@ PaxiH Heard similar said about bikes like (high modulus carbon) the Sworks Tarmac SL7, SL8. Seka Exceed RDC, Cannondale LAB71 SuperSix Evo. Racall in a cam nicholls examination of the seka Exceed RDC it was pointed out that one needs to be more careful with these frames because, vs a low modulous carbin bike, they won't fare as well in a crash