I would definately buy it if it had 10 mm more reach at the bigger sizes and 74 or 75 degree SA on the L or XL. Optionally 75 mm BB drop or even 77

For S5/Scott Foil type of frames, the STA is actually steeper than what the geometry chart shows. Refer to the comment here. https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,7516.msg117651.html#msg117651

If I am not mistaken, the iteration you talked about is planned on 2027.

I'm not sure. I asked Livia about that and she is yet to reply. Too shy to ask Allyn about it because I bought their frame via the "sample frame" lol.

Looks like the same catalog as Speeder eh.

And I cannot find the frame that is in the thread

I think they don't update their old frames. But they currently have a new frame which is R033D. You may ask them directly if they have new version of R068D

Has anyone tried if a 35c tires can fit in this frame even the description says 30c maximum?

Core strength will give you up eventually, and not all riders put 400 watts for hours to hold you ip to your position so you won’t overload your hands. Well that’s for your average fred anyway. If you constantly do 400+ watts then slam that saddle forward. Else, try to find a nice balance between holding your position up for hours without compromising the front end of your body which is the arms. As I’ve said, I also had my saddle far forward as possible. It feels great for the first few hours then eventually, my body hurts all over. My fitter then found a nice balance with my fore-aft and it did wonders a lot. Not saying my saddle is in between or all the way back, it is still in front with 0 offset seatpost, just not slammed all the way forward. The actual danger of getting your saddle way forward is the control on the descents. I am still putting my ass back of the saddle when there’s a 90 degree descent because fuck going on front of your saddle on that, I ain’t doing that even in a race lol.

What I am trying to say is, find a nice balance on your fore-aft. It may work for you or the other riders, but it ain’t for everyone. If your zone 2 is a nice 280 watts then I think you’ll benefit on slammed forward saddle. Else, a nice balance would be much better.


And you provided an example that was already banned by UCI. I remember that there was so many freds in my country who did that and they ended up crashing. Also saw a lot of accident vids because they try to ride like Froome. As Colby said, don’t copy the pros position, we ain’t pro.

I actually copped a knee injury from saddle too far forward (plus maybe too low) and I still say "very dangerous" is kinesophobic Hoggwash. It's not felling timber or BASE jumping, you know?

He used to bang on about taint pressure with forward fits, which I think was probably a legitimate concern in the original Selle Italia Flite days but significantly mitigated by ISMs and so forth.

I said very dangerous because it affects handling as the weight is shifted at the front of CoG of the bike, which in turn make the bike more sketchy to handle in descents or in a group ride. It also messes up with your body's biomechanics. We had a discussion with a Steve Hogg approved fitter that the reason why there's a lot of crashes lately is because of the saddle far too forward. There's now a UCI ruling that saddle setback should not exceed below 50mm.

"It's not felling timber or BASE jumping, you know?" - Well yes, but descending in 60kph - 80kph or even 100kph+ will cause you a lot of injuries too, or worse you even die.

Pretty dated article. TT and Tri guys have their saddle way further forward. They don’t seem to have any issues. If anything, since I slammed saddle all the way forward I’ve had less discomfort than ever. Opens up the hip angle. More power, more comfort. I think more people should at least try it.

If that's outdated for you, [url = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqc2d2o0N-Y]this [/url]is a most recent discussion/podcast about saddle setback. Colby Pearce is the bike fitter for EF Education team, and he was also mentored by Steve Hogg. And as the title of the article said, it's for road bikes.

I actually tried to get my saddle as forward as possible and it just overloaded my hands and made them numb during rides. Yes, my pedaling is good but I feel that the balance is too forward that I can't ride with no hands. And i already have a 120mm handlebar length and very slammed stem. It was corrected by my fitter when he set my saddle a little bit back and I have the most comfortable position I had- cores are getting engaged and few to no pressure on hands when putting down some zone 2 power. In short, a very comfortable and sustainable position on the bike- one reason why on my next aero bike, I will request a comfortable position as possible without compromising the speed.

With the topic of seat setback/fore-aft, don't just put your saddle as forward as you can as it can be very dangerous. Here's a very nice read regarding setting your saddle fore-aft position.