Author Topic: Lexon "Riot 10"  (Read 40330 times)

chetosmachine

Lexon "Riot 10"
« on: July 06, 2021, 05:43:06 AM »
Interesting new addition to the Lexon catalogue, not yet seen on other brands:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002761874606.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.17.3a6012bajOJsJU






ilyamaksimov

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2021, 08:02:24 AM »
eva lechner appruved


emu26

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2021, 05:02:56 PM »
Nice looking frame as most Lexon frames are.  Is it just me though or do most of their frames seem short on reach compared to similar "sized" competitiors?

The last two endurik linked are both 110 x 120  and the Lexon is 100 x 100.  Difference seems to be the 2mm in stroke length from 40mm to 38mm. Interesting that a 5% increase in stroke equates to a 10% increase in travel, I'm going to assume slightly more than 100mm for the Lexon and slightly less than 110 for the others. 
« Last Edit: July 07, 2021, 01:09:59 AM by emu26 »

bruto

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2021, 11:14:14 PM »
It's trunnion mount, too — photos were made with an eyelet shock for some reason
Trinx team have a bunch of photos of it up on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/trinxfactoryteam/photos/a.122771719227662/334057084765790
also featuring the integrated bar and stem a la Synchros sold by many Chinese merchants
« Last Edit: July 07, 2021, 01:29:29 AM by bruto »

Flummox

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2021, 01:29:37 PM »
Yeah saw it on Aliexpress as well, but isn't 2400gr for 15" a bit heavy? Trunnion is a big plus, but I'd personally still go for the 258.

bruto

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2021, 10:49:29 PM »
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Weight:about 2400g (15inch  include shock seatpost clamp  thru axle  chain protection cover )

it's 2100 without shock & hardware, according to Alibaba listing

this one will likely accomodate a longer dropper post too as the upper straight part of seat tube is visibly longer than that of Hongfu FM258
the 19" also fits two bottles according to their rep, Gavin
« Last Edit: July 07, 2021, 10:52:46 PM by bruto »

Flummox

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2021, 12:04:54 AM »
it's 2100 without shock & hardware, according to Alibaba listing
Ah yeah missed the incl shock, see that now. Cr*p, than I probably wanted this one instead of the 258 thats on its way  ::)

2 bottle holders on 19" is also very nice, but unfortunately I'm not tall enough for 19"+ frames.

bruto

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2021, 12:30:49 AM »
19" Riot is only as large as the medium Merida 96, for example
compare reach, FC, wheelbase for yourself: https://www.merida-bikes.com/en/bike/1984/ninety-six-rc-9000?spm=a2700.12243863.0.0.38403e5fbrCKPv#w1

it would probably be fine for me at 178cm, with some 50mm stem (I ride a 430mm reach frame with 80mm stem currently)

emu26

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2021, 02:16:15 AM »
19" Riot is only as large as the medium Merida 96, for example
compare reach, FC, wheelbase for yourself: https://www.merida-bikes.com/en/bike/1984/ninety-six-rc-9000?spm=a2700.12243863.0.0.38403e5fbrCKPv#w1

it would probably be fine for me at 178cm, with some 50mm stem (I ride a 430mm reach frame with 80mm stem currently)

Yep, that's what I was saying earlier. For some reason their frames always seem on the short side.

federic000

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2021, 02:42:59 PM »
Hard choice between this and the FM909  8)

looksee

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2021, 10:16:58 PM »
19" Riot is only as large as the medium Merida 96, for example
compare reach, FC, wheelbase for yourself: https://www.merida-bikes.com/en/bike/1984/ninety-six-rc-9000?spm=a2700.12243863.0.0.38403e5fbrCKPv#w1

it would probably be fine for me at 178cm, with some 50mm stem (I ride a 430mm reach frame with 80mm stem currently)

TLDR below. Summary: I'm the same height, but I think I'd go for the 17.5, though both would work.

I've been browsing this forum for a couple months, and this is the frame that looks the best to me. I'm also 178cm, but I might go for the 17.5". The LCFS911 looks good too, but I'm more in between sizes on that one, preferring not an excessive reach.

I have had two mountain bikes, a 1993 Stumpjumper hardtail since new that is my current ride, and a 2015 29er Stumpjumper Elite M5 that was stolen late last year. My '93 Stumpjumper is surprisingly feeling really good with my current setup after messing with spacers, stems, and bars (and saddle slammed forward on straight post) since a large fork length increase after a swap. It fits and rides better than it ever has (came with 130 stem back in the day, and couldn't avoid a huge bar drop). I learned about the RAD fit theory last week, and it turns out my body measurement RAD of 790mm happens to be exactly the same as the 790mm bike RAD that was my final result after trial and error fitting by feel. That it feels right kind of validates the RAD theory for me, since I arrived at the same fit on my own before even hearing about RAD.

