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turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2015, 05:23:08 PM »


Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2015, 07:10:11 AM »
I take back my previous post, I believe my frame does have small holes like you show.  Typically they are for drainage.
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turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2015, 08:33:12 PM »
Used a digital caliper to figure out what RWC Shock eye Needle bearing kit I needed.  I measured one side (closest to the seat post) at~22.7mm and the other side at ~22.2mm.  So I am going to order 2 NBKRWC2220 and not sure what shim kit yet.  The 6mm or 8mm? I need to measure a bolt to figure that out.  edit: its 8mm

Pics from another thread on mtbr showing an example of the (closest to the seat post) side.  Measured at 22.7mm


« Last Edit: January 14, 2015, 08:44:28 PM by turboenterprise »

turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2015, 01:45:18 PM »
Completed Pics.  I need to shorten the cables. Full Xloc Sprint was a bit tricky as I got some wrong parts.  The rear brake I ran on the bottom of the frame but I noticed others ran theirs through the frame which I think is the front derailleur hole. 




« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 01:48:32 PM by turboenterprise »

Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2015, 03:04:39 PM »
Used a digital caliper to figure out what RWC Shock eye Needle bearing kit I needed.  I measured one side (closest to the seat post) at~22.7mm and the other side at ~22.2mm.  So I am going to order 2 NBKRWC2220 and not sure what shim kit yet.  The 6mm or 8mm? I need to measure a bolt to figure that out.  edit: its 8mm

Pics from another thread on mtbr showing an example of the (closest to the seat post) side.  Measured at 22.7mm

If I remember, my shock mounting may also be 22.7/22.2, if there are three frames with those mounting dims, then I would say it is probably very consistent from frame to frame.  I didn't do the RWC bearings although I gave it some serious thought.  Instead I just installed the correctly sized FOX bushings which are a Teflon/Delrin material that seems to be very low friction.  Although the RWC needle bearing would be lowest friction overall.

Completed Pics.  I need to shorten the cables. Full Xloc Sprint was a bit tricky as I got some wrong parts.  The rear brake I ran on the bottom of the frame but I noticed others ran theirs through the frame which I think is the front derailleur hole. 

Given I didn't have a front derailleur, I ran the brake cable internal, just thought it would be cleaner that way and with no cables on the down tube, they don't get in the way of my bike rack.

Shorten your cables, and when you are comfortable with it, trim your steer tube.  Then your bike will be fully finished.  Maybe add some of those clear vinyl letters on that matte black paint :) for some accents.
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ponderosa

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2015, 04:41:40 PM »
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Instead I just installed the correctly sized FOX bushings which are a Teflon/Delrin material that seems to be very low friction.  Although the RWC needle bearing would be lowest friction overall.

Bike shop sized and put my bushings in, but I'll bet they're the same as Carbon dude's.  Would love to see a comparison of stock bolt/bushing with the RWC bearings if there was a way to quantify the friction.

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Given I didn't have a front derailleur, I ran the brake cable internal, just thought it would be cleaner that way and with no cables on the down tube, they don't get in the way of my bike rack.

Tried external too, just to start with.  But then ran internal, much cleaner.  Trimmed the cable while I was at it, get syringe and shimano funnel too (for shimano brakes) if you do, with those tools, its easy.
 
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Maybe add some of those clear vinyl letters on that matte black paint :) for some accents.

anyone know where these letters could be ordered online?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 09:32:27 PM by ponderosa »

turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 07:03:18 PM »
I have a question that I am trying to figure out between the two builds I have done. The ip057 I believe had eyelets that kept the brake lines and derailleur lines in place as they fed through the holes of the frame.  This made put them permanently in place.  The Ip036 didn't have eyelets to hold the cables in place so they are just floating in the frame holes.  What am I missing? I don't remember this on the Ip057.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Bicycle-Bike-Plastic-Brake-Cable-Housing-Ferrule-End-Caps-/151368179508 .. I think they are just these type of plastic pieces.  I can't remember if the bare cables were ran in the frame or with the plastic sleeve inserts. 
« Last Edit: February 12, 2015, 07:34:57 PM by turboenterprise »

Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2015, 06:53:40 AM »
The Ferrule is only used on the shifter cable(s) where you are not running a cable housing.  They are not used with hydraulic brake lines.  On my IP-056 I ran bare cable through the frame for the r/d, on the IP-036 the hole in the frame was large enough (barely) to run a full housing through the frame for the r/d so no ferrules were used at all on the FS bike.
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Oolak

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2015, 09:17:30 AM »
Awesome looking ride, turbo.. I'm interested in what you think of the Ardent race tyre. I'm currently trying to decide between a set of them and the Ikon 2.35s. Also, after you have a decent amount of saddle time, would love to hear your impression of the rear suspension performance.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2015, 09:19:46 AM by Oolak »

MTNRCKT

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2015, 09:28:29 AM »
Also, after you have a decent amount of saddle time, would love to hear your impression of the rear suspension performance.

I second this. So, I guess you're the second member to build both a chiner hardtail and chiner full suspension. Oh, the envy I feel :( ;D Now you and CD just need to add a fatty to complete the chiner collection.

Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2015, 09:51:26 AM »
I really like the rear suspension performance on my IP-036 with the Fox CTD BV shock and twin-loc remote.  I can select full lock, partial lock, or full open on the fly.  If I didn't have the remote, I would most likely just leave the shock in the partial lock (trail setting) as that setting provides enough travel for fast bumpy down hill runs but is still stiff enough not to be too active when pedaling uphill.

So I think much of the rear suspension performance is dependent on the shock design/tuning.  For me, I like a stiff rear shock for my XC/trail riding.  Some people may like a more plush setup in which a different shock setup is better for them.

turbo, as you get some miles on your XX1 setup, please keep us updated as to if you have any problems.  I was just reading that SRAM released a Type 2.1 clutch system late last year in all of their rear derailleurs.  There have been lots of complaints about the r/d creaking, possibly SRAM addressed this with a minor update.  Please check and let me know if yours is a Type 2 or Type 2.1.
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turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2015, 07:26:56 PM »
I have entire season under the belt with the IP-057 and I really like the pedal to power output.  Every pedal is instant acceleration with the hardtail.  I will tell you though on 15+ mile rides the hard tail starts to wear me down on anything technical. 

I only have two rides on the 036 and I find myself locking out the front and rear with the xloc full sprint pretty regularly.  I am going through all 120mm of travel up front and in the rear shock at the respective weight to air ratios.  I am not sure what to think about this yet or if its ok or if I need to up the air.  I definitely feel more in control of the bike with the FS and it feels faster in downhills.  The smoothness of riding over technical terrain is very easy. 

The only problem I have had with the derailleur is just stretch of the cables and trying to get it to shift back in the top gear. I can absolutely tell the difference in the crispness of shifting between the new bike and old though. 

How do I determine whether it is 2.0 or 2.1?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2015, 07:28:59 PM by turboenterprise »

Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2015, 12:41:15 PM »
My Fox shock can go up to 250psi according to the tech.  I think I have 180psi in it and it rides very nice, I don't go through 100% of the travel at that pressure.  Your shock may need more air, particularly if you like a stiffer ride.

I've timed myself on my IP-057 & IP-036, the FS is faster for me on the same trail loop.

As for the derailleur, my XX1 setup shifts just as well on both bikes, never had any cable stretch issues.  I also don't have much of a service loop near the bottom bracket.



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turboenterprise

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2015, 06:46:40 PM »
So after a trip to the bike store after I couldn't figure out why the Ip057 frame had inserts for the brakeline etc and the ip036 didn't, I am back to the drawing board.  I need to find frame inserts for the running of the cables.  I'd email Peter but I think he changed jobs.

So anyone has reference...

The inserts keep the brake line from moving and hold them in place and then you can place a bare wire inside.

Carbon_Dude

Re: Time to Build Another One - IP-036 (completed on page 2)
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2015, 06:58:47 PM »
Neither my IP-057 or my IP-036 have inserts (or end caps) where the cables enter or exit.  I suppose the caps do finish the openings a bit nicer but they are not necessary if the frame isn't designed for them.
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2014 -036 Full Suspension Chiner (Sold)
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