Enter, looking forward to building and reviewing this frame

What do you think of the speeder SC-48D?
Same frame as the winspace SLC I think.
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R48D-_p346.html

To the owners of the the SC-R52D, how would you rate the frame now that you have more mileage on it?
How is the stiffness, ride characteristics etc.?

Farsports/wheelsfar also have a 'gravel wheels that meets your requirements I think: https://www.wheelsfar.com/gravel-c0374

Quote from: Frank on January 18, 2024, 05:41:23 AM
I made some TanTan decals. An EPS-file ready for plotting is attached in case anyone wants to have them too.

What size is your bike and how high is the saddle if I may ask?

Quote from: hubertus on December 11, 2023, 05:59:38 AM
Continental GP5000 28mm. It rides like a dream. A lot more comfort compared to my other 25mm.

How would you rate the stiffness and comfort of the frame?
Do you think 30 mm tires would fit?

Quote from: patliean1 on January 25, 2024, 10:30:22 AM
If I may ask you...what is it you are really looking to know in regards to both of these frames?

We are all here to help. Questions like these make me believe there is some transparency missing or underlying motive.

I am going to briefly outline my situation, in the hope that this will make my needs clearer.
I started cycling approx 2 years ago, using a 10 year old, rim brake bicycle with a basic aluminium wheelset.
The bicycle is a chinese endurance frame, imported and branded (and overpriced) by a local bikeshop, but it's soft as a noodle in the bottom bracket and headtube (while also not being to comfy either, due to the small tire clearance and 31.4mm seatpost).
(I've compared it with an S-Works SL7 of a riding buddy, night and day difference).

Now I want to upgrade in terms of frame and wheelset, but because my budget is limited to approx 2k euro, I am looking to a chinese frame and second hand compontents (I also like the mechanics of a bicycle, so building it myself is something I will enjoy).

In terms of the type of bike rides I plan with the bike, I do criteriums (flat), longer bike rides in Belgium (cobbled classic roads and occasionally the ardennes) and 1-2 times a year in the alps.
So I want a bike that is sufficiently aero, not too heavy (<8kg), sufficiently stiff where it needs to be stiff (unlike my current bike), and ideally also sufficiently comfortable (my list is getting long, and I know there will always be compromises, especially on this budget. I don't expect S-Works SL7 performance either, but want to get as close to it as possible).

In terms of possible frames for my purposes, my eye fell on the VB 218 & the Yishun 1058, but if you guys know of other frames that would be suitable for me, suggestions are always welcome  .
Given that the VB 218 is a 250 euros cheaper than the Yishun (and that I can choose it in a colour of my liking without a big extra cost, not entirely necessary though), this one is my preference (+ slightly larger tyre clearance for the VB-268, so possibility for wider tyres on the cobbles.)
However, now I ride with 25mm tyres, so 30mm might be an improvement too). But if there is quality difference in the desired features of the frame (sufficient stiffness, aero), I'd rather pay 250 euros more than regret my purchase.

@Patrick, I already watched several videos of yours and saw that you have had several VeloBuild models - 168, 177, CX-002 (which you rated higher in terms of build quality than the 168?) - and you also ride a Yishun now. How do you rate the different bike brands?
With the VB 268 being a newer (and hopefully better) version of the 168, I had hoped that most of this bike's downsides had already disappeared, but as long as there are no reviews of it, this is obviously guessing;

Seems to be going towards the Yishun here.
Does anyone know if there is a discernable difference regarding the carbon layup/fiber quality/structural quality of the frame (so not the finish)?

Quote from: PLA on January 25, 2024, 09:13:31 AM
Measurements are frame stack, not stem stack (some brands list one or the other without saying which and some list bofh). You'll need to factor in the headset cover and the cable guide that goes on top of that.

It is about 3cm in total. Can measure mine later on.

Thank you for the information, measurement of the minimum difference between frame and stack stem would be appreciated

Does anyone know if the stack of the Yishun R1058 is measured including or excluding the upper headset cover?
The spacer seems to be approx 1cm in height, so this influences stack quite a bit.

Quote from: cramy on January 25, 2024, 06:08:16 AM
what is the price you are getting for the Yishun R1058-D ?

€941, included shipping from Germany with all taxes paid.
With velobuild this would be €689,27, including custom paint (otherwise approx -€80)

Thanks for the feedback, it'll probably be the Yishun then.
Does anyone know if there is a difference in the stiffness of the frame?

Hi all,

I'm looking to build an 'all round' road bike on a budget, combination of aero/lightweight and the necessary stiffness.
In order to save costs, i was planning to use a secondhand ultegra R8020 disc groupset (can be found for approx 300 euro because people upgrade to 12 speed).

In terms of frames, I hesitate between the Yishun R1058-D and the Velobuild VB-R-268 in size 58.
What would be the best frame for this, would there be a difference be between mechanical cable routing between these frames?

Is there a discernable quality difference between the frames? The Yishun R1058-D is a bit more expensive of the two and cannot be painted by them, while Velobuild offers this for 90 USD.
The velobuild doesn't seem to have any reviews because it's newer, so this has more risk i guess?

Many thanks ofr the information