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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LEXON Road Carbon Crankset
« on: November 15, 2024, 02:28:54 PM »
Those cranks are sold with this power meter so we gonna talk about it if you like it or not

Thank you for this comment.

So far so good, have done 10 rides ISH and going for a bigger 160km round today, Onyu pass in Japan.
The cranks are holding up very well only the Powermeter was/is a bit off compared to me wahoo kickr. Like 30 watts, which is not that insignificant as I'm not enjoying Pogi's power output

I use a Saris H3 and the motor meter with me is off by 10 watts so probably it isn't too bad overall and yeah you can calibrate them easily after if you think it's not correct. I initially thought that my Saris H3 was less accurate than the power meter, but after your comment, I had to rethink my initial thought. However, I'm satisfied with it.

Too bad that those DUB crankset from Lexon didn't came with titanium axles or at least the one that I have, compared to the 24mm as they claim they are titanium...

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: November 15, 2024, 01:51:31 PM »
Alright, that's a pitty, but at least you could lose some grams at the axles department   8)

Just a small question do you use the expansion plug that came with the frame or did you also bought an aftermarket? I have the d-plug expander elementi from Deda, but I destroyed the top cap screw, almost so I'm looking if I need to buy another one or if Deda has a bolt for me for sale.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: November 15, 2024, 06:38:42 AM »
I've decided I'm going to weight weenie it, I want to get it under 7kg cuz why not. Currently 7.8kg with everything on it

What I'm currently thinking
Avian Canary- 240 grams. 100g savings, costs 190 and 40 for the adapter to Factor.
Overfast or similiar thru axles, should save me 60-80 grams. 200
Farsports 2025 evo S all rounder- should save close to 300-350, costs 1500. I think I can sell my current rovals for around 1000 bucks
Crankset- Riro crankset from Ali should save me another 100 grams
With that should be 7.1kg

Maybe lighter disc brakes, darimo post, ti bolts and a few other things if i'm feeling ambitious

Cool, same as me, most of the things you planned to do I also have on my list.
The Overfast Thru Axles however I couldn't get my head around to spend 200 bucks for a weight saving of 34 gram, not sure how you get to shave off 60 to 80 grams there. My axles that came with the frame are together 64 grams and the overfast axles are together 30 grams. The titanium axles are also around the 240 dollar price point but a little heavier (40grams). What I did was checking for myself, what I think, what is still affordable grams to price ratio. So, in the end I bought the alu axles with dropout, which reduces it with 16 gram (from 64 grams to 48 grams) but costs (50 dollars) 1/4 of the carbon or titanium axles. But it's of course much cooler, lighter and nicer to have carbon or titanium ones.

Not sure what Crankset you have now but the Riro is light indeed (388 grams), I had on my list the Cybrei carbon Crank, which weights 320 grams instead of my Lexon carbon crank which is 387 grams (weighed myself including spider and bolts). but for the price of a Cybrei to save 55 grams, for 500 dollars.. I don't know you need to be really ambitious as you said, if will will be that kind of weight weenie.

Wheelset will definitely help, I also had those farsports in mind together with the No. 5's also worth looking at, and I think to logo of No. 5 looks cool with the Factor Logo IMO, it would be awesome if you could sell your Rovals than you don't lose a lot on the costs to replace those wheels.

For the disc brakes, I have now the Carbon Raceworks, but they were with 6 bolts because I read that was lighter than a center lock, however I bought the elite drive wheels and selected the 6 bolts option but instead of getting six bolt version I got an adapter for the 6 bolts that fit the center lock. So the "light" carbon raceworks are together with the adapter not so light anymore, and if I get some Galfer road wave discs of 160 mm that weigh the same as the raceworks I can replace the adapter just for the centerlock, which saves me 45 grams.

The last thing that I want to mention as you pointed out the Darima seatpost, I bought a replacement seatpost on AliExpress (https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006226516164.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.6dc379d2tMfyz5&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld which is 89 grams lighter (claimed weight 131 grams incl bolts) than the original (weighted at 220 including bolts) and costs less than a Darima (duh because it's from AliE). Maybe worth looking at.

Saddle is every rider's preference so I won't say anything about that. I got a Ryet carbon saddle width of 135mm, but that's so personal mine weighs in at 115 grams. The previous one was 163 grams.

Most bolts that I could chance with titanium didn't save me a lot, around 17 grams.

I hope it's helpful and let us know how much weight you saved in the end. With the mentioned changes above I saved +/- 400 grams (went from 7460 grams to 7050 grams) but with other tires and wheels that's around another 400 to 500 grams.


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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: November 12, 2024, 02:54:58 PM »
Update all. I have ridden my ostro vam for a few thousand miles now. It ride extremely well and it's stiff enough. The bottom bracket doesn't creak. I have it around 7.5-6kg with not really any weight weenie stuff.  Tubes do not flex when pressed. Considering changing to a Factor authentic handlebar, but that also costs a lot more than my frame. I have nothing but good to say. I had to get them to replace the fork since there excess paint for the front caliper and was preventing it from being mounted right but I ended up just using some washers and its okay. They sent my cousin a replacement fork and it got there within 4 days of us complaining. I'm 5,11/6' and 170 pounds. I put in some 12-1300 watts when I sprint and I feel super confident on it. Insane for a sub 2500 bike. I'm using a bunch of Ali parts including 11$ disc brakes, Wuzei 211g cassette, fake CeramicSpeed OSPW, bottlecages, bartape, might try some lightweight ali crankset since the one I have is pretty heavy.

