Additionally I haven't seen this brand on here as well

http://www.kinesis.com.tw/en/product-c166784/2023.html

they seem to have a cool alloy frame the TUM616/636 as well as some others

just browsing through the interwebs and stumbled across this frame which I have not seen before

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-carbon-road-e-bike-frame_1600482237639.html



it looks to be very similar shape to Mondraker/Lapierre but not quite the same

anyone else have information on them?