Thank you for the update.  It's a nice looking bike.  It's unfortunate you had to go through the ordeal with your shock, but hopefully your efforts will save someone else the headache in the future. 

Quote from: chetosmachine on May 18, 2020, 08:07:32 AM
Now, should be DVO be the new god, who would be Suntour that is actually manufacturing them?
Suntour has excellent forks, but not a big name.

Suntour is an American heartland pay-to-pray Megachurch where simpletons are charged admission to worship their own stupidity.  However, for a select few, if you can afford it, they have back room full of high-stakes poker tables and vending machines stuffed with nubile virgins. 

I had a Suntour XCM air fork on my 2017 Raleigh Tokul 3 and it was a great fork.  Suntour makes a lot of forks, and most of them are low-cost trash, but their higher end stuff seems to be pretty alright.  The baffling thing to me is their naming convention.  XCT, XCR, XCM, what do those things even mean?  Nobody knows.  Some XCMs are air.  Some are coil.  They're all called XCM.  Whoever is in charge of their marketing is either a complete fool or has a brain bigger than the universe and is playing some sort of game so subtle and ingenious we don't even realize we've already lost. 

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I'm tempted to spring for a new Pike or Lyric Ultimate but $1k on a fork...

I'm trying to sell a Pike right now for $250 and not getting any bites.  It's like the Universe has gone mad and I am the only sane person left.

Just like you, I worship, naked and shivering, at the altar of Fox and Rockshox at the high places. I even sacrificed a newborn lamb in the name of the new god, DVO. But I've got a hankering for some heresy-by-deed, so I'm wondering if any of you all have any insight on suspension forks worth buying from Chinertown. Almost all the offerings I've seen appear to be 100mm and 120mm, and that's just not enough mm!

Quote from: mtbluvr68 on March 17, 2020, 06:10:25 PM
Nicely Done DIRT ,  don't listen to the rest of these guys most of whom were waiting on someone to do this for them....

Thanks, toots!  I'll leave the money on the nightstand.

Quote from: Eddy-haideli on March 11, 2020, 12:53:00 AM
@Dirt

Which size you would be need?

17.5 in custom paint if that option is available.

I am very interested in this frame and might buy one. 

Quote from: emu26 on March 10, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
Dirt, I reckon if you put as much effort into your first post as you did your reply then you might have got a very different first response.

UglyBirdFromAPrisonColony26, I reckon if you didn't look like a dingo with a prolapsed anus glued to its face you wouldn't have been asked to leave Bunnings.

Laffs aside, the first post took about a week of clicking through an endless pile of identical looking frames and cataloging unique entries.  It was not meant to be complete, just a starting point, much like primary school wasn't meant to be the capstone of your education. 

Quote from: GuitsBoy on March 10, 2020, 08:33:25 AM

Quote from: emu26 on March 10, 2020, 01:49:41 AM
I have been looking for that for quite some time but it just seems to be missing from the market.

I waiting on delivery of a TanTan FM10, the newest revision of the FM08.

I'm also eyeing the FM10 and the Hightower clone.  Please keep us updated on the FM10  .

TL;DR: I'm not a shill.  I'm here to help.  I love you all.  Or, for the less literate, more mathematically inclined: me = friend

Hey, all! It looks like you're all enjoying this list, but maybe have a few questions, so I thought I would take some time to answer both barrels of  fan mail.

Our first questions comes from sclyde2, sclyde1's younger, less popular, more easily startled, half-brother:

Q: "Why have you done this to me?"
A: Well, sir, I like to think of this list as something that has been done for you, not to you. Any incursion into your apparently massive personal space has been inadvertent. The "why" is rather simple; someone went to the trouble of making a list of hardtail frames, and that post went and got itself an agent, a publicist, a line of collectable action figures, and eventually, stickied. I thought, perhaps foolishly, that a similar list of full suspension frames would be useful to people.

Q: "Are you a slut-filled sock puppet for the Taiwanese carbon mafia?"
A:  That's a big negative, buddy.  My nationality is the United States.  I don't get paid to post on the Internet, or for anything.  I live and work near the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Los Angeles, where I am a volunteer slash trespasser.  In my spare time I play bass in a spoon band. We're called Ain't Got No Tine for This. You may have heard some of our hits: (I wanna) Put My Soup in You, Slurp it Up, or All Innuendo Aside Let's Have Sex (in your mouth). When I'm not volunteering, trespassing,  or slappin' spoons, I make posts in online mountain biking forums.

Q: "While sifting through the incomprehensible mess of data from the emerging factory-to-consumer bicycle market you overlooked some, what I consider to be obvious, models.  Do you apologize?"
A: No, no apology intended, m'lord.  In fact, I had anticipated this very scenario and thusly diagrammed and constructed a series of action plans to address the dilemma.  The first 30 of these plans were all variations on a theme of farting into mostly empty peanut butter jars and then mailing them to dignitaries, statesmen, and Mayor McCheeses of online mountain biking communities, but in a movie-like moment of inspiration, the kind that spirits the protagonist from the first act to the second act on a wave of fist pumps, I decided I would just edit the original post to include any info I missed on the first pass.  It was beautiful in its simplicity, but left me wondering what I'm going to do with all these peanut butter jars.

Q: "Can we talk more about the beautiful and luxurious FM936, with its many available sizes and options if I provide an affiliate link and a reminder that if you use the promo code #SelfRighteousIndignance you'll receive a ten percent discount on your first purchase?"
A: Looks like the sock puppet is on the other hand, your lordship.  How does it smell?

