Author Topic: Epic Evo Clone  (Read 80078 times)

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2023, 07:20:16 AM »
Also looks like the rear triangle is different from the evo otherwise i was thinking of just buying the linkage for the epic evo.

Yes, Evo linkage will not fit this frame. I did some testing and the frame might be capable of slightly more than 100mm travel, but I do not think you will get 110mm like the evo. That being said, with the leverage ratio of 2:1 max, you will need a very long stroke to get over 100mm of travel.  I also think that a 200mm shock will fit. FYI, my frame was advertised to have 122mm of travel, which is impossible with this linkage set-up.

Good luck to you building this up. My plan was 130 front and 120 rear, but since the frame isn't capable, I opted to return it. I was planning on reusing the suspension components I currently have, so to build a 100/100 capable XC bike (what this frame is designed for) would cost me a lot of unnecessary $$. If I had the XC suspension components already, or I was buying suspension specifically for this frame, I would have kept it.

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2023, 05:03:41 PM »
Yes, Evo linkage will not fit this frame. I did some testing and the frame might be capable of slightly more than 100mm travel, but I do not think you will get 110mm like the evo. That being said, with the leverage ratio of 2:1 max, you will need a very long stroke to get over 100mm of travel.  I also think that a 200mm shock will fit. FYI, my frame was advertised to have 122mm of travel, which is impossible with this linkage set-up.

Good luck to you building this up. My plan was 130 front and 120 rear, but since the frame isn't capable, I opted to return it. I was planning on reusing the suspension components I currently have, so to build a 100/100 capable XC bike (what this frame is designed for) would cost me a lot of unnecessary $$. If I had the XC suspension components already, or I was buying suspension specifically for this frame, I would have kept it.

Having a 100mm travel fork and a 190*40 shock, do you recommend the frame for 100-100 xc travel?

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2023, 05:34:26 PM »
Having a 100mm travel fork and a 190*40 shock, do you recommend the frame for 100-100 xc travel?

With 40mm stroke, you will only get less than 80mm rear travel I assume. Assumption is based on the fact that the regular epic get 100mm with 52.5 stroke, so this makes the leverage ratio less than 2:1.

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2023, 12:42:25 AM »
With 40mm stroke, you will only get less than 80mm rear travel I assume. Assumption is based on the fact that the regular epic get 100mm with 52.5 stroke, so this makes the leverage ratio less than 2:1.

With the ordinary shock need 190*40, with epic shock 200*50

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2023, 04:03:34 AM »
With the ordinary shock need 190*40, with epic shock 200*50

I tested the frame with 190x45mm shock and got approx 88mm of travel. It is tough to measure, but I definitely wasn't getting anything even close to 120mm of travel.

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2023, 06:35:37 AM »
I tested the frame with 190x45mm shock and got approx 88mm of travel. It is tough to measure, but I definitely wasn't getting anything even close to 120mm of travel.

88mm with the normal link?

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2023, 06:36:41 AM »

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2023, 06:39:35 AM »
Yes

But your frame have brain hole, i want the new design with no brain holes

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2023, 06:57:08 AM »
But your frame have brain hole, i want the new design with no brain holes

True, but I am not sure if the revised rear triangle is any different otherwise to make any impact on the amount of travel.

Main reason why the Evo has more travel is the linkage design which has a leverage ratio close to 3:1 vs 2:1 on the regular epic. 40mm stroke with 3:1 leverage is capable of 110+ travel.

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2023, 07:27:57 AM »
True, but I am not sure if the revised rear triangle is any different otherwise to make any impact on the amount of travel.

Main reason why the Evo has more travel is the linkage design which has a leverage ratio close to 3:1 vs 2:1 on the regular epic. 40mm stroke with 3:1 leverage is capable of 110+ travel.

your link is for evo o normal epic link?

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2023, 07:33:34 AM »
your link is for evo o normal epic link?

Normal epic as seen in the picture I posted.

Technic

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2023, 11:07:46 AM »
Normal epic as seen in the picture I posted.

Have photo or the link please???

wwwru

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2023, 11:16:51 AM »
Have photo or the link please???

Yeah, go look at reply #10, 18 and 19 of this threat. All the info is there.

plloppii

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2023, 10:38:00 PM »
Yes, Evo linkage will not fit this frame. I did some testing and the frame might be capable of slightly more than 100mm travel, but I do not think you will get 110mm like the evo. That being said, with the leverage ratio of 2:1 max, you will need a very long stroke to get over 100mm of travel.  I also think that a 200mm shock will fit. FYI, my frame was advertised to have 122mm of travel, which is impossible with this linkage set-up.

Good luck to you building this up. My plan was 130 front and 120 rear, but since the frame isn't capable, I opted to return it. I was planning on reusing the suspension components I currently have, so to build a 100/100 capable XC bike (what this frame is designed for) would cost me a lot of unnecessary $$. If I had the XC suspension components already, or I was buying suspension specifically for this frame, I would have kept it.


Haha i'm completely with you on that. I also had some hardware for a 130 front and 120 rear :(
I'm actually in contact with the supplier, im trying to wrestle with him, telling him that the link is not the evo link and the rear triangle is a bit longer. But hes convinced that the rear is the same haha.
I wish I could get the true dimensions of the epic evo rear triangle so I could send the supplier the evo rear link, and the factory could revise the design.

Its still and insanely goodlooking frame with the short comings of being marketed as the evo.

Its interesting that you tested and got less travel than the normal epic, which is 100mm.
Could you share how you got that measurement? I have the non brain rear triangle so I can see if mine is any different.

plloppii

Re: Epic Evo Clone
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2023, 10:43:19 PM »
I tested the frame with 190x45mm shock and got approx 88mm of travel. It is tough to measure, but I definitely wasn't getting anything even close to 120mm of travel.

with that kind of travel, might as well put a hard fork on it to make it a.... front tail?
maybe slap some gravel bars on it and call it a gravel bike