My stolen 2015 bike was a 19" that had a 437mm reach and a 70mm stem after trying some different stems, suggesting that the 19 frame here would work well with a 60mm stem for me. Although I didn't feel too stretched out on my 2015 hardtail, the extra reach to the bars (greater than RAD fit) meant that I did have a really hard time getting the front wheel up to practice manuals/wheelies/hops and things like that. I ride XC style, but don't currently race. My liking both fits, with a reach+stem difference of 25mm(!), for most riding shows how adaptable riders can be. But since I don't feel cramped or have difficulty at all with the RAD fit, even on the steepest climbs, I think I would choose that fit for my next XC style bike for the other benefits, even though I know most XC pros go longer.

Playing around in CAD, and I can duplicate the RAD fit of my '93 bike (including the angle of the RAD diagonal) with the 17.5 frame and a 50mm +6deg stem on a 10mm spacer, with the option of going lower and longer with a different stem if I want the XC racer fit (longer stem not at all out of place on XC pros bikes after all). The 19 frame would also work, but the seat tube is quite a bit taller. I had an issue with my legs rubbing the top tube when out of the saddle pedaling on my 19" 2015 bike, as well as basically having no standover clearance, so I like the lower top tube on the 17.5. I don't care about water bottle mounts, riding without water on my mountain bikes, so one cage is fine with me. Finally, I would likely be able to run a 140mm dropper on the 17.5 vs. 120mm on the 19. I haven't had a bike with a dropper, so 120mm it likely great already, but why not a bit more?

bruto

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2021, 01:16:14 AM »
when comparing older and newer frames by reach only, remember that steeper seat tube reduces effective length so the same reach won't mean the same feel
and with a slacker headtube each spacer under your bars reduces effective reach more

I bought cf7-213 in the smaller size, judging mostly by reach (if 430 feels fine on my hardtail with 69 HT/74 ST, why would it feel wrong on 65 HT/77 ST frame, right?) and it's short AF :) I'd really like to have those 25mm from the next size

looksee

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2021, 05:36:19 AM »
when comparing older and newer frames by reach only, remember that steeper seat tube reduces effective length so the same reach won't mean the same feel
and with a slacker headtube each spacer under your bars reduces effective reach more

I bought cf7-213 in the smaller size, judging mostly by reach (if 430 feels fine on my hardtail with 69 HT/74 ST, why would it feel wrong on 65 HT/77 ST frame, right?) and it's short AF :) I'd really like to have those 25mm from the next size

Maybe you are feeling the effect of suspension on reach, or do you not try to equalize saddle to bar distance on your bikes? On a hardtail, when the suspension is compressed, the reach only gets longer. On a full suspension bike, it stays about the same on average? I should consider that aspect more, since I've never had a full suspension bike.

I'm using reach to help decide on what the standing feel would be on a frame. It's a figure that helps locate the bars relative to the bottom bracket. And not just reach, reach at a comparable stack, which you can calculate using trig/CAD/or geometryCalc website, or carefully measure with the help of a level and plumb line. Reach at different stack heights are not comparable obviously because as you go higher up the steerer, the reach gets shorter. For my '93 bike, I measured and calculated reach at a stack above the 40mm spacer stack instead of at the top of the frame's headtube just to make it comparable to more modern bikes. For the record, reach on my '93 is only 377mm above the 40mm spacer stack at a stack of 586mm with the swapped longer fork. Reach calculated at the top of the headtube, the "actual" frame reach with this fork is 399mm at a stack of 532.5mm, but that stack is so low it's not comparable to any modern mountain bike frame, so I measure stack/reach where it's comparable, right under the stem.

I ignore the seat tube angle or effective top tube length because the fore-aft adjustment of the saddle is sufficient to move it into the right position with just about any seat tube angle at my seat height. For example, the now longer fork on my '93 Stumpjumper slacked the original angles out by 2.5 degrees, resulting in an insanely slack 70.5 seat tube angle. Yet I am able to slam the seat forward on a non-setback seatpost, and have the seat in a "modern" position. It's literally in the same place in space that it would be if I had a 75 degree seat angle with a setback seatpost. I don't have to shift my butt forward onto the nose at all on even the steepest climbs. In fact, that was my criteria for determining the fore-aft seat location (very different from how I would do it on a road bike). Maybe a taller person would have to pay attention to seat tube angle, because most actual seat tube angles on the bent/kinked seat tubes are slacker than the "effective" angle, so the taller you have the saddle, the more it goes back than you expect for the "effective" angle with height. But at my seat height, it's a complete non-issue - I can make any seat angle from 70 to maybe 78 work to put the seat in the same, right place.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 06:08:07 AM by looksee »

emu26

Re: Lexon "Riot 10"
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2021, 07:23:20 AM »
How does reach change with suspension movement?