Author Topic: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D  (Read 935 times)

birdofficial

Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« on: May 20, 2024, 03:53:18 PM »
New frame just popped up on Speeder Cycling's site today. Looks good, but we only get to see a render for now.

https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R55D-_p429.html
Material: Toray M40J T700 / T800
Type: 700C Road Disc
Appearance: UDM
Finish: Gloss / Matt (can offer custom painting)
Headset: FSA NO.55R ACR 1.5" Fully-Integrated
BB: Press Fit BB86.5*41mm
Standard Weight: 980g+/-35g (51cm)
SL Weight: 880g+/-35g (51cm)
Frame Size: 45cm / 48cm / 51cm / 54cm / 57cm
Handlebar Size: 370mm / 390mm / 410mm / 430mm (C to C in hoods)
Stem Size: 85mm / 95mm / 105mm / 115mm / 125mm
Cable Routing: Full Internal
Di2 Compatible: Yes
Disc Mount: Flat Mount
Max Tire Clearance: 700 x 32c
TA: 12x100mm / 12x142mm
Test: ISO 4210
Warranty: Two Years




pavlo.k

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2024, 04:35:44 PM »
Looks similar to rose xlite

Serge_K

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2024, 02:53:04 AM »
Very nice, except the t700 800 mix, and to a lesser extent, weight.
How much do they sell their frames for usually?
This frame in a lighter / stiffer version with t800/1000 could be pretty amazing.

jfcb

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2024, 03:22:03 AM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?

Serge_K

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2024, 04:38:26 AM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?


geometry table is a bit different, seatpost clamp is different, and i think the tavelo frame is supposed to be significantly lighter.

Beyond that, they do look very similar...

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2024, 11:50:28 AM »
Seems nice. Geometry and everything seems like a pretty conservative design, but thats not a bad thing. I do like the shape of the frame as it feels like a blend between the Tavelo Attack and Arow. I also think its an Adapt design. Maybe this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=841101518026184&set=a.227485472721128
 

Speeder seems to get pretty good reviews on here and the SC-ADV09 Bikepacking / Gravel fork is used by quite a few higher end builder as the lower cost fork option offered alongside Enve.

RDY

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2024, 07:57:24 AM »
New frame just popped up on Speeder Cycling's site today. Looks good, but we only get to see a render for now.

https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R55D-_p429.html
Material: Toray M40J T700 / T800
Type: 700C Road Disc
Appearance: UDM
Finish: Gloss / Matt (can offer custom painting)
Headset: FSA NO.55R ACR 1.5" Fully-Integrated
BB: Press Fit BB86.5*41mm
Standard Weight: 980g+/-35g (51cm)
SL Weight: 880g+/-35g (51cm)
Frame Size: 45cm / 48cm / 51cm / 54cm / 57cm
Handlebar Size: 370mm / 390mm / 410mm / 430mm (C to C in hoods)
Stem Size: 85mm / 95mm / 105mm / 115mm / 125mm
Cable Routing: Full Internal
Di2 Compatible: Yes
Disc Mount: Flat Mount
Max Tire Clearance: 700 x 32c
TA: 12x100mm / 12x142mm
Test: ISO 4210
Warranty: Two Years

Wow ... 2 frames in one week with a 57/58 with head angle below 73deg (other being Incolor).  Maybe the oil tanker is finally beginning to turn.  Not keen on the low BB drop tho.

patliean1

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2024, 09:04:22 AM »
Wow ... 2 frames in one week with a 57/58 with head angle below 73deg (other being Incolor).

How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2024, 11:29:26 AM »
How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.

Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.

My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.

RDY

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2024, 03:57:26 PM »
Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.

My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.

bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo.  second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed.  taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.

increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.

from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have  steeper head angles.  whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles.  the status quo is purely about package size.

also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2024, 07:49:48 PM »
bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo.  second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed.  taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.

increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.

from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have  steeper head angles.  whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles.  the status quo is purely about package size.

also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.

No, the bolded part is physics. Of course you can change other parts to the design to offset it (like lowering the rider). Fit and physics are often at odds in bike designs yet dependent on each other. Its a pretty hard thing to get right.

ricedaddy

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2024, 05:21:11 PM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?


People have suspected that Speeder is the OEM for Winspace and Tavelo are ex-Winspace employees....