Frame req? (Aero, dropped SS, high stack, short reach)

[ENEP]

Hi everybody

Looking for frame recommendations. I've searched but maybe missed frames.
Love the looks of an aero frame with dropped seat stays, deep down tube and integrated routing with one-piece handlebar/stem. I don't mind the hassle of building/servicing.
However i'm not so flexibel so looking for above attributes in combination with short reach/high stack. Body stats: 186cm, 88cm inseam.
I've been trying on a borrowed bike with 590mm top tube, 401mm reach, 590mm stack, 15mm stemspacer and 80mm stem. Not perfect fit but doable, a bit shorter reach would be ideal if possible.

Findings:
Tantan/seraph TT-X34, size XL, TT 574, Reach 399, stack 584.
Shorter TT and reach and lower stack compared. Maybe doable with stemspacer and shortish stem/bar.

Velobuild
(not sure about the pinarello copy cat looks)
VBR218, size XXL, TT 575mm, reach 396, stack 585
Shorter TT and reach and lower stack compared. Maybe doable with stemspacer and shortish stem/bar.

Carbonda (not full on aero looks but still a viable option if no other option..)
CFR 1056, size L TT 560, reach 385, stack 589
CFR 1056, size XL, TT 580, reach 393, stack 610

SEKA (shorter and higher, great looks, bit priecy maybe for a china frame)
Exceed, size XL, TT 575, reach 394, stack 594

Any other options?

[svanimpe]

Hi ENEP,

We seem to have a similar body type. Keep in mind that high stack + low reach = upright position, so not usually found on an aero frame, rather a gravel or endurance frame. In your case, you definitely need to find something with a lower reach, as an 80mm stem is way too short for you to put on an aero frame. Aero frames generally have a short wheelbase and steep head tube angle, which you need to pair with a longer stem, or you end up with an extremely twitchy bike.

I've briefly tried the Carbonda 1056 for it's lower reach/higher stack (it's an endurance frame), but the wheelbase was already too short for my 90mm stem and 40cm handlebars. I'm currently on a Carbonda 696, which is a good fit for me.

For my next build, I'm going for a Yishun G075-D, which is about the only frame that has a short enough reach for me not to have to flip my stem up (which isn't possible with integrated cables). Here's an example build from a local brand (that charges way too much):

[xandilly]

Hi ENEP,

We seem to have a similar body type. Keep in mind that high stack + low reach = upright position, so not usually found on an aero frame, rather a gravel or endurance frame. In your case, you definitely need to find something with a lower reach, as an 80mm stem is way too short for you to put on an aero frame. Aero frames generally have a short wheelbase and steep head tube angle, which you need to pair with a longer stem, or you end up with an extremely twitchy bike.

I've briefly tried the Carbonda 1056 for it's lower reach/higher stack (it's an endurance frame), but the wheelbase was already too short for my 90mm stem and 40cm handlebars. I'm currently on a Carbonda 696, which is a good fit for me.

For my next build, I'm going for a Yishun G075-D, which is about the only frame that has a short enough reach for me not to have to flip my stem up (which isn't possible with integrated cables). Here's an example build from a local brand (that charges way too much):

Hi svanimpe,

Currently eyeing the 1056 frame and was wondering if you could offer any insight? Am incidentally also about the same build - 186cm, 88cm inseam - and not sure whether to pick between a size L and XL, what was your experience?

Thanks

[Daviddavieboy]

Short reach, high stack aero looking bike describes a Pinarello X. Unfortunately there are none like this being made at the moment. When one comes along I will be the first in line. AHEM @PeterXU

[jeffrey]

Short reach, high stack aero looking bike describes a Pinarello X. Unfortunately there are none like this being made at the moment. When one comes along I will be the first in line. AHEM @PeterXU

And I would be second

I really can't understand why Chinese manufacturers will pump out so many overlapping low-stack, long-reach frames and leave the endurance side almost empty (especially if you want some wider -but not gravel wide- tire clearance too)

[jfcb]

As a tall guy (192cm) with long legs, I have a similar prefference concerning high stack; short reach frames.
Frames I can recommend:
-Dengfu R12: a very underrated frame, loved it and solid as a tank. After a couple of years, I sold it since I wanted something new.
- ICAN A9: A great aero frame, ideally for racing. Initially I found it a bit harsh to ride, but with the 28mm tire trend (or even 30 nowadays), it's perfect. Not superlight but I've build it up around 7.3kg with 50mm wheels in XL.
- Adapt B01 cfr Tavelo attack: lightweight aero allround frame and love it very much, especially the handling.

With none of the above frames I have had any issues conerning specs, tolerances and installation. They are all sub 1000euro for which you get great value compared to some other chinese brans i.e.Winspace.

[rwtbne]

Can you buy directy from ADAPT?

[jfcb]

Can you buy directy from ADAPT?

I asked for it and it was ok. Meanwhile I read on the forum others got 'rejected'. I think it depends on the timing,location and model since some small brands disclose sales for a certain area o a specific model.
Similar with Workswell, I see people being able to buy their frames while everytime I asked it their reply is "we only sell B2B".