Author Topic: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame  (Read 266868 times)

eucalyptus

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1425 on: November 02, 2022, 02:29:02 AM »
I placed my order for my 168 on 10/13/22 with custom paint of blue/purple chameleon blue.  To my surprise, I just received the frame 10/31/22.   On the front fork, I noticed the hole for the front brake line is on the right hand side of the steerer tube. I expected the hole to be in the middle of the steerer tube.  Will this be a problem running the brake line from the right side of the steerer tube to the left fork for the disc brake?

Hole placement looks absolutely fine! It is done so for smoother movement between hose/fork/frame to reduce twisting.

Remember to tape the hose, every S-works SL7 I have seen built, the mechanics tape the hose just above the steerer hole to keep the hose in place. Any slack should be inside the frame.

cramy

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1426 on: November 02, 2022, 03:29:24 AM »
Hole placement looks absolutely fine! It is done so for smoother movement between hose/fork/frame to reduce twisting.

Remember to tape the hose, every S-works SL7 I have seen built, the mechanics tape the hose just above the steerer hole to keep the hose in place. Any slack should be inside the frame.

any picture of that taping?

eucalyptus

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1427 on: November 02, 2022, 04:23:05 AM »

cramy

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1428 on: November 02, 2022, 08:53:22 AM »

badIuck

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1429 on: November 04, 2022, 04:39:08 PM »
I have a couple of road races coming up with significant amounts of gravel sections, so I have been trying to maximize the tire space in the frame. The split for one race is around 15% tame gravel/85% asphalt and 45% tame gravel / 55% asphalt for the other.
I have been looking for high volume road tyres with lower rolling resistance compared to gravel tires.

I currently have Vittoria Terreno Zero's in 32c and they are very puncture resistant but noticeably slower than a road tire (as it probably should be). Very good if there is a high risk of punctures or a need for more grip.

Schwalbe have a 34c model of their Pro One Evo TLE which I picked up. I mounted them on Light Bicycle WR45's which are 25mm internal (hooked). They measure 33,5mm.

Surprisingly there is still a bit of space. Obviously they are narrower than advertised but it probably also has to do with the lack of knobs and that the wide rim gives the tire a lower profile.
I would say if you have wide rims the bike could probably handle a 35mm WAM slick tire if you can live with minimal mud clearance. Anyone wanna sponser me some Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass  ;D ?
How did the 34c Schwalbes work out for you on the 168? I got some feedback that 34-35mm actual width would be real tight/rubbing from @kbike and @patliean1 but then there are guys like you where it seems to be fine. Pretty confusing...

Serge_K

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1430 on: November 05, 2022, 11:37:00 AM »
How did the 34c Schwalbes work out for you on the 168? I got some feedback that 34-35mm actual width would be real tight/rubbing from @kbike and @patliean1 but then there are guys like you where it seems to be fine. Pretty confusing...
my understanding is it wouldn't. Also, it shouldn't.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Unsworn5836

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1431 on: November 05, 2022, 03:34:59 PM »
starting to look like a bike
waiting on OG-Evkin stem and bars to arrive, wasn't happy with the provided bar and stem because of cable routing tightness
May I ask which color and finish this is, done by VB?
Thanks

cancancan

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1432 on: November 06, 2022, 08:50:16 PM »
Finished build (parts bin / new mix): https://imgur.com/a/DBR12Pr

Size 52 frame matte black
Stock 120mm stem
Stock headset cover
The One handlebar 36cm
Ultegra 8020 shifters
Jagwire cables and housing
105 hydraulic calipers
Dura ace crankset
Ultegra left side crank pm
Look carbon pedals
Token threaded BB
Rotor 53/39 chainrings with Rotor bolt covers
Dura ace fd
Ultegra rd
Pro Stealth saddle
DT Swiss Arc 1100 62mm wheels
GP5000 S TR tires 25mm
MT800 / Ultegra rotors 160/140
Zipp CX bar tape
Generic stem bolt Garmin mount from Amazon

