this aero nonsense is a joke.

You have to be about 20mph to see gains in aero on gravel. when mvdp won the gravel worlds i was 22mph in that race. 

so it is pretty safe to say none of us aero will matter one bit ever.

 so back to your bickering

 No more of a joke thinking 200g saving on a frameset is going to give them any performance gains, It's all about bragging rights. To me the "aero" thing is more about the looks anyway - to a point. My aero bikes (even the XM one I have) are definitly faster then my old race bike from the 2000s. I was MUCH stronger and lighter back then and continue to get faster average speeds on the same segments that I have been riding for 30+ years.

It has over axle press adaptors, right?

 Doesn't look like it  plus it's showing $100 delivery charge on my end. Seen lots of blind bearing pullers on Ali for half this price - not as nice looking or as nice of a case though.

Hey everyone,

I’m in the planning stages of building up a Pinarello-style road bike and have been going deep down the research rabbit hole over the last few months. I’ve spoken with a few different sellers of replica frames, including Yoho, who I was referred to by someone else in the cycling space.

So far, Yoho have actually been pretty responsive, but another seller I contacted (Hellthe) completely avoided answering my questions about frame warranty and shipping protection. That was a pretty big red flag for me, so I’ve decided not to go anywhere near them.

I’ve read a lot of older threads and articles, but I figured it was time to ask directly here since this community seems super knowledgeable and helpful.

I’m very aware of the ethical and quality considerations that come with replica frames, so I’m not going into this blindly. I’m just trying to stack the odds in my favour and have the most positive (and safest) experience possible.

Has anyone here had personal experience with specific sellers or stores for replica Pinarello-style frames that they’d actually recommend? Good communication, accurate geometry, decent finish quality, and safe shipping are my main priorities.

Appreciate any insights — even things to watch out for would be hugely helpful.

Thanks legends

 I was looking into this as well but I just bought a genuine "base" model and upgraded the parts. In my case it was a Grevil and paid $2700 online with a 10% store credit. Swapped the stock wheels for my XM carbon ones and sold them for $500, swapped the GRX groupset for my SRAM XPLR and sold it for $800. I also sold many other various bits for another $300 and replaced them with quality parts from Aliex.

I basically got a genuine Pinarello Grevil frameset (with 5 year warranty) for $1100

 If you want Pinarello - buy a Pinarello. They have MANY models in frame styles that are affordable.

sponsored video, or he gets a "Special" edition frame, so don't believe everything these youtubers say

 I have another one of XM's frames and can attest to the durability. I am 100KG and have not been very gentle on it - some very rough roads and light gravel at times. Absolutely no trouble at all after ~5000 km (1 season) and rides like day 1.

That's pretty neat, I'm guessing it doesn't work on Force? Seems to be pretty explicit about Red.

Not sure why, for the D1 SRAM specs the same jockey wheels for Force and Red. I don't know about the newer derailleurs though.

Three and a half years later, the paint hasn't held up all that well. There are a number of chips, and I gave up on touching them up after a while. It appears that the issue is with the Montana Cans colors not sticking tot he primer, as the primer is solid everywhere. I may have sanded the primer too finely so the top layer didn't have much bite.

 Montana paints are not great as they are very high in solids, IMO would need to be decanted and thinned to spray properly. No finer than 600 sanding then washing with a paint prep/tack cloth and then 3-4 VERY thin coats to cover with about 5-10 flash time. More than that time and the paint must fully dry and be fine sanded again. Once completely cured apply a clear coat, cure again and apply decals. another coat of clear, sand flat and a top coat of clear. TBH only the top coat needs to be 2k if using it and the under coats can be 1k as it is a much safer product.

 I would stress that if it is a real 2k product a normal respirator is not good enough as they are VERY hazardous to a persons health. Use a 1k and ride wrap to protect the frame or if you want 2k get a shop to spray or get a fresh air breathing apparatus.

Peter's new Granturismo is about the closest as far as reach and stack.