Author Topic: Any thoughts on the 145% Chinese tariff on purchases?  (Read 398745 times)

rockerplates.de

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #165 on: April 09, 2025, 01:30:27 AM »
Welp, now that China has retaliated, Trump has TRIPLED the De Minimis taxes starting May 2nd. I got nothing.  ::)

May 2nd Charges:
30% went to 90%
$25 went to $75

June 1st Charges:
$50 went to $150

Can you help explaining the raise?
i do not quite get it..
lets say, you buy a product for 80 USD?

MrJag

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #166 on: April 09, 2025, 01:37:03 AM »
Can you help explaining the raise?
i do not quite get it..
lets say, you buy a product for 80 USD?

If you bought a product for $80 today and it arrived after May 2nd but before June 1st, you would pay an additional $72 (90%) or $75 (Flat Rate). It is not clear how they will determine between using the 90% or flat $75 rate. If the product arrives after June 1st, you will pay the additional $150 flat rate.

So that $80 product in total would cost:

May 2nd - June 1st:
$152 - $155

After June 1st:
$230

And those figures are probably low end, as it doesn't include any "brokerage fees" that might charged by carriers like UPS for collecting the tariffs for you.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2025, 01:41:19 AM by MrJag »

Daviddavieboy

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #167 on: April 09, 2025, 03:52:55 AM »
As funny, almost bordering on childish,

 Not getting what they want and throwing a tantrum IS childish. For the well-to-do the next 4 years (possibly the next decade) will be hard but for those struggling financially it will be brutal and the wealthy will be making buckets of money from the whole mess. I used to travel there 20+ times a year but it's too messed up right now financially and politically.
I have a hope until someone can prove otherwise.

leozinho

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #168 on: April 09, 2025, 05:15:24 AM »
I'm shaking my head as I don't understand how these tariffs are supposed to help Americans, who largely voted for Trump because of inflation during Biden's term...but I don't understand a lot of what he does.

The important question - if I order today from Aliexpress will it arrive before the tariffs kick in?

Ludo

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #169 on: April 09, 2025, 05:51:03 AM »
Yes, that’s the risk with the stated deliverybdates probably challenged by the influx of last minute orders

courdacier

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #170 on: April 09, 2025, 09:53:27 AM »
Not getting what they want and throwing a tantrum IS childish. For the well-to-do the next 4 years (possibly the next decade) will be hard but for those struggling financially it will be brutal and the wealthy will be making buckets of money from the whole mess. I used to travel there 20+ times a year but it's too messed up right now financially and politically.

you'll still be able to get your carbon bits, it's called "origin washing". it'll take more effort, but there'll be ways.

Tijoe

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #171 on: April 09, 2025, 10:24:32 AM »
If you bought a product for $80 today and it arrived after May 2nd but before June 1st, you would pay an additional $72 (90%) or $75 (Flat Rate). It is not clear how they will determine between using the 90% or flat $75 rate. If the product arrives after June 1st, you will pay the additional $150 flat rate.

So that $80 product in total would cost:

May 2nd - June 1st:
$152 - $155

After June 1st:
$230
And those figures are probably low end, as it doesn't include any "brokerage fees" that might charged by carriers like UPS for collecting the tariffs for you.

In a large bearing cup,  USA consumers will no longer make any purchases from China using the De Minimis process.  This has been the intent of the last administration and now the new, using the guise of drug precursors and other banned or restricted goods.   They don't let us know that one of the primary reasons is  to regain profits lost by companies and importers that have lost product market share because many consumers were able to direct-purchase from foreign countries. (Bicycle parts are a small fraction of what was being imported through the $800 De Minimis.)   They want their import fees, warehousing fees, and to be able to add dealer and shop markups based on these higher cumulative costs. (more profit per item, at a higher price, with the same amount of work.)

I believe that the high tariffs for most countries will be short lived.  POTUS wants each country to come begging to him to make a deal.  For the countries that kiss his ring, he will give exemptions and he can boast that he won.  For countries that don't play his game, the USA will basically no longer import that country's goods.

Companies will band together/industries and file for exemptions, (6 month to 1 year process) and get them because what they sell is close to 100% dependent on foreign imports.  90+% of the bicycle industry will start to collapse as soon as importers start paying the tariffs.  Therefore, they will be very motivated to file for exemptions.  (Remember that this happened for the existing 20% Chinese tariffs for bicycle parts.)

