Magene QED 12spd groupset showcased in Shanghai

[Petr (CyclistsHub.com)]

It seems that more Chinese manufacturers are interested in penetrating the groupset market, which is dominated by Shimano and SRAM. After Ltwoo, Sehsah, and Wheeltop, Magene is a new player. They showcased their QED 12spd road groupset at Shanghai's China International Bicycle Fair. I got this info (and pictures) from a person attending the fair. So, there might be some discrepancies. Anyway, here is what I know:
- 12spd semi-wireless groupset
- looks like Shimano 105
- it will have hidden buttons on the inside
- hoods/shifters compatible with rim + hydraulic disc brakes

The price or the release date is unknown. What is your guess?

More details and pictures at: https://www.cyclistshub.com/magene-qed-groupset-revealed/

[toxin]

Now this is gas

[Serge_K]

How can the same shifters work with both brake cables and hydraulic housing?

[raisinberry777]

Certainly interesting if they can get a product to market and throw some good support behind it (support historically for Magene products seems... lacklustre). For example, see this thread:

https://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=4221.0

The P505 certainly seems to have been a success for them though and they've at least shown with that that they can make a reliable product.

[Macedingle]

This is hype. I feel like magene quality is above the rest

[jonathanf2]

Panda Podium posted a video on his IG profile:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6l0X9-y_N_

[kbernstein]

They also have powermeter pedals promising to compete with assiomas. Wish they made PM cranks again though
But what happened to sensah?? I think they were the second teased electronic groupset from china after wheeltop but i've not heard about it in over a year

How can the same shifters work with both brake cables and hydraulic housing?

Joe said rim brake will be available later so they are not the same shifters

[Petr (CyclistsHub.com)]

Joe said rim brake will be available later so they are not the same shifters

My source sent me this photo that Magene told him about the shifter disc + rim compatibility. But I honestly have no idea how it works.

[TribesMan]

Well that is a great idea.
You just need to provide a way to connect a cable to the lever along the hydraulic cylinder.
So if you use hydraulic, you just use cylinder. O
f you use rim brake you actuate both the cable and cylinder at the same time, but cylinder does nothing.
I wonder how nobody thought of that before...

[TidyDinosaur]

Well that is a great idea.
You just need to provide a way to connect a cable to the lever along the hydraulic cylinder.
So if you use hydraulic, you just use cylinder. O
f you use rim brake you actuate both the cable and cylinder at the same time, but cylinder does nothing.
I wonder how nobody thought of that before...

I would guess it makes the shifter bigger...

[zerstorer]

My source sent me this photo that Magene told him about the shifter disc + rim compatibility. But I honestly have no idea how it works.

According to the Chinese conversation in the cyclisthub video, the hole on top is for mechanical brake cable. The hydraulic brake hose goes to the traditional location below.

It's one single design that accepts both mechanical and hydraulic braking. Neat.

[Nadeshiko]

They also have powermeter pedals promising to compete with assiomas. Wish they made PM cranks again though
But what happened to sensah?? I think they were the second teased electronic groupset from china after wheeltop but i've not heard about it in over a year

Joe said rim brake will be available later so they are not the same shifters

PM Cranks are mechanically speaking an inferior design to spider PMs. For spider PMs they are build with a pair of sheer gauges that can naturally filter out components of applied torque that are not due to rider pedaling, while crank based PMs rely heavily on post-processing to clean the data to a usable level. You also only need one side to measure true L/R combined power (though the power decomposition to L/R is still more or less guess work), which is especially good if you have a pretty big L/R difference (For me it's 56/44, so a left-side-only setup would overestimate my power by quite a lot)

[zerstorer]

I used to have a similar power imbalance. You may need shims or insoles. However, just lowering the saddle 1.5cm for me made the balance equal.

[kbernstein]

PM Cranks are mechanically speaking an inferior design to spider PMs. For spider PMs they are build with a pair of sheer gauges that can naturally filter out components of applied torque that are not due to rider pedaling, while crank based PMs rely heavily on post-processing to clean the data to a usable level. You also only need one side to measure true L/R combined power (though the power decomposition to L/R is still more or less guess work), which is especially good if you have a pretty big L/R difference (For me it's 56/44, so a left-side-only setup would overestimate my power by quite a lot)

I just really want directmount chainrings

[toxin]

Why