any 61+ frame retailers besides dengfu?

[Nickk2000]

looking for other 61+ frames as im a big guy. can only find dengfu. they have nice options for bikes but id like to explore other options so im wondering if you guys have ordered elsewhere and seen a 61 size.

[Matt_C]

Frame sizes mean nothing. Give is some stack and reach numbers. Iv found a 54 frame with 613 stack.

[Nickk2000]

i dont know my optimal stack and reach number... i always went with frame sizing... i know its the wrong way to do it and ill probably be called an idiot but ive only ever had a 61 cm gravel bike and my new fm098 that i rode. so i guess i should spend a lot of time on my road bike currently before i take my stack and reach into any consideration?

[Matt_C]

Have you ridden a name brand bike? What was the size like? Let's say you rode a 60cm emonda and it was perfect. Look on geometry geeks to find the stack and reach of that bike. When looking at open mould frames use those figures to guide you.

[Nickk2000]

someone told me the dengfu r12 has geometry like an emonda or domane so i will see how that pairs up when it comes. if the r12 fits me really nicely i guess that answers my question...
i have a cervelo aspero (not a dentist) but its a gravel bike so i cant really speak for road bike geometry on it. only other road bike i have is the fm098 which is stiff as hell and hurts my back after 90 mins of riding (though i just took it on its first ride last night). I rode my dads old caad10 before i sold it for him but it was a 56 so naturally itll be too small (me being 6'7) i noticed my neck started to hurt on that bike because i was way too upright and i would have to tilt my head up.

[Matt_C]

if the aspero rides comfortable and doesn't hurt you but the fm098 was too aggressive then you know your stack and reach should lie shomewhere between those bikes. if you only go off frame size numbers you are really limited and a 61 size frame might even end up being too small.

[Matt_C]

just compared the two frames. it should be easy to have the exact same fit on both bikes with the right number of spacers and stem length. Two nice bikes to have, relaxed handling and comfortable aspero along with the racier fm098.

[Matt_C]

take a look at this gravel bike. size 54 on paper. geometry could easily be a 60cm bike.