Ican P9 build

[Midwest-MTBer]

Interesting. Not sure why they wouldn’t respond then. I work directly with some factories overseas for my job and communication with them can be hit or miss. It seems like there is less urgency to respond in a timely manor. Could just be a cultural difference. Are you saying that they haven’t responded to emails since they sent the images and tracking?

[deezums]

No replies since I said thanks for the pictures and tracking number, but that's not too far out of line at this point. I do recall a day or two delay when first contacting them now that I think about it, looking at other frames and not finding much else I liked in comparison... Maybe they're busy with other customers who contacted them first?

Hope they reply to you soon!

[tripleDot]

http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1303.0;attach=1987;image

@rideczech, is this painted on or decal/sticker? If the later, customize or store bought?

[chetosmachine]

Hi there,

Do you believe this frame would accept a 216x63 shock, shimmed internally to become a 216 x 60? These shocks are available so easy(=cheap) compared to the "new" metric shocks... and the 6mm offset could be reduced to just 2mm with the use of offset bushings, so it would effectively be 212x60 shock.

I love the looks of this frame compared to the P8, it looks so much "strong and fierce".

BR

[deezums]

I believe that would be fine, 212mm at least. I see roughly 3-5mm of clearance to the seat tube from the rocker arm when eyeballing 8.375" center to center. I am using a tape measure, can't think of a more accurate way to measure.

I don't have the right hardware to mount my rear shock yet to show you exact clearance with a 210mm either!

 

[rideczech]

http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1303.0;attach=1987;image

@rideczech, is this painted on or decal/sticker? If the later, customize or store bought?

It's a vinyl sticker that you can get on eBay.... I have since taken it off as I preferred the stealth look!

[chetosmachine]

Guys,

Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.

I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.

Thanks for your input.

[rideczech]

Guys,

Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.

I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.

Thanks for your input.

Large without doubt. I'm 173 on a medium running a 35mm stem 820mm bars. I wouldn't want the length any shorter that's for sure!

Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com

[carbonazza]

Guys,

Which size would you recomend for a 179cm tall, 79cm inseam guy?
Intended use is a trail bike.

I plan to install a 210x50 shock to limit rear travel to ~136mm and use a 140mm front fork.
29" wheels.

Thanks for your input.

Large without doubt. I'm 173 on a medium running a 35mm stem 820mm bars. I wouldn't want the length any shorter that's for sure!

Cheers
Jody
www.rideczech.com

I wouldn't be that sure. I'm 178 with a 89cm inseam, riding a L.
But my next bike will probably be a M, seating higher, but the worst is having a too long top tube.

The best is to measure your current bike.
Measure the distance from the back of your saddle to the bar.
The drop between your saddle and the bar.
And the horizontal distance between the back of your saddle and the bottom bracket.

Do your homework on the geometry file M and L, reporting those dimensions to it.
And you will see which one is best.

If in the middle, choose the smaller one.
It is much easier to put a longer stem, some headset spacers and back up the saddle, than shortening the top tube 

[chetosmachine]

The thing is, I own a 100mm travel, 26", XC bike from 2011. Geometries have changed quite a lot, nor do I want to have the exact fit on the new bike.

I have done half of the work, and this weekend I will translate the measurements I took from my bike and make a three some comparison.

So far, I only have the P9 on both M & L, fitted with 29"x 2.2 wheels, 210mm long shock, Fox 34 140mm, 40mm 0º stem, 35mm flat bar, 170 crankset... This is a pretty basic scheme, just to get the numbers I care about.

The only number I really know from my bike is that distance top of saddle-center of BB is 74cm.

[rideczech]

The thing is, I own a 100mm travel, 26", XC bike from 2011. Geometries have changed quite a lot, nor do I want to have the exact fit on the new bike.

I have done half of the work, and this weekend I will translate the measurements I took from my bike and make a three some comparison.

So far, I only have the P9 on both M & L, fitted with 29"x 2.2 wheels, 210mm long shock, Fox 34 140mm, 40mm 0º stem, 35mm flat bar, 170 crankset... This is a pretty basic scheme, just to get the numbers I care about.

The only number I really know from my bike is that distance top of saddle-center of BB is 74cm.

140mm fork is too short for the P9. 29 x 2.2 tyres are also on the skinny side. From the specs you have mentioned it sounds like you would be better off with the P8.

No point comparing old style geo.... The 74deg seat tube angle and slacker head angle effectively shortens the virtual top tube measurement.

Fair enough using a shock with a smaller stroke but same eye to eye, that is fine, but you need to think about the axle to crown measurement of the fork to maintain the BB height and frame angles.

Also you have to consider bar width. I run 820mm bars which also adds a little extra reach. Gone are the days where bars were the same width as your shoulders!!

[chetosmachine]

I know P8 would adapt better, but I am deeply in love of the P9 looks. That's why I write here

BB heigth is not extremely low. I put 170mm cranks to minimise pedal strikes, which i never get with my current bike.

My idea might be a bit different from pure Enduro bike, but I  had a 07 Kona Stinky that i loved to ride, except for the cramped position to make long rides on it and the overweight. My freeride days are gone, but I'm willing to have some fun with the bike again. My current bike is not that fun to ride :/

[rideczech]

I know P8 would adapt better, but I am deeply in love of the P9 looks. That's why I write here

BB heigth is not extremely low. I put 170mm cranks to minimise pedal strikes, which i never get with my current bike.

My idea might be a bit different from pure Enduro bike, but I  had a 07 Kona Stinky that i loved to ride, except for the cramped position to make long rides on it and the overweight. My freeride days are gone, but I'm willing to have some fun with the bike again. My current bike is not that fun to ride :/

I would still be tempted to try and maintain the fork height..... Also you could find a 210x52.5mm stroke shock for cheap. From some Trek bikes I think....

[chetosmachine]

Well, I went to a real bike shop this past WE. I could try, static, several bikes, including 29" Scott Spark size M, Spark RC size L,  and 27.5 Giant Anthem size L.
I also measured my current xc machine.

My bike's TT is 595mm. And from center seat to center handlebar I have 685mm.

Spark in size M felt a little short, pretty much like my bike. A look at the geometry chart from Scott reveals TT 605mm, and 60mm stem.
Spark RC size L is more XC oriented and unfortunately the seatpost was fixed and too high. It didn't felt bad though. TT 630 and stem 80mm.
Anthem 27.5 size M felt perfect. This one has 625mm TT and 60mm stem.

This leads me to think that if I had to choose for a given size, I would go for P9 size L and adjust length with stem around 40mm.
Now I just have to choose, P9 or Lightcarbon LCFS711 with 130mm fork......

Thanks all for your support

 

[bxcc]

Just thought you guys might like to see this. It looks like Evolve Bikes out of Canada just released a new bike. It does come with a Cane Creek shock and a lifetime warranty though.

https://evolvebikes.ca/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset