Hi. Nice looking frameset. Seems identical to the latest Orbea Oiz, even the geometry is the same.

To what frame size does that 1640gr belong to? Excluding shock, I assume.

Enjoy your custom build!

Hello fellow FM936 enthusiasts,

I've been trying to place a frame order at Adam from Carbonda for weeks now, but no response back since our earlier contact. Are there more people who experience that communication with Carbonda is slow and difficult? Or am I just impatient?

Quote from: Denis on January 02, 2020, 07:58:47 AM

Quote from: Jerry on January 02, 2020, 06:50:33 AM

Quote from: Denis on January 02, 2020, 05:55:40 AM
Jerry, whats your height ?

198 cm tall. However, due to an injury sensitive back and neck, I like sitting a little more upright and not to stretched out (whereby my arms and wrists endure a lot of body pressure at riding).

With such tall height I would not even think about L size. Only XL, some short stem and hi rise handlebar if you want more upright.

I appreciate and feel your instand choice for a size XL at a body height longer than 195 cm. I also like to take a somewhat different vision at it (based on the M7007 that I have already trusted).

Not too long ago, a reach of + 500 mm was unthinkable for an XC / light trail bike. And if they already existed, they were marked as a size XXL or even XXXL. Don't get me wrong, I am very enthusiastic about the 'longer, lower, slacker'-approach of modern frame manufacturers. Therefor my choice for the M7007 at the time.
However, in view of the rapid development in this geometry area, I wonder at the same time: is there such a thing as a frame that is too long for its rider? Perhaps in particular in the XC / light trail discipline.

Purely by feeling, I tend to choose a size L. But as I said before, I doubt about the rather short seat tube or only 490 mm.

Anyways, perhaps it is wise to also contact NS Bikes with the question of which frame size they recommend for someone taller than 195 cm.

Quote from: Denis on January 02, 2020, 05:55:40 AM
Jerry, whats your height ?

198 cm tall. However, due to an injury sensitive back and neck, I like sitting a little more upright and not to stretched out (whereby my arms and wrists endure a lot of body pressure at riding).

Thank you for the feedback. All very helpful.

@Medico: the PM M7007 frame is already quite on par with the 'longer, lower, slacker' trend. I ride it in size XL with a 120mm fork and 50mm stem, and in that configuration the M7007 then has an HTA of 68 degrees and a reach of approximately 480mm. That is slacker and (much) longer than most XC bikes of today.

The Carbonda FM936 / NS Synonymous with 120mm fork has a reach or 491mm in size L and 511mm in size XL. As mentioned, I am sitting already quite stretched but nicely balanced on my XL M7007. So based on that, a size L of the Carbonza FM936 would be the better choice for me over the - another 20mm longer - size XL.
However, the seat tube of the XL M7007 has a (sufficient) length of 520 mm, but that of the FM936 in size L is only 490 mm.

In short, I am faced with a dilemma: do I go for a size L because of the familiar M7007 frame length, but perhaps too short a seat tube (for a dropper post and sufficient saddle high). Or will I go for a even more stretched out body position on an FM936 in size XL, but with a slightly longer seat tube (and even longer wheelbase, which probably has a negative effect on tight, curvy single tracks in the Benelux where I usually drive)?

Greetings!

Hello,

First: happy new riding year!

Second: after building already many custom bikes, I think it would be nice to do my next building project around a frame that is unknown to me. My eye fell on the promising Carbonda FM936 frame, partly due to the 'radical' geometry.

But before I proceed to purchase, I would love to hear some specific feedback from the bikers who are already familiar with this frame:

1. Does anyone know if there is a partnership between the Carbonda FM936 and the NS Bikes Synonym, as well as the Stevens Jura 2020 (which emerged as the first OEM brand with this frame, but after which, strangely enough, nothing was heard anymore) or is the FM936 actually a 'counterfeit' or those OEM frames?

a.The Jura and FM936 look really 100% identical. The Synonym has the same front triangle, but a different (and in my eyes much nicer) design rear triangle, in particular the part around the rear axle.

2. I currently ride a bike around a Pro-Mance M7007 in size XL. This frame has already a fairly long reach of 488mm, which means I am already quite stretched out. I therefore doubt between a size L and XL for the Carbonda FM936 frame.

a. Size XL seems to long for me, but I have no experience with the real-live effect of a steep seat angle of more than 74 degrees.
b. Size L seems - in theory - to fit me better. On the other hand, I am somewhat concerned about the short seat tube of only 490mm and the installation of a dropper post. I have pretty long legs, namely. Can anyone advise on this?

3. Is the rocket linkage of the Carbonda made from carbon or aluminum (as with the NS Synonym)?

4. What is your critical opinion about the build and above all finish quality of the FM936? Many or few rough edges? Sturdy hardware? Hardware that fits neatly on the frame?

5. I only see black FM936 frames on the web. Has someone had his FM936 color painted via Carbonda, and if so, what is the quality of the paint job?

6. Can someone tell me the actual weight of the FM936 Normal in size L and XL?

Many thanks!

