01:04:14 AM
Foam sleeve... there is an actual bike product, norattles and another but I cannot remember the name.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00K85ASYA/?coliid=I1QUYQ9S8X7AWY&colid=3511P7RWFNKOU&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Is it easy to perform maintenance and replace cables after inserting the foam into the tube?

What maintenance are you going to do on it besides replacing housing? In either case it will be as difficult or easy as it was getting the sleeve in there in the first place.

Foam sleeve... there is an actual bike product, norattles and another but I cannot remember the name.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00K85ASYA/?coliid=I1QUYQ9S8X7AWY&colid=3511P7RWFNKOU&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Quote from: chetosmachine on June 10, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
I got a quote of USD 590 for the P9, plus 130 for EMS and 305 for the Rock Shox superDeluxe rc3 from Ican.

You sure about that? They list the P8 at $700, then add shipping. The P9 should be more expensive.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/650B-Carbon-Full-Suspension-Trail-Bike-Frame-Boost-148mm-120mm-Frame-Travel/132655744918?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52475%26meid%3Dc41931f269c74501844473301a5012aa%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D142826783874%26itm%3D132655744918&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

^^Cool story. I might order their 29er, not sure though as I was hoping to stay 27.5 since I have a decent supply of 27.5 rims/wheels.

Quote from: chetosmachine on June 09, 2018, 09:11:26 AM
Sorry I was mistaken, I got the same quotation. Other sellers have same paypal fee.
I got a quote for an Ican P9 and the EMS is 130usd.... when it used to be 65. They say EMS increased their cost.
If they had this M8 in 19" I would be really tempted to go for it against the Ican, but right now, NO 19" in production.

I noticed Ican is sort pricing themselves higher and higher. Their P8 is at 800 bucks. It's starting to get close to closeout namebrand frames like Intense'''s Spider which is readily available for $1200. On the flip side I just got a BXT SL1 for 240 shipped. And the SL1 is a great cheap as heck road frame and it weighed only 950g.

I was quoted 699, plus 80 ems shipping, and they want PP fees of 4.2%. WTF? Also, they only have 29er in 17.5 available.

Quote from: samroy92 on June 07, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Dang that looks nice. I wish more chiner manufacturers would post those more advanced calculations about shock travel and stuff.

Yea, the shape is great but the real beauty imo is the the weight, oh the weight! The travel and geo is right there with current gen bikes, so all is good. I just hope the price is right.