First impressions after 3 rides (155 miles)

It is strange to review a frame like this.  Its a you-get-what-you-get direct-from-an-unknown-manufacturer frameset that costs so little relative to even entry level name brand frames that intuition dictates it should be, in the best case scenario, "acceptable", more likely some degree of "sketchy, problematic and/or vaguely frightening to ride"; unlikely that it would be "good". On the other hand, this is an SL7 in its tube shapes and geometry - the benchmark for a great all-round race bike - with a better bottom bracket (imo), more flexible headset out of the box, and 100-200 grams of extra weight (vs. standard and S-Works, respectively).  How should we assess the things we generally assume occur with name brand frames (like QC and strict conformance to the claimed carbon fiber layup) that might (?) be commercially infeasible at this price point?

I have ridden thousands of miles on a Tarmac SL6 sport frame (which was cannibalized for this build) and a Canyon Aeroad CFR.  Building up and riding this frame leads me to consider what the frame itself really contributes to the entire bicycle.  Geometry and the resulting fit is the most important contribution.  Second is aerodynamics of the frame and tube shapes.  Third is frame material / layup (i.e., desired level of stiffness or compliance in the right areas for the intended uses of the bicycle).  Last is weight. Ride feel, feedback, and comfort are dictated mostly by the contact points, with only a marginal contribution from the frame.  Tire width, pressure, and casing suppleness alone dwarf any differences in "compliance" between any reasonably stiff frames.

In the most important characteristics - geometry and aerodynamics - this bike effectively is an SL7. All the superlatives about handling and speed apply. If you are looking for an all-around race bike, this will fill that need.  The weight difference is quantifiable - materially heavier, though within the margin of difference made by a lighter seatpost, saddle and other finishing kit.  Frame layup and construction is harder to assess without cutting open the frame.  From a visual inspection, it looks clean.  From my initial ride impressions, the bottom bracket is stiffer than my SL6 - power transfer feels immediate, comparable to the Aeroad.  The fork does not flex when climbing or sprinting.  The stock stem combined with The One handlebar feels extremely stiff, but still has the vibration damping I would expect from a carbon bar and stem.  Against my expectations, the bike feels exceptionally good.  Whether that means that my specific frame has a good layup, or the carbon layup for this copy is comparable to the SL7, or it means that the layup, so long as its solidly made and not defective, doesn't have much noticeable impact, I don't know.   Maybe there is some hidden defect that will emerge in the form of a crack or failure after a few thousand miles, but I'm not sure what that would be. And I'm skeptical there is necessarily a higher chance of happening with this frame versus a name brand.  My Aeroad spent three months at a Canyon service center to fix two separate design flaws, one of which (the seatpost) wasn't really corrected.

I love this bike. This experience leaves me conflicted.  Does this mean that an S-Works Tarmac frame would be that much better? What this does leave me wanting is a Velobuild Premier version of this frame: pay double for an 800g version of the frame with an extra QC cert for peace of mind. I would feel better throwing DA di2 on that and doing a sub 7kg build. The benefits of the S-Works without the dentist meme branding or the anxiety of laying down a $5.5k frame in an office park crit.  Maybe I'm just describing winspace, yoeleo, et al.

I will reiterate - maybe I got lucky, and the median frame is missing parts, has holes drilled off center and is full of voids in the carbon.  Maybe carbon frame manufacturing has so matured that the default level of quality is high enough that the differences between frames are almost entirely geometry and branding, with the result that the carbon frame is the new carbon wheel. YMMV.

Build experience

Internal routing: more work with mechanical shifting but doable without any special tools. Just takes time and patience. Routing through The One handlebar was painless, I highly recommend it from that standpoint. I was concerned with the cable angles through the stem, but the shifting is smooth.  The clean look is satisfying and worth the extra effort. It seems popular around here to do mechanical disc brakes, but I wouldn't put brake cables through this stem.