Q:" I want there to be more companies selling carbon bike frames, and I want their names on your so-called list last week. Do you apologize? "
A: Again, no apology has been intended. The carbon frame listings on AliExpress.com are dominated by a few vendors who flood the database with hundreds if not thousands of duplicate listings for the same SKUs. Should they be ashamed of themselves, bed wetters that they are? Yes. Should they be given a good scolding, a nicotine stained finger wagged in their face, and sent to bed without supper? Yes. Should their listings be trimmed to more accurately reflect the products they offer and make the site more usable for consumers? Again, yes, but neither I nor my so-called list are responsible for making those things happen. Furthermore, how many companies are actually making carbon bike frames?  My hunch is that the number is around 10, possibly fewer .  It's possible that if the list doesn't die before it learns to walk it might learn more about the carbon bike market and include more vendors. It's still very young at the moment, but it's been smoking a lot more than you'd expect,  it's been spiking it's milk with rocket fuel, and yesterday it came home with a tattoo that says "Live fast! Die young! Kill kill kill!" and there's a picture of a dragon holding a schematic for a doomsday device.

Q(implied): "Do you have any idea who my dad is?  You think I won't get you banned permanently if you tick me off?  I've eaten better men than you before breakfast."
A1: I'll be honest with you, sclyde2, this Q&A has grown to be quite the wall of text, and I expect your wet-nurse stopped reading it to you pages ago, but I will go ahead and answer the question for my own amusement:
A2: That's exactly what my parents said after they found out I'd been stripped of my spelling bee crown due to doping accusations.  And I will tell you exactly what I told them: "Can't nobody tell me nothin'" which is actually just a quote from Lil Nas X's magnum opus Old Town Road, which I was listening to at that moment.  And I'm still listening to it, your highness.  I'll never stop.

I'm going to stop now, as I feel I've answered all of the questions I feel like answering for now.  Feel free to keep 'em coming, though.

I love you!

I was wading through the piles and piles of bike frames on AX and realized that there aren't actually that many models, so decided to try to compile a list of them with a few of their notable features.  Here is that list:

100mm Travel Frames

FM-06: seraph. 29, 29+, 27.5+. 100mm Travel. HA 68.5. CS 435. Reach 429.5 medium.

FS029: seraph. 100mm travel. HA 66.9. CS 443. Reach 426 medium. Boost 29.

FS-829: winowsports. Travel 100.2mm. HA 66.9. CS 438. Reach 426.4 medium. Maybe the 029 above with a different rear triangle?

030: sold by BXT, 100mm travel, HA 69.5, CS 438, Reach 432, boost or standard

FM-036: seraph. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium.

049: 100mm travel, 68.5 HA, CS 435mm, Reach 429mm (medium}

MTB-077: sold by Drizzle (BXt). 100mm travel, HA 69, CS 450, Reach 440 Medium,, max tire 29x2.3

FM-078: seraph. 100mm travel. HA 69. CS 450. Reach 440 Medium.

181 27.5: sold by Tideace. 100mm travel. 69.5 HA. CS 460. boost or standard.

FM-936: sold by Carbonda.com. 100mm travel. HA 67.  CS 438.  Reach 475 Medium.  Max tire 27.5x2.8, 29.2.35.  Boost. 


110mm Travel Frames
WL-SF28: sold by winowsports. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium. 29+ max tire 3.0.

FM038: seraph. 110mm travel. HA 68. CS 440. Reach 413 medium.

120mm Travel Frames
FS-027*: seraph. 120mm travel HA 66.9. CS 443. Reach 426 medium. Max tire 27.5x2.8 29x2.25

130mm Travel Frames
FM10: updates fm08. Seraph. 135-150mm flipchip travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440 Medium.

140mm Travel Frames


150mm Travel Frames
FS-831: winowsports. Similar to Hightower. 148mm travel. HA 65.5. CS 433. Reach 443 medium. Max tire 29x2.4.

FM10:. Seraph, updates fm08. 135-150mm flipchip travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440 Medium.

P9: sold by ICAN. 150mm travel, HA 66, CS 452, Reach(medium) 425mm, boost

MTB-087: sold by Drizzle (BXT) . 150mm travel, max tire 2.3 standard {2.35 boost}, HA 66.4, CS 457, Reach 425 medium, boost or standard

FM-356: sold by carbonda.com. HA 69. CS 457. Reach 419.5 medium.  Max tire 27.5x2.8, 29x2.3.  Boost

839: Winowsports. 150mm travel. HA 66.4. CS 457. Reach 425.4. Same as  the 087?

SP-M10: sold by spcycle. 150mm travel. HA 65.5. CS 445. Reach 440mm medium. Same as FM10 above

Incomplete Info:
FM037: Seraph.
FM08: Seraph.
FM356: Seraph. ?
S8: sold by ICAN. 110mm/100mm travel. Other info won't load.
P1: sold by ICAN, 130mm travel, boost,

*Despite the FS27 being marketed as a 120mm bike, it is effectively limited to 100mm travel since no 45mm stroke shock exists for the bike.  The shock mount provisions are 50mm wide, which will not fit a 54mm wide trunnion, not to mention the frame would need to be drilled for 10mm bolts.  Additionally, the trunnion body would interfere with the down tube.  Unfortunately that limits us to 165 length conventional shocks, of which 38mm stroke is the most youll find. - GuitsBoy