Hey all

Not sure if anyone else has stumbled across underdogscycling.cc its the NA panda. Or so it looks like.
I bought some goods from them.

I might get flamed for this but I will say a lot of the wheels elite farsports crw are really splitting hairs these days. The weights and specs are quite similar. I would say don't skimp on price but get what fits ur needs. Weight Depth internal x external width. I have ridden so many wheels its hard to tell the diff sometimes. I still ride 19 internal 21 external wheels as I like light wheels and don't race so don't need a wide contact surface.

Just my two censt.

I'm waiting to find a knock off ceramic speed tool to remove these dam cranks.

I can get u elilee at a deal

my only concern is i think u get what u pay for in life. Would love to hear some reviews on this brand. The price if reviews are good is a no brainer.

i still ride 19mm internal 21 external. I don't race. Still use 25mm tyres. I apologize I don't drink the cool aid that I will be faster with a wider profile. Maybe I will be able to take a corner hotter but faster i doubt it.

wow those are crazy light. How's the quality?

when a fd wont shift upwards its usually never the crank. Its 99.9% the fd is set up wrong

Does anyone have a contact or a email for someone at farsports?

Again appreciate the help.

Thank you sir

Hey toxin

Thank you unfortunately both options are too expensive for a winter wheel set. Ultegra wheels for me will be cheaper.

Thanks so much anyways. Sent u a pm

Quote from: Serge_K on September 18, 2024, 05:17:53 AM
The spec offered by XMC is 100% with carbon spokes. Basically i saw the norcal video, looked at the n6 link, chatted up Peter to see if he could build something similar and for how much. Carbon spokes is a feature, not just a way to reduce weight, so we picked the rim of the (almost) same depth, (almost) same width, same spokes (ie carbon), same hubs (ie ceramic bearings), resulting in (almost) the same weight.

@serge and @toxin.

If you were building a set of wheels to ride in winter 30-35 mm depth around 1200 granms 21 internal 28 external. Nothing fancy how would you build them. I need a set of winter trainers and can't figure out where or who to use.

Thank you so much gentlemen

Quote from: toxin on September 17, 2024, 03:22:13 PM
The vast majority of non-bonded carbon spokes come from STREN, including all the western brands that use such carbon spokes (Cadex, Scope, Newmen, Black inc, Hunt and more). Winspace were one of the first to use them in mass production. Farsports make their own that they provide to some other brands. Lightbicycle might be making their own as well, not sure. I've heard conflicting things about CRW. CC Joe made it sound like they're a CRW in-house product but another wheel manufacturer says they also come from stren. Komcas (Superteam) has one design to make 1cm wide spokes that I haven't seen anywhere else. These spokes all require special hub and nipple interfaces due to the way the carbon fibres are locked with the metal parts. They are all much stronger than steel spokes and very impact resistant.

There is another type, which tries to emulate regular steel spoke interfaces by bonding the metal parts with the carbon in order to be able to use regular nipples and hubs. This type of design was implemented very poorly by Lightbicycle early on and their were spokes notoriously failure prone. Some customers recieved their wheels with almost all the spokes debonded from their intefaces out of the box. There is an improved version of this type of design that mitigates this by introducing barbs and some other stuff inside the metal bits to better retain the carbon. I haven't heard of failures with these but it is a fundamentally inferior design at the end of the day. I have absolutely no idea who makes them but they're available through Nextie, Aliexpress, EIE, Deerobust and others. They offer no advantage beyond compatibility with traditional hubs and I wouldn't use them over good steel spokes, tiny weight saving be damned.

No6 wheels are Farsports through and through, I could email Farsports right now and I could have my order in production by tommorrow with the exact same parts as No6 for a little more than half the price. They are not the only marketing brand doing this. I saw another yesterday and I thing there are at least another two I don't remember and probably several more I haven't heard of.

I was also asking because I don't see carbon spokes available on xmcarbonspeed website but I have a hard time imagining how they could get to that weight without them.

Thank you for this your knowledge is amazing man. Love reading your posts.

Quote from: Serge_K on September 17, 2024, 01:56:19 PM
Peter from Xiamen carbon speed can make a spec very similar to N6 wheels (as per my previous post) for much less money.
Also, and obviously, if indeed it's Farsports that makes the rims /wheels for N6, then Farsports can probably make the same spec for less money, but i havent chatted with Windy in a long time because she's been on maternity leave so someone would have to confirm that.

Thank you