Headset: it works. I read some reviews on this forum that suggested problems with headset play, but I have none at all. Maybe this has since been fixed. I purchased an FSA ACR headset assuming I would use that instead, but it left a large gap with the top of the headtube, and I ended up liking the look of the stock stem and the lower stack of the stock headset cover more anyway. 

Bottom bracket shell: nicely finished, no problems fitting the thread together bb. Stiff and smooth spinning, but will need a few thousand miles to assess for creaking, etc.

Disc brake mounts: did not appear to need facing, no more annoying to align rotors than any other frame (i.e., very annoying but works with some fiddling).


« Last Edit: November 07, 2022, 06:37:13 AM by cancancan »

badIuck

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1433 on: November 10, 2022, 02:41:01 PM »
Is anyone able to identify if the Airwolf YFR066 frameset uses the same integrated handlebars as you guys are receiving with your VB-168?
If it is the same I would order the frameset with handlebar since it seems to be relatively proven at this point. Otherwise I'll mount something else..

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004256426343.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.683f5695nXglt0&algo_pvid=04288e28-5070-4aad-a381-679c4b7a5ab0&algo_exp_id=04288e28-5070-4aad-a381-679c4b7a5ab0-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000028593785264%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21EUR%21790.64%21553.44%21%21%21%21%21%402100bddd16681124421354799e5ff5%2112000028593785264%21sea&curPageLogUid=V84hYRoVS5pk

Thans in avance!

darc16

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1434 on: November 11, 2022, 05:43:24 PM »
Those bars look very similar to the bars I received with my frame.

Berzerko

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1435 on: November 14, 2022, 03:07:30 AM »
I’ve got about 250 miles on my vb-r 168 after some initial problems ( some my own) I’m pretty impressed compared to my tried and true pinarello f10


eico

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1436 on: November 15, 2022, 04:54:08 AM »
I’ve got about 250 miles on my vb-r 168 after some initial problems ( some my own) I’m pretty impressed compared to my tried and true pinarello f10

Hey Berzerko!

Nice build - thanks for sharing. This is an Ultrega Di2 (the new one?), isn't it?
I want to build up the 168 frame with a Di2 group set as well. Did you face any issues building up with the group? How and where did you fix the battery inside the frame/seat post?

Thanks,
eico

dalon

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1437 on: November 15, 2022, 05:49:10 AM »
Those bars look very similar to the bars I received with my frame.

I at my bike, Velobuild 168 frame I replaced the integrated handlebar, because the forward shape and the size of the tube where I support my hands I didn't go I took this Ryet and I have been using it for about a month and I have no problems.

https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005002656738594.html

In changing in my opinion, I appreciated the merits of 168 even more.
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To stay balanced you have to move“

eucalyptus

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1438 on: November 15, 2022, 07:06:23 AM »
@Berzerko

extremely nice paintjob. Actually the exact same design I am going for on my next bike! with colors on the upper side tilting forwards like yours with the exception of leaving the bottom halv naked raw carbon. Very very nice indeed!

hazzer19

Re: Velobuild VB-R-168 Frame
« Reply #1439 on: November 15, 2022, 10:29:13 AM »
Hey Berzerko!

Nice build - thanks for sharing. This is an Ultrega Di2 (the new one?), isn't it?
I want to build up the 168 frame with a Di2 group set as well. Did you face any issues building up with the group? How and where did you fix the battery inside the frame/seat post?

Thanks,
eico



Nice build Berzerko! My two cents on buliding up the 168 with Di2 (mix of old and new gen stuff, all 11sp). Everything went smooth for me except for the wire to the FD. The metal grommet that I got with the frame was too narrow for the head of the wire to come through, so I just drilled it out a bit and all was ok after. Note that if you take it out to drill, which you probably should, it can sometimes be tricky to mount it back to the frame with the screw it comes with. Was fine for me. Also, possible you get a different type of grommet that makes things easier.