Author Topic: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build  (Read 8799 times)

Ludo

Frame for mix road/gravel use possible - SPcycle g056 build
« on: August 08, 2024, 12:25:06 PM »
Original questions and discussions related up to page 3:
To the specialists, is there a frame out there that would be a good all around to do road and gravel by just switching wheelset? Not doing anything competitive, just wanting something capable. Not doing extreme off road either as I have a mtb for that.

Follow up (all prices taxes & shipping included):
Went with SPcycle G056 frame and here below is the built sheet, just missing pedals and a bit undecided about what to do on that so shelved that decision for later

Frame, so G056, sky blue frame and white fork, will probably put some decal on it to dress it up, $511
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNahRbQ

Handlebar, Syncros creston road 400x90, $87
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m09jqcc

Bar tape, $6
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNdUvZK

Groupset, Ltwoo GRT aluminum with Zrace XG calipers, $200
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtfyuM4

Crankset, Evosid 170mm-46T, $39
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqvRT6M

BB, kactus T47 ceramic bearings, $25
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0sr8Pa

Cassette, Spedao 11-50T. $68
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0QVeEo

Chain, YBN 12S, $21
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPAQ1Ac

Saddle, ryet 3D carbon, $36
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLifxzS

Wheelset, CSC 50x30x D272 hub 54t, 6 bolts rotors, $364
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNi5nzS

Valves, Ridenow presta, 65mm, $6
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mP718pW

Rotors, SRAM centerline 6bolts 160mm, $13 for the pair
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mK9mMVq

Tires, Continental Terra trails 70”x40C, $59 for the pair
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mK9mMVq




« Last Edit: August 22, 2024, 12:04:03 PM by Ludo »



erickr

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2024, 10:06:59 PM »
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.

kubackje

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2024, 05:50:22 AM »
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.

That's ease it's cervelo aspero and their clones like the one from airwolf.

Phaxe

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2024, 06:31:51 AM »
I just finished the cervelo clone build and I think it would make a great hybrid. It has a an aggressive aero position perfect for the road.

Serge_K

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2024, 11:48:48 AM »
road bleeds into all road bleeds into gravel bleeds into MTB.
modern (bro) wisdom would say you need to clear 50C to get a really capable gravel bike (as per Dylan Johnson on YT, basically).
If you want to do chunky gravel, then that's probably what you want. 30/32C Conti GP5000 tyres on a road wheelset, and 50C tyres on a gravel one. Or potentially 650b wheels with big mountain bike tyres (see Dylan Johnson's recent bike setup videos for gravel races).
If you aren't going to do any "real gravel" / chunky stuff, potentially an all road bike that takes 38C may be enough, at which point you might get away running 1 wheelset only.
really does depend on the riding you are ACTUALLY going to be doing.

I only have good things to say about carbonspeed's Grevil clone & Peter himself (Peter is on the forum. http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639). My er9 died on it after 4 rides, but i really enjoyed it. it's very roadie, in the sense that you can go really fast on it on smooth roads. It's the same geometry exactly as the Grevil, and Pinarello do know a thing or 2 about bike geometry apparently. it takes 50C.

I can also say good things about Long teng, and their newer model takes 38C (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/401.html). I have the 268, and the geometry is very similar, so it's a road bike, but "all road".

I also have a VB GF02 but honestly as a road bike it's pretty awful. i bought that, then very quickly decided to buy a real road bike, hence the LT. The Grevil clone would likely be capable of both quite well. 90+% of the riding i want to do is road, i bought gravel bikes to basically realize i like road better... but that's very much a function of where you live. the US has such poor infrastructure that a lot of roads are white roads. Europe doesnt have that, unless you're in the ass of somewhere, there's asphalt.

Pro tip: if 99% of your riding is going to be road, buy a road bike :)
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

frnchy

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2024, 01:09:15 PM »
I have an SPCycle G068 frame coming in soon to build into basically this exact bike. I'll be running a 700c x 32 mm road wheelset and 650b x 52-ish mm gravel wheelset. The frame should be arriving sometime in the next month and will be built up right after I get it, so check the thread for that frame soon.

More generally, I think the prior suggestions for an Aspero copy or all-road bike are good ones if your riding is like 70/30 road/gravel or less, and has a fairly consistent ratio of road to gravel. My riding is more like 40/60 overall, but for any individual ride I can get anywhere from a 50/50 to 10/90 split on surface type (well, 100% road rides aren't hard to achieve but they aren't very appealing); thus, two wheelsets makes sense for my use case where I can choose my riding surface of choice. If this sounds similar to your riding then it might be worth looking into a 2 wheelset solution on a frame with larger tire clearance.