It's great to hear that you are satisfied after a few thousand miles and that you are putting some serious power down. Nice! You could keep the price under 2500, which is also impressive, especially with the weight you achieved. Do you have a picture of the finished bike?
I'm also considering exchanging the handlebar for another one; I'm just not sure which one, curious if you would go for the original one. I'll probably do a proper bike fit before I buy any other handlebar to make sure I have the right size.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: November 06, 2024, 04:40:57 AM »
Quick update on the frame after +/- 500km in, even though it's blacklisted in another forum thread, I really enjoy riding it. It's quick, stable and also responsive and with the Elite Drive D65 wheels, I would say it's even comfortable. I'm combining riding outside with riding indoors on Zwift with the bike. Putting down the power is possible and I'm getting the hang of it.

I ride most of the time solo and I do not overtake or see a lot of other people on the course that I ride, in my garage are also no people judging me on the bike (that it's fake) so still I'm quite pleased and happy with it.

Maybe I need to go to Weight Weenies but I'm looking into shave down the weight of the bike a little. I know I could have chosen different wheels instead of the 65mm and could have gone for 40 or 45mm to save weight (maybe I will at some point), but I am interested in investigating the price per gram if it's worth it, with also considering the aero aspect of it. I still want to be in the sweet spot and not and not "pissing money into the wind" as how he called it on youtube Road.cc timestamp 4:20: In the Diminishing Gains graph, where he plots performance against price
And see in Spring next year if I can get at least 500 grams off by replacing parts some parts e.g.: other discs, tires, Axles, Saddle, Bar tape, Paddle Axles, some bolts, and maybe the radar light and tools that I bring with me every ride.

With the wheels alone will I save +/- 400 gr. if I would buy No. 6: 30mm or farsports Evo S 35mm these are around 1100 grams.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LEXON Road Carbon Crankset
« on: October 29, 2024, 08:43:49 AM »
Got the powermeter now as well, no problem with mounting it, in the end 60 gram more than the spider, so I'm quite content.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: September 27, 2024, 11:02:56 AM »
[quote author=patliean1 link=topic=4449.msg66098#msg66098 date=1727451845

1. Can't remember the full name, but he bought it from a place called Taiwan Carbon...something. $1000

I would get roasted if I reviewed a fake Ostro, but call me very intrigued.

[/quote]

In a fan of your YouTube channel, I would watch it for sure! Awesome story to hear that it was a fake one and you won’t get roasted only if you buy it with factor logos. I experienced that!
He bought it at the same shop as mine. For the handlebar I have to see, I also like your review on the EXS. However I first need to ride and make km/miles. Awesome post for the weekend!

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Racework Carbon Rotors
« on: September 27, 2024, 05:08:28 AM »
Anyone here run these before? I'd save quite a bit of weight even with running centerlock adapters... Wondering about durability and performance. Thanks!

I have them on my bike but haven't tested or driven it yet. However, 1 of them was true /straight and the other one came in wobbly. I think it's maybe the packing and handling from the delivery service. Not sure if this is common but yeah if they don't work I buy others that are already proven, like the comments here. Mana, Onirii or Galfer. The Galfer will be lighter too.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: September 26, 2024, 02:53:39 PM »
No problem, I had fun composing it 8)

And yeah, the spreadsheet was to keep track of the costs and the weight, good to hear that it was helpful.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: September 26, 2024, 01:55:18 PM »
Bling! nice! which seller did you buy from? Did you take pictures of the inside of the frame? How much did you spend and what spec did you get in terms of grade of carbon? Did you weigh the frame and other bits?
The wheel logos kind of imply you're riding a fake, but you do you!

Hi Serge_K,

It was a bit of copy and past through these last few pages (from page 2 to 5 in this thread), but here are some of the answers on the questions you asked a few weeks before as well:
Which seller: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4449.msg63172.html#msg63172

I took in the beginning no pictures inside the frame afterward I did, and you compared my pictures (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4449.msg64383.html#msg64383) with the ones from Oralmaster his frame. You mentioned if you could choose one or the other you wouldn't prefer mine but the one from Oral master, you can read it here: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4449.msg64725.html#msg64725

Yes I did weight the bits from the frame, which ones you want to know, I weighted everything, from the innertube foam, to the seatpost wedge, from the speed sensor to the bolts of the bottle cage. let me know which specific part you are looking for. However my calculated weight was 7.205 kg an my scale wasn't that precise because I first measured my self and then the bike and it came at 7.3kg

How much did you spend and weight: see added picture

Grade of Carbon T1000 UD, did I answered here on page 2 to you: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4449.msg63172.html#msg63172

The wheel logos indicate that these are Drive wheels from Elite Wheels, yes it's fake. I explained it here: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4449.msg63865.html#msg63865
In the end you have people that like it and you have people that hate it. Ar26 said even:
No sympathy for the people who make fakes and who fuel this industry. As an artistic creator, I would not like someone to copy my works and make the same signature as mine and also sell them under my name. Let these people get inspired and develop their own designs, why not. Not to mention that I find it corny. What would you say if someone took your appearance and moved into your bed?

