If they'd kept the 74.5 / 70 STA/HTA of the 470 throughout the sizes I'd have bought it.  73.5/72.5 in my size is no good for a gravel bike ... especially one clearly designed for the rougher stuff with a pivot and flex stays.

I was thinking the same exact thing, such a bummer. Its interesting how some frame designs have the HTA steepen in the larger sizes.

Thanks.  Hadn't realized it was Speeder.  Shame they do a fork like that and no similarly progressive geo frames to match it to ...

Hopefully that happens in the near future. It seems like slacker gravel frames are just starting to get popular by the big brands, so hopefully some of these chinese manufacturers can follow suit next year.

I have a Carbonda 696 size 56 I've been using for the last 3 years. It has served me well and is a good bike, but for a lot of the gravel I riding here in SoCal I definitely want something longer and slacker. I really like the geometry of the new Santa Cruz Stigmata, but it is kind of a rarity with only a few others sharing a similar design. Does anyone know of a chinese frame that is 69-70 degrees headtube angle and 1060-1090mm wheelbase in a size large? Ive looked at all the usual suspects and they are all kind of the same old gravel geometry.

The new Lightcarbon LCG073-D with rear suspension sounds very interesting, but seems unproven at this point.