Ludo

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2024, 02:19:19 PM »
Thanks everyone for all the good suggestion, I’ll start putting numbers together on the different options. Carbondale would be my first choice without budget constraint but I am not sur I can get there budget wise starting with that frame.
2 wheel set has the most appeal as I would rather not have to swap tires whenever I want to change things. I would think that most of my riding will be gravel but I would like to venture on the road front time to time.
Serge, for sure the roads around Houston are nothing like what we have in France, hard to find quiet country roads, but we do have a nice network of concrete trails, can easy do 60-70km ride without being on busy roads.


100poods

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2024, 04:38:02 PM »
I'm in the same situation, I want to get a universal bike, but I don't know what to choose. I have 80 tarmac and sidewalks, 10 bad tarmac and 10 forest roads. I don't really want a road bike, maybe over time, because I want more versatility and convenience on the 50-100km trips that I usually do.

These are the options I'm currently choosing from (Listed in descending order of my interest)

Lightcarbon LCG072-D 2025
Workswell G358
Carbonda 505SL
Ican Graro

Pricey side
Canyon Grail
Orbea Terra
Superior XR 2025
Scott Addict
« Last Edit: August 09, 2024, 04:44:16 PM by 100poods »

jonathanf2

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2024, 06:24:01 PM »
Take a look at the Crux (or clone) for a more road like geo or Carbonda 505 (also has an SL version) for a more relaxed gravel geo.

I have an original Carbonda 505 that was a spare parts gravel build several years ago. It's still my favorite bike I've ever owned. The newer 505 has been de-graveled a bit and looks like a great road/gravel option.

You know of any Crux frame clones? I'm not aware of any, but I'd be interested if they exist!

Serge_K

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2024, 04:36:20 AM »
I'm in the same situation, I want to get a universal bike, but I don't know what to choose. I have 80 tarmac and sidewalks, 10 bad tarmac and 10 forest roads. I don't really want a road bike, maybe over time, because I want more versatility and convenience on the 50-100km trips that I usually do.

Based on your ratios, consider the new long teng, the 401. Takes 38C, which would easily handle 90% of your riding, and the last 10%, would either still work ok enough with slicks, or if you have some knobs on the edges, would be great. Can't say enough good things about my LT268. If you put a 35 or 38C road tyres, setup tubeless, i think you'd be the king of the world on a setup like that, you could be going very fast most of the time, as the geometry is road, but not aggressive (not endurance either). i'm really very pleased with mine which has a similar geo.
they OEM for Argon 18.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

100poods

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2024, 07:17:14 AM »
Based on your ratios, consider the new long teng, the 401. Takes 38C, which would easily handle 90% of your riding, and the last 10%, would either still work ok enough with slicks, or if you have some knobs on the edges, would be great.

It looks interesting, but it's really more road-going than universal. One of my trips, when I wanted to increase the distance and get to a nature reserve near the city, this craving for adventure ended with me making my way along a forest road with fallen trees and a swamp through which I carried a bicycle in my hands (I saw a shorter road on satellite images LMAO). Therefore, I just want a slightly more road and faster gravel bike than I currently have — SPcycle G058. The stock for tires 40-45c will be enough for me for speed, comfort and off-road ability, I will stop at Tufo Thundero, and for the road I will assemble another wheelset for 30-32c tires that will eventually be on the road bike that I plan to assemble.



Serge_K

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2024, 07:47:10 AM »
It looks interesting, but it's really more road-going than universal. One of my trips, when I wanted to increase the distance and get to a nature reserve near the city, this craving for adventure ended with me making my way along a forest road with fallen trees and a swamp through which I carried a bicycle in my hands (I saw a shorter road on satellite images LMAO). Therefore, I just want a slightly more road and faster gravel bike than I currently have — SPcycle G058. The stock for tires 40-45c will be enough for me for speed, comfort and off-road ability, I will stop at Tufo Thundero, and for the road I will assemble another wheelset for 30-32c tires that will eventually be on the road bike that I plan to assemble.

Fair! then from the stuff i know 1st hand, i'd recommend Peter's grevil clone, because you'll still be fast on the road (80-90pc of your riding) and it will still largely feel like a road bike rather than a snail (my VB GF002 feels like a snail on the road), and you can clear 50C. Ofc, either you like the Pinarello vibe of it or you dont. It's turning heads, but it's not for everyone. I plan to make Ferragamo decals, or maybe Pizzaiolo, using Pinarello font - probably i ll end up with pizzaiolo on one side and ferragamo on the other just to troll pinarello.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Ludo

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2024, 08:13:26 AM »
Taiwan factory bike parts has the Scott addict replica. Could also be an option

100poods

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2024, 08:40:28 AM »
Yes, Ican Graro is a copy of Scott geometry, this is one of the options. But I'm not a fan of copies and replicas, even as trolling, I don't like the aesthetics of pinarello. I think I'll go to bikefit with retul to make up my mind, at the moment I'm forming a short list for myself.

Ludo

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2024, 09:45:21 AM »
I’ll post all the geometries of the bike posted here in the top post and a few oem bike for reference, could be useful for others