Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD

[Sebastian]

+1 Tufo are now a force to be reckoned with. These Comtura Aero clinchers are Tube type tires which are very similar in construction to the old Conti GP4000.

I ride the Hi-Composite tubular in 28mm on my rim brake tub wheelset and it’s much better than the old Tufo tubs. + being basically a tubeless tubular, you can use sealant very reliably and even plug them with Dynaplugs to get you home. No need to replace a punctured tub on the road.

The Tufo Thundero is hands down the best gravel tire I’ve ever ridden and it’s what brought me back to Tufo in the first place. I had ditched them and forgotten about them much like you because of the awful reputation their tubs had in the past.

[KopytoNieBladzi]

I think these are intended to be road wheels and not much else. I mean sure you could obviously still ride them on gravel but I‘d suggest there’s options better suited to that.
Serenade offer a 25internal/30external/30deep gravel wheelset that’s like 1180g for around the same money or even less if you want something seriously light. Others out there have similar options, I believe.

Yeah but ngl those are visually pleasing

[PJW]

Any thoughts on the performance of these wheels in cross winds?

I'm interested in getting a pair of either these Serenades, or another set of wavy/undulated wheels from xmcarbonspeed, LightCarbon, Farsports, or Yuanan. However, I'm skeptical that there's been any real testing to prove they improve performance in cross winds. The aesthetics do not match my bike very well, so if there is not a performance benefit, I'll probably just purchase a more traditional 50mm rim.

From what I can see, the Light Bicycle Falcon Pro and Elite Wheels Drive Helix seem closest to the Zipp and Princeton designs, but they're out of my price range.

[Sebastian]

So, Marya sent me a discount code: WPOSJ62ZNPQ6
It should give you 10% discount. Line I said, if you sign up as a new customer you should get that anyway.

[jonathanf2]

With the discount code, unique wavy look and decent weight, these aren't a bad deal! Plus I only ride 25c tires since I just don't like 28c, so 21mm IW isn't a big deal to me.

Maybe I'll pick these up later in the year! 

[mrpercussive]

and yet another brand i need to check out... im planning a new build right now and yea sick seeing all these new to me options!

[Sebastian]

Any thoughts on the performance of these wheels in cross winds?

Too early to tell really. I‘ve only done a few hours on these. The front wheel might have felt less susceptible to gusts. But i need more riding time to really be able to tell.

[pepper_box]

Are the stickers/Decals removeable or did you somehow order them without?

I've been eyeing buying from them, but I'm wanting something with no logos.

[Sebastian]

They‘re removable.

[Imaginary_Chemical]

They‘re removable.

Please forgive the derail - as you can see, I'm new here - but is that a genuine Dogma or a replica? If the latter, I would very, very much like to know where you got it. 

[Avalius]

So, Marya sent me a discount code: WPOSJ62ZNPQ6
It should give you 10% discount. Line I said, if you sign up as a new customer you should get that anyway.

Hah nice, I was talking to her earlier she told me to wait with ordering. Sebastian will get a discount code. They do deliver, that's good. Ordered a pair, i'll be a test person to 

[Wildh24]

That looks like the same mold as all of the superteam base wheels.  Albeit a good price. Wing 20.soomes are great. I've used them in on multiple gravel and MTB wheels.

[Sebastian]

Please forgive the derail - as you can see, I'm new here - but is that a genuine Dogma or a replica? If the latter, I would very, very much like to know where you got it. 

I was gonna write a review in the VB 218 thread. I got the 218 in the rim brake version. I liked the geometry, fit and handling so much that I wanted a disc version, too. The 218 is not available anymore. So I went with this one from the QILEFU Store on aliexpress after much back and forth.
Not only is this cheaper than the 218, but it is also lighter and cleaner/better finished in many places, for instance headset and headset cover fit, BB threads, no sharp edges anywhere. Very happy with it. But i‘ve only done around 700km on it, much of that indoor bc of the weather here. So too early for a final verdict.

[Rebel_Yell]

Sebastian…..did you figure out who produced that 218 frame you bought off Ali?  All of their frames look very very clean!

[Imaginary_Chemical]

Thank you, Sebastian. I know where my frame is coming from, now. 

Suppose I'll have to wait until after the New Year to contact them about geometry, BB spec and the like.

Edit: Wait, I found all that.