Chinese Carbon Road Bikes > Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components
Carbonda Gravel Carbon frame CFR707
RDY:
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--- Quote from: RDY on September 01, 2020, 02:03:41 PM ---...ORA are Taiwanese and I don't think there's a better Steel or Ti frame builder in the world.
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They look great indeed https://www.oraeng-tw.com/titanium-bike-frame.html
Did you get a frame from them, directly?
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Not had anything myself, but seen various stuff they were the OEM for, for various brands. Also seen a custom Rikulau Ti build (ORA make all their stuff), and a Columbus XCr tubed custom bike directly from ORA. Most knowledgeable people in the trade I've spoken to insist their welders are the best bar none. Based on what I've seen and what people have told me, I'm not in a position to disagree.
I just bought a cheap branded Alu complete gravel bike to tide me over until hopefully more flights resume from Far East and air freight isn't such a mess. I'll then build up a Chinese carbon gravel bike. Probably a year later, once I'm sure what I want in terms of geometry, I'll either get ORA or Waltly to build a Ti gravel or endurance road bike as a keeper. Waltly if money is tighter, ORA if it isn't.
carbonazza:
At least to Europe, air freight from China is back to normal.
Thanks for the information about ORA.
RDY:
--- Quote from: carbonazza on September 02, 2020, 12:04:13 AM ---At least to Europe, air freight from China is back to normal.
Thanks for the information about ORA.
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The companies I contacted, most still weren't offering EMS yet, and those that were it was expensive and subject to huge delay. Anything which goes via Singapore is taking months atm, too, regardless of service. On frames and wheels, duty / tax paid services are what I'd go for, but again these services aren't offered again yet for the most part.
It can't be back to normal, because the number of flights is still microscopic, and the majority of air freight is on commercial passenger flights normally.
Just want to avoid potential headaches, since it seems when ever I order bikes there are problems ... including the latest cheapo branded one from Wiggle.
carbonazza:
I've got 3 pairs of wheels via XDB recently(through Hong Kong each time), they took 16-17 days instead of the usual 10-12 days.
And another is on its way, with the normal shipping steps so far.
Not fully normal, but in regard of what is going on, pretty good.
RDY:
Which suppliers?
I think you're in BE. I'm in NL .... customs can be a major problem here if you don't have your ducks in a row. There's no way to dispute what the carrier / belastingsdienst ask you to pay for customs / taxes. You either pay or have it returned. You can 'ask' them to refund you after paying (they won't), and then your only other option is to take them to court (not worth). The Dutch authorities and or PostNL particularly are absolutely notorious for asking for outrageous arbitrary amounts ... other carriers less so, but it still happens sometimes.
Before Covid I usually got stuff delivered to UK or Belgium if it was of significant value from US or CN, as it wasn't worth the risk of getting screwed by the system here. It's why almost alone in EU there are Dutch distributors for some of the Chinese carbon sellers.
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