Keep in mind that many large companies have been importing a much larger volume of consumers goods in anticipation of what POTUS has been doing.  They are betting that they will have enough inventory to last through what is happening now.   Unfortunately, small businesses, and niche products aren't included and will suffer, along with consumers like us who have enjoyed the benefits of Aliexpress, Temu and Shien

If this persists, consumers will lose access to many "convenience, consumable, and luxury items" because they will no longer be imported,  or we can no longer afford them.   
This reminds me of lifestyles one reads about in Russia.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2025, 10:30:34 AM by Tijoe »

00Garza

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 90% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #172 on: April 09, 2025, 11:04:25 AM »
Damn. I had canceled my Elite wheels order because it wasn't going to make it in time and opted for some Tagoola wheels with expedited shipping. It'll be close, but wouldn't mind paying 30% tax if needed. Definitely won't risk it at 90% though!

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 90% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #173 on: April 09, 2025, 11:08:57 AM »
Damn. I had canceled my Elite wheels order because it wasn't going to make it in time and opted for some Tagoola wheels with expedited shipping. It'll be close, but wouldn't mind paying 30% tax if needed. Definitely won't risk it at 90% though!

Damn, I'm tempted to order gravel wheels as well. I have a few small orders coming in. Due to size, wheels will at least take 2 weeks. Not sure if it's worth it. Though I should probably be concerned about other things...you know like food, heath and survival!  ;D

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 90% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #174 on: April 09, 2025, 11:19:29 AM »
What I'm gathering on Chinese social media, the general populace isn't very worried. If anything they'll miss Apple products (they really like Apple), but they can make do with what they have domestically since they already produce everything. According to the US vice president, they're just peasants anyways!  ::)

The question, can those in US suburbia with a 5 bedroom home + 2 car garage and several SUVs have the same ability to weather the storm without daily household goods?

Tijoe

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 125% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #175 on: April 09, 2025, 12:54:28 PM »
It was fun while it lasted.   POTUS just announced a total of $125% tariff on Chinese goods,  and a 90 day pause on other countries.   This is what I call progress!

glepore

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 125% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #176 on: April 09, 2025, 05:02:14 PM »
As I've posted in another thread, I have a bike that was paid for in mid Jan that hasn't left China yet and has been in transit within the country for over 14 days and hasn't moved for 5. The silly games being played by my POTUS is likely to cost me over 2k, or more than double what I originally purchased for. I'd just reject the goods, but I suspect they'll enter and I'll get billed anyway. I'm most certainly pissed.

Tijoe

Re: Any thoughts on the 145% Chinese tariff on purchases?
« Reply #177 on: April 10, 2025, 11:44:58 AM »
Here we go again....

Here are the tariffs still in effect:

    145% duty on all goods from China
    25% tariffs targeting aluminum, autos, goods from Canada and Mexico not under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement
    10% levy on all other imports

MrJag

Re: Any thoughts on the 145% Chinese tariff on purchases?
« Reply #178 on: April 10, 2025, 01:15:11 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-10/trump-tariffs-on-china-now-at-least-145-as-trade-war-ramps-up

" De minimis packages under $800, effective 2 May:

The US will tax imports of items priced up to $800 at a rate of 120% of their value, up from a prior plan to levy a 90% ad valorem tax.

The per postal item fee on goods entering after May 2 and before June 1 will rise to $100 from the planned $75. Parcels entering after June 1 will face a charge of $200 per item instead of $150 announced previously.

UPS and FedEx are reviewing brokerage fee charges for small packages to develop a more affordable option for low value packages. This is in response to the post office charging only $8.85 to clear packages with duties owed. "

 ::) ::) ::)

De Minimis is now more expensive than standard tariffs. At this point, just make it an embargo.

00Garza

Re: Any thoughts on the 145% Chinese tariff on purchases?
« Reply #179 on: April 10, 2025, 02:29:54 PM »
This sounds too ridiculous to be serious. I keep thinking this is just a bluff/power move to have an upper hand on negotiations and it'll settle at a much more reasonable number.

But nothing is clear and that's the problem.