It's a bit sad that they don't focus on one product they could surely deliver something good. Having a few really solid features rather than being all over the place.. Everyone say the same that the IGS800 stuff are lacking in almost every feature implementation. Feels like a product that is not ready and will never be ready. Who wants to pay 300+ for that ?
I still use my garmin edge 520 and garmin add features to it so long after the release..

Quote from: PLA on June 03, 2024, 08:05:38 PM
Yeah gotta say I agree with this mostly...

The red pads in my cheji bibs are just as good as any of my top brand stuff. I'd say they're superior to my santini pads. Still, Rosti make my favourite pad overall.

But then again, I have an unpadded saddle that seems to fit me perfectly, so I get along with most bibs pretty well. I went through 20 saddles to actually get to this one though.

The fake elastic interface pads, like those offered on brands like darevie or ykykkykykkbike have been pretty ordinary but still usable, unlike those ultra cheap 7d fluoro pads, which are just utter garbage.

This one https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001939822272.html ?

I've tried three different rion pads and i have no pro bibs from any maker but it seems like the elastic interface is legit and well done. I've looked at pictures of 200$ bibs with elastic interface and its basically the same thing.
The way the rion bibs are made is also amazing when it comes to stitch and everything else.
Most brands actually sells stuff way too expensive for sure rapha or asos bibs cost them 10$-30$ to make maximum with the elastic interface expensive pads that they probably pay a few bucks

Quote from: Serge_K on April 04, 2024, 10:30:29 AM
I had a look at second hand bikes in France - by extension i assume it's just way better in the UK, where ebay UK is like the mothership when it comes to 2nd hand bikes -. You can now find a boat load of branded disc frames with di2 at really good prices. Supersix, Trek, Look, Scott being the most obvious.
I've become a snob because i'm like "oh, i wouldn't touch these 40cm bars", or "that's not an integrated cockpit" and other BS, but the reality is, about a year ago 2nd hand disc bikes were expensive AF, and now they're not. You can probably get a legit bike with meh wheels for 1500 eur, for sure for less than 2k, which you can then upgrade with deep, wide wheels.
Also, you can get a Look frame for that money, and, well, Look is Look. The screenshot is from their website which means you can knock off another several hundreds if you dig a bit. And then 2nd hand.
The bike industry is going down the toilet, there are deals to be had now.

My point: Winspace is horrendous value. Jacking up prices to pay kick backs to influencers doesn't make your bikes better than a Look, or a Scott, or a Trek, or a Supersix, or a TCR.

I'm in switzerland and the price of second hand bikes still sucks bad tbh..
Most people ask way too much and people are ready to pay too much.
The winspace isnt such a bad value tbh yeah the frame is expensive but it seems to be top notch quality