And I responded with this:
What an analogy, but I get where you are coming from. For your information I'm not selling this bike as a real one, nor do I try to sleep with someone else to take that identity. See it as a cheap kit car on a Pontiac Fiero base. If you copy a Lamborghini with a kit on the base of a Pontiac Fiero, it won't drive like a Lambo, it won't sound like a Lambo, it just looks like it.

I believe that this fake Factor also won't drive like a real Factor, I'll get Elite Drive wheels, probably the Black Inc wheels are much better, the stiffness in the frame and handlebars will be much less than the original. The original has every where Ceramicspeed bearings, I don't. At a kit car it's quite obvious for the trained eye, I think it will also be obvious for the factor that it's a replica (for the trained eye).
And at this point I can't get rid of the stickers anymore, sorry.

Anyway I don't want to start the debate of good or bad with the fake replica's.

I hope I answered the your questions, it was a bit of a search to be honest, but there you go.



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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Elitewheels Edge wheelset
« on: September 26, 2024, 09:43:42 AM »
Those Elite Drive D65 looks stunning!

I had one problem and that was with the 6 - bolts brake disc. I thought I came then without a center lock system but it does and they added an adapter. The weight was a bit over, advertized 1488 grams and I weighted it at 1516 grams for both. Nothing major and I'm quite happy with that.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: September 26, 2024, 09:38:45 AM »
Alright, I have finished the build with some hick-ups but nothing major.
- A brake disc that is not truly straight, when these AliExpress things don't work I but better ones, like the Galfer ones.
- The screw for the seat post wedge was destroyed, so had to put a temporary other one, correct one is coming.
- The Elite Drive wheels are the D65 and I ordered the 6 bolts, but I didn't read the FAQ good enough so it came with an adapter and I thought it was designed for 6 bolts, now it's center lock with an adapter.
- The Lexon Crankset was too tight and didn't run smoothly and freely so I had to get the spacers and pre-load ring out and it worked, without any play on the spindle or crankarms. Posted this in the Lexon crankset thread.
- I had the el cheapo brake hoses from Wheeltop which I replaced with Magura Kevlar brake hoses, with no problem, and everything went smoothly through the frame and handlebar.

It's 7.3 kg in the picture, with a 1x setup so no front derailleur of 206 grams and an extra chain ring, including Speedplay paddles.
It is without the computer, sensors & computer holder, bottle cages, and bar tape, radar light and mount, then it will be around 7,5 kg.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LEXON Road Carbon Crankset
« on: September 26, 2024, 09:21:03 AM »
Had same problem with other crankset on my t47. Just removed the preload bolt and replaced it with spacers om both sides

Thanks, I will try to find a spacer that fits.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LEXON Road Carbon Crankset
« on: September 26, 2024, 05:26:27 AM »
Yesterday, the LEXON carbon crankset with a Rotor Qrings Qarbon was installed. When I drove a decent amount of km I can report back. It's pretty light and I went for the purple middle with purple bolts.

BB is Cema T47A with internal 77mm, if I measure the outer width is it 94mm
The Lexon crankset has a spindle length of 92 mm

I'm now finishing up and I noticed some play rocking back and forth in the arms, maybe around 2mm, So I tightened it up to the recommended 45 nm of torq. Then the crank is too tight and won't spin freely anymore. For reference, the preload ring is fully to the back and I used in the beginning 2 mm spacers that the BB delivered from Cema delivered with the BB. Then I removed the spacers, I could tighten the crank but it still didn't spin smoothly and freely, the play on the arms was reduced but still there.

The next step was trying it without a pre-load ring and then I could tighten it at 45nm torq and it spins freely and there is no play in the crankset and in the arms that I had before. Is it possible that the preload ring is too wide? The preload ring is 7 mm thick and the thread on the crank spindle is 4 mm high so if I can shave off 3 mm it should work. I think I will try to get the 2 mm off the pre-load ring. But has anyone had the same with a T47a DUB BB?

The spindle length is the same as other brands, which has 92mm.

Using this platform and Google, I couldn't find any solution or if someone had this before, but I can't believe I'm the only one out there with this issue.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
« on: September 16, 2024, 07:57:56 AM »
did the frame came with the transition spacer and seat post cover shown in your photos? I had to look elsewhere for the original parts as mine didn't come with the seat post cover and the spacers set they gave was crap

I received a seatpost cover with it and two sets of clamps for the seatpost. Probably those are the ones you call transition spacers. I considered to buy them original but when I saw they were the same material (Alu) did I kept them, they feel good and snug. I also considered the same seat post wedge as you, but I read that the Alu one has more hold with carbon past than the "plastic" one (the red one), which is lighter.
The spacers for the head set did I replaced for carbon ones, which I could have bought from your notorious seller but I bought them for much more (unfortunately) original from carbon.

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