Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)

[dinorello]

My bad, sorry.

In this case, anyone else who had Wendy tried to "convince" them to use Family and Friends?

Still no for me.

How do you say in your country " douchebag"?

[jefflinde]

Anyone else had Wendy ask them top as with PayPal friends and family? We have several people buying from Lc, we could have more evidence of this?

No,  i have ordered from them probably 10+ times and every time i am given the 3 or 4 options that others have provided.  I have paid F&F a few times as at this point i am pretty confident that i will get my stuff and if there is an issue, it will get sorted out in a satisfactory way.  so why not save 4.5%, especially on a $1500+ order?   

[dinorello]

No,  i have ordered from them probably 10+ times and every time i am given the 3 or 4 options that others have provided.  I have paid F&F a few times as at this point i am pretty confident that i will get my stuff and if there is an issue, it will get sorted out in a satisfactory way.  so why not save 4.5%, especially on a $1500+ order?

Unless you're funding PayPal directly out of your bank account you'll be charged 4 and 1/2% from your credit card company anyway, plus you'll be losing any recourse if the business doesn't follow through on your order

[neobiker]

Unless you're funding PayPal directly out of your bank account you'll be charged 4 and 1/2% from your credit card company anyway, plus you'll be losing any recourse if the business doesn't follow through on your order

The first statement (credit card charging 4.5% even with F&F) seems quite unordinary, or at least quite specific to your own case.  My own provider never charged me more than the amount I sent for F&F.

Do you have ta source/example of your claim?

[neobiker]

How do you say in your country " douchebag"?

We call it "bona fides".

[Serge_K]

The first statement (credit card charging 4.5% even with F&F) seems quite unordinary, or at least quite specific to your own case.  My own provider never charged me more than the amount I sent for F&F.

Do you have ta source/example of your claim?

Yeah, on payment fees, I use Revolut, usually, and they charge me....  i dont remember how much for SWIFT wires. I have the option to pay 2 kinds of fees (often the seller asks for more because of these variable SWIFT fees, because they want to make sure they get the invoice amount in their account). Anyway. I think it costs me 10-20$ for a SWIFT. 15/600 is 2.5%. If you spend more, given the fee is (from memory) flat, it goes down.
If you're shrewd, you can also sometimes pay via wechat.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
I do my very best never to use paypal for anything anymore. I hate them with a passion. As a European, their fees & overall incompetence are just insulting to me.

[dinorello]

The first statement (credit card charging 4.5% even with F&F) seems quite unordinary, or at least quite specific to your own case.  My own provider never charged me more than the amount I sent for F&F.

Do you have ta source/example of your claim?

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If you Google it, it should come up. It might be closer to 3%, plus a fee

[neobiker]

Yeah, on payment fees, I use Revolut, usually, and they charge me....  i dont remember how much for SWIFT wires. I have the option to pay 2 kinds of fees (often the seller asks for more because of these variable SWIFT fees, because they want to make sure they get the invoice amount in their account). Anyway. I think it costs me 10-20$ for a SWIFT. 15/600 is 2.5%. If you spend more, given the fee is (from memory) flat, it goes down