Interestingly here in OZ you can get a SRAM mullet upgrade kit (Force shifters, Eagle derailleur and Force brakes) for the same price as the Wheeltop.  Yes the Sram requires XD hub and Cassette to get the 10-52t.  However, it enables a bigger spread of gearing, bought locally with Sram quality and support.

Makes for a tough choice.

Someone mentioned the wheeltop ability to tune individual gears/sprockets.  I see the benefit of this, but I can imagine that once you start you never stop tinkering until it drives you made, whereas the Sram should 'just work' out of the box.

I'm interested in the Wheeltop, very interested, but I would have expected 33% cheaper than Sram electronic.  I have an Xcadey power meter and top end Chinese wheels, both are great, the companies are great, but when things go wrong it still takes 2-4 weeks to xchange info and actually get any new parts from the time I raise an issue..... not necessarily the fault of the company but the geographical and communication logistics. I'm not complaining here because the products were somewhat cheaper than local mainstream alternatives...... and this is without talking about going into a local bike shop for help, and the look they will give you when they realise you have an unknown groupset for which nobody has been trained or carries parts.

All food for thought, I was super excited for the Wheeltop groupset, but the price has put a damper on that excitement.

I read your reply and couldn't believe it, but you're right! Absolute no-brainer here in Aus, I'd go SRAM any day of the week.

The reason I chose L-TWOO a while back was because of how much cheaper it was than the GRX equivalent.

Hi! Anyone have link (aliexpress / amazon) for stem which fit to YFR068? Some i see use normal rounded stem.
Second question i have order 58 size I'm 188cm, max lower seatpost i can do is 6.5 (on seatpost measure) which give me with saddle 83cm but i need 80/81 cm saddle height. I need to cut 1/2cm of seatpost or something is wrong with frame? My seatpost only lower to seatstays and thats all

Regarding stem, it's unique to this design (it's a d-shaped steerer tube), so you're very limited in what you can use. The best bet is to use what comes with the bike and make sure you get the proper length.

The seat post can (and pretty much has to) be cut. My seat post (on the 54cm) was WAY too long, but I just took a hack saw to it, rounded the edges with sandpaper and got it to be long enough to fit my battery inside, but short enough so the height was perfect.

I hope that helps!

There's a very comprehensive thread already on this topic - you'll find your answer there

http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.0.html

Will install eGR on my gravel bike soon. How do you guys waterproof your derailleurs? Ive seen some people mention liquid  electrical tape but where do I apply it? Around the cable port after the cable is plugged in?

That's what I did as a preventative measure. Get everything 100% properly installed first (make sure your batteries work, there's no draining etc), then I applied it where the cable enters the derailleur.

Yesterday received spexcel top and penis knockoff bibs (pimmer) - I can't believe how far Chinese cycling clothing has come over the years. Both are excellent, I'd say the PNS bibs are about 85% of the real deal, and good enough for training.

The Spexcel top is lovely, apart from the zip. I just wish the Chinese clothing had better zips, but apart from that, all ok!

God I hope that OSPW isn't the only option

The translation I ran on it says "The lower guide wheel adopts a hollow design, which is very technological, giving "empty benefits".

I lol'd.

I do think the groupset looks pretty damn good though!

Welp, I'm about to find out what it's like to reach out to Ltwoo. I had a bit of a crash late yesterday evening riding some proper gravel track about 10 miles or so from my house. I went over the bars and my bike went elsewhere and bent the eGR. It almost looked rideable, but then after a few strokes trying to ride it the chain sucked the derailleur into the wheel. I spent a few minutes untangling everything and managed to get it free and clear of the wheel and the cassette. After that, I really don't know how, it was shifting again and I was able to ride it home. I spent the rest of that ride home puzzling over in my head how it could still be shifting smoothly while it was obviously bent all to hell (I stuck to a few speeds in the middle of the cassette and avoided the extremes to avoid dropping my chain). It was pitch dark when I got home so all I did was hose the bike down and put it away. I haven't been able to give it a proper post-mortem and see what's salvageable and not. From what little I did see, my derailleur hanger looks straight as an arrow but the first part of the eGR that connects to my hanger looks bent badly. I didn't bother looking at the jockey wheel cage but I assume that's got some bend as well. I suspect it still shifted smoothly because the parallelogram which contains all of the shifting mechanism and geometry was still internally aligned. I'll post some pics once I have a chance to look at it and also reach out to Ltwoo and see if any of my bent parts can be obtained from them instead of scrapping the whole thing.

oh mate, the most important thing is that you're ok. Parts are replaceable.