My favourite one is HongFu FM238

http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/products/76.html

You're basically insulting the poor guy here, it's unfair. Workswell is very expensive, they claim to be top end , yet they ship oval things that should be round. You may be fine that your girlfriend only has one leg but most people would want a girlfriend with two legs. To me it's not unreasonable to ship the whole thing back on the basis of having lost trust in the seller. He's paying premium, he shouldn't get worse product and service than an AliExpress airwolf frame. His mistake was to work with workswell in the first place.

If you or someone feels insulted, it was not my intention.
What I mean is that nowadays there is a feeling of impunity. Anyone can contest everything because of this or that. And they also feel that just because store X or Y do this, all stores do the same (like providing free returns after 30 days)
I don't care about workswell or any other factory. As I mentioned already in several posts, I choose the factories/brands/services that I work with based on their my experience with their customer support. They seemed to offer a good compromise. If the user is not happy, it's not unreasonable to ask him to pay the shipping costs of what was ok. And even accepting it is already an act of good will. Unfortunately there are a lot of smartasses which try to take advantage of similar situations.

If someone asks me to do build/paint/do sth custom and because of a scratch in the paint, which can easily be repainted, he wants to return the full amount and doesn't want the product back, my business would die soon. And yes. It's not paint here. It's just about being reasonable.

The value proposition depends on many things. Even as the price gets closer, for me there's still a lot of value in building from a frameset - I often find that many things on stock bikes aren't right for me such as handlebar width, stem length, preferred saddle, crank length, cassette size, tyre width (and just tyres generally), rim depth etc. so being able to build it as I want the first time holds a lot of appeal. I can see here that OP is targeting a pretty lightweight build and it would be hard to get that kind of weight on a build for 4k.

Don't get me wrong. I get you but the OP is asking for which size he should get. So I guess the "fit" here is a bit questionable. Such as "light weight". It's a measurement. Bikes are hard to measure, i get it. It's the "only" feature you can objectively measure. Aero crap measurements are just marketing. But weight... come on... having a 7kg or 8kg has little to no difference. If we were talking about 11 or 12. There is a difference and you can definitely feel it. But it's common for human to focus on the details and forget on the bigger picture - that's the marketing effect has on us

What do you think about this 56cm size design? T47 85.5mm bottom bracket, max tire size 700*32C, UDH

Thanks for proposing sth.

As others mentioned, 32 seems a bit short. 35/38 sounds more universal.
Also I think headtube seems a bit too long and the 72.5 angle is a bit tricky.
I really like this frame from hongfu http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/products/76.html. It's a bit too expensive because it doesn't include the handlebar and is 32 only. But maybe is a good inspiration. I like that it is simple and has perfect endurance geometry (though fork shape is weird)

I have not tried it yet because at this price my clients prefer western brands (which I can understand and also end up recommending)

Is there any current existing design for reference? I would be interested to make a new frameset.

From what most of us read we look for:

Short reach (ex: canyon endurace, pinarello X)
Higher stack (ex: canyon endurace, pinarello X, etc)
27.2 seat tube
Light weight (ex: large and xl sizes with paint around 1000g mark)
Good look (aeroish). Like the speeder cycling r55/tavelo arrow
T47 bottom bracket
35mm tire
Price tag not higher than others
No copycat


I'd suggest as well have a preset of colour paintscheme. And as I mentioned in another post thst you could ship in the box groupset even if you don't provide warranty because it allows for reduction in overall shipping prices.


My last build was a velobuild r066 precisely because it ticks almost all these part. Didn't go for your grevil mostly due to pricing and because it was heavier

Since you're using wireless shifting you just need to route the 2 cables. Nothing special honestly. Just make sure that you route either first the handlebar or leave the handlebar for last.

Quite heavy the frame and some overspray there in the BB..

Hi everyone!
Joining the club.

Frame size: 58, weight: 8.6 kg without power meter and pedals, 9 kg with power meter and pedals.
Components:
•   Wheels: DT ER1400 Dicut
•   Tires: Panaracer Gravelking SS R 40 mm
•   Groupset: Mechanical SRAM Rival/Force with Garbaruk cassette, chainring and cage/pulleys
•   Brakes: TRP Spyre
•   Seatpost: Ritchey WCS Carbon Link Flexlogic
•   Handlebar: Ritchey WCS Carbon VentureMax
•   Saddle: Lunje Carbon (looking for a replacement for my beloved but heavy Brooks)
•   Stem: No-name (testing fit for now). An 80 mm was too long for me (my height is 186.5 cm); I’ll switch to a 70 mm Thomson.
By the next season, I plan to upgrade to an electric SRAM Rival and GX T-Type mullet setup and build a beefy carbon wheelset. I noticed Peter being mentioned here, so I’ll check that out.

Pros:
•   The paintwork and carbon finish are excellent (except for the seatpost, which looks so-so).
•   Storage box is cool.
•   The headset is decent.
•   Packaging was great; everything arrived perfectly.
•   Eddie is loyal and responsive.
Minor cons:
•   I don't like the seatpost clamp outwardly.
•   Axles are heavy.
•   Bolts are heavy.
•   The front derailleur mount was installed before the lacquer dried, leaving unsightly marks underneath.
•   Assembly recommendations would be helpful: what plugs go where, which holes are for which cables, etc.
Major cons:
•   The rear axle is too long.
I still don’t understand why; there are no similar reports on the forums, but my 171 mm axle doesn’t clamp the wheel—it leaves a 2 mm play.
Thanks to Eddie for quickly sending me a shorter axle with no questions asked, but the root cause remains unclear. For now, I’ve temporarily solved the issue by using a washer from another UDH hanger on the brake side, which allows the wheel to clamp properly. However, the contact point is now against the painted part of the frame, which isn’t ideal.

I transitioned from a steel Seaboard CX07, and my first impressions are as follows:
The bike is very responsive, easy to drive, but stable at the back. It is quite hard when pedaling, while riding comfortably off-road.

P.S. Magene P505 Spider fits good, there is a lot of space up to the frame

Really nice build!

This is an example of a simple, yet beautiful frame/bike