Thank you for the feedback.

Something in me says to follow the advice of sclycle2 and not to start with it. The other half is just as curious as mixlax. 

I have a technical question:

Does it cause problems or will te riding quality/behavior (seriously) influenced when you mount a 185x55 size shock on a fully frame that is actually intended for a 190x45 shock? The difference is only 5 mm after all (in the natural suspension direction). 

If yes and 5mm is too big a difference, can this difference be reduced through so-called offset bushings? Theoretically, the difference between eye-to-eye of the shock can be reduced to just 1 mm with this bushings, namely. Or do I see all of this wrong?

Hopefully, some of you know the redeeming answer. Thanks in advance.

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Quote from: sissypants on April 05, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
Emu, I'm not sure. I haven't been sent the final specifications.

Jerry, were you able to visit their booth at the Taipei Cycle Show? Did you have any reason to believe that the Orbea Oiz geometry wasn't going to be modified?  It's really too bad if all this is is a big cloning game.

Well money talks. Maybe a large Spanish customer wanted an alternative to the Spanish oiz?

No, I was not present at the Taipei Cycle Show recently to see the new PM frame in the flesh. I just saw a picture of it, and the design and geometry is very Orbea Oiz. More to come soon, I was told. Time will tell if this 'Oiz copy' will be the final frame ...

Hello,

I have heard that Pro-Mance is working on a brand new XC / semi-trail frame. The first prototype was recently shown at the Taipei Bike Show and will now be further developed for series production. A launch date is not yet known.

I have already seen a photo of the frame design, as well as the geometry. In short: the new PM frame looks extremely similar to the Orbea Oiz 2019. The geometry is also 95% identical to that of the Spanish brand. Customers will be able to choose from two shock sizes: 190x40 (which gives 100mm travel) and 190x45 (which gives 120mm travel). Again, the same as the 2019 Oiz.

Hope to hear more soon, but this new frame already looks promising.

Quote from: numberzero on November 15, 2018, 01:07:04 AM
You have two very different frames in suspension design.

Promance is like spark/scalpel... with a single pivot design and flex in the rear triangle. More sporty feeling i think.

Workswell is a 4 bar linkage, like the old specialized epic for instance. This design is supposed to be more responsive on small bumps but also more on pedal bob.

I agree with this theory.

The PM M7007 is very close to the geometry of the 2018 Scott Spark (and Orbea Oiz 2019, Intense Sniper XC and more of the latest XC bikes). Never ridden one of these mentioned cross country bikes, but I have ridden the Specialized Epic and the M7007 feels equally sharp, fast and agile. Maybe even more because of the lower total weight (when you compare sizes).

Pedal bob at the PM - with the rear shock in open mode - is hardly noticeable. However, there I a noticeable amount of pedal bob present in full lock mode of the shock. Unfortunately or normal with a single pivot design? I do not know, but I don't use full lock anyway. A 4 bar linkage responds better to small bumps in any case, I think.

Quote from: adroitrider on November 14, 2018, 12:40:08 PM
Thanks for your input, Jerry.

I wasn't aware the Pro-mance 7007 II in T800 was being shipped in XL, but you were able to get a hold of one so that gives me promise. 

How tall are you?

I have always owned XC bikes but have fallen off the racing scene. I spend more time attacking the technical sections of my local trails in search of a new PR on the segment, or just a bigger gap from my riding buddies before we regroup before the next section of rough.

I am 198 centimeters (or 6.5 feet) tall and ride with a 70mm (horizontal) stem and the saddle almost maximum to the front. This setup feels already very roomy for me, without the extreme racy position of most UCI riders.

I want to try a 40mm voice though and see what this does with my saddle and body position. However, I am a bit hesitant about this setup, because I expect to sit much more above the rear wheel/rear triangle and less in the middle of the PM M7007 frame/above the bottom bracket. But who know... the best way is always to try it yourself.

Hey adroitrider,

I have had the same dilemma, but solve this (sort of) by mounting a 120mm fork on my Pro-Mance M7007 which gave the bike a head angle of 68 degrees, just like the Workswell 145 with 100mm fork.
Besides, this is the first time I hear from the WW 145, so I do not have real experience with that frame. Looks nice tough but not as modern as the PM imo 

A second note about the WW 145. A 100mm fork at a head angle of 68 degrees and a seat angle of 73.8 degrees; little strange combination if you ask me. However, I am not an expert and a 120/130mm fork on the 145 give you a even mote trail friendly head angle of 67 degrees

And why do you actually compare a WW 145 in size XL with a PM M7007 in size L? The M7007 in size XL has a much larger reach and stack and also a more 'climb friendly' seat angle of 75 degrees. I'm ride the XL and am 198 cm. 

Succes with your final choice!

I ride a Pro-Mance M7007 and this 29er frame can also handle up to 27.5x3.0 according to the manufacturer. Do not know if that 'plus' is enough for you Never tried it myself.

http://www.pro-mance.com/product-390-504-46557.html

Bolt issue? I had no issues at all at my build. Lucky me then...