Author Topic: Epic Evo Clone  (Read 74343 times)

ilyamaksimov

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2023, 05:58:51 AM »

Do I have a deadline for this?

I mean, it's too early to draw any conclusions about the quality and reliability of the frame

darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2023, 08:16:25 AM »
200km done. No creaks/sounds yet :)

johnnydamage

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2023, 09:18:14 AM »
that looks very nice! (i ordered my frame from all stars a few days ago)

does it feel like a 100mm bike on the rear? you have a 190x40mm shock? do you think a 200x51 will fit?

thank you!


darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #138 on: July 12, 2023, 09:24:56 AM »
My shock is 190x40. I do not know how to correctly measure the travel. It's a first full sus for me.

ilyamaksimov

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #139 on: July 12, 2023, 10:39:14 AM »
200km done. No creaks/sounds yet :)

Is there a difference in stiffness between hardtail and full suspension frames when pedaling? does the full suspension have the same soft frame in the bottom bracket as the hardtail?

Kactusdog

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #140 on: July 12, 2023, 10:58:24 AM »
that looks very nice! (i ordered my frame from all stars a few days ago)

does it feel like a 100mm bike on the rear? you have a 190x40mm shock? do you think a 200x51 will fit?

thank you!

The manager i’ve communicated with recommends a 190x45mm shock! Slightly more travel.

Kactusdog

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #141 on: July 12, 2023, 10:59:59 AM »
200km done. No creaks/sounds yet :)

Yeah buddy!!!! Great news.

What cassette range and chain are those? How do you like the shifting performance? I use a similar cassette from SROAD, 10-50. Once I altered the shift gates on the second to biggest cog, it began working more reliably.

johnnydamage

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #142 on: July 12, 2023, 12:50:28 PM »
so i stumbled across this ad on pink bike https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3631594/#PBModalBox

looks like the 2020 evo but the changed the yolk to this by the looks of it: https://www.bikeyoke.de/en/bikeyokes/epic/

running a 190x45mm shock and claiming 110 mm of travel.

I don't know how leverage ratios are calculated but it looks very similar in design to this bike.

im guessing the math goes 110mm divided by 51mm(stock stroke shock) = leverage ratio of 2.157   

so 40mm stroke gives 86mm travel and 45mm stroke gives 97mm?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2023, 01:00:09 PM by johnnydamage »

darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #143 on: July 12, 2023, 01:14:00 PM »
Is there a difference in stiffness between hardtail and full suspension frames when pedaling? does the full suspension have the same soft frame in the bottom bracket as the hardtail?

This full sus frame seems to have more stiffness in BB, but I cant measure it. So it could be false feelings. That hardtail epic HT feels very plush in BB, that is for sure..plushiest of any hardtails I've had before.

Of course it is MUCH EASIER to peadal on rough roads when you on a full sus bike. Full sus bike goes faster on rough terrain, no doubt. And you not only go faster, you are less fatigued at the end...

What cassette range and chain are those? How do you like the shifting performance?

The cassete is ZTTO ULT 10-50, chain is SUMC SX12 (works the same wtih YBN chains). This combo works perfect wtih XT derauller\shifter, but you have to be carefull: chain length have to be correct...too short chain makes shifting dramatically worse on lower gears.

The manager i’ve communicated with recommends a 190x45mm shock! Slightly more travel.
For my style of riding I dont need more than that I have now. I could only hit it about 60% mark on my local descends. There will be a XCM at the end of the July, it will feature some high speed technical rocky descends. Will test it there.

In SIDLuxe shock you can remove a travel spacer to make it 45mm of travel.





darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #144 on: July 12, 2023, 01:29:22 PM »
do you think a 200x51 will fit?
EVO link only accepts 190mm eylet to eylet length. So it will not fit.

johnnydamage

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #145 on: July 12, 2023, 02:10:00 PM »
its weird when you look at the linkage and how the rear shock connection to the seat stays is a straight line to the shock for both the 2020 evo and the 2021 epic.

the epic running a 52.5mm stroke getting 100mm stated travel

the evo running a 51mm stroke shock getting 110mm travel

how is this possible?  I'm guessing the longer chainstay 433 vs 438 increases the leverage ratio?

could anyone verify the actual chain stay length on this frame stated length appears to be 438.


thanks for the tip about making a 190mm x 40mm lux into a 45mm thats nice since thats the shock i ordered :)
« Last Edit: July 26, 2023, 06:50:56 AM by johnnydamage »

darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #146 on: July 12, 2023, 09:43:33 PM »
Take a closer look. Yoke of epic and epic Evo are different!!
« Last Edit: July 12, 2023, 10:23:46 PM by darkening »

Kactusdog

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #147 on: July 12, 2023, 11:40:29 PM »
its weird when you look at the linkage and how the rear shock connection to the seat stays is a straight line to the shock for both the 2020 evo and the 2021 epic.

the epic running a 52.5mm stroke getting 100mm stated travel

the evo running a 51mm stroke shock getting 110mm travel

how is this possible?  I'm guessing the longer chainstay 433 vs 438 increases the leverage ratio?

could anyone verify the actual chain stay length on this frame stated length appears to be 438.


thanks for the tip about making a 190mm x 40mm lux into a 45mm thats nice since thats the shock i ordered :)

Yup, this one is almost a “hybrid” of both: the Epic’s structure, but the EVO’s standard linkage style. I’m guessing it’s because they didn’t want to add an additional set of bearings, and/or deal with the additional rear triangle flex and fatigue. It’s probably cheaper to keep it Epic rather than try to emulate the technology / carbon layup of the EVO.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2023, 10:57:50 AM by Kactusdog »

ilyamaksimov

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #148 on: July 13, 2023, 01:29:03 AM »
That hardtail epic HT feels very plush in BB, that is for sure..plushiest of any hardtails I've had before.

compared to carbonda fm 936 epic hardtail from sp-cycle soft as macaroni...

darkening

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #149 on: July 13, 2023, 04:11:36 AM »
compared to carbonda fm 936 epic hardtail from sp-cycle soft as macaroni...

My previous hardtail was 2015 epic copy from Workswell. And it had very stiff BB. SP-Cycle epic is very soft, so true.

no offtopic: photo evo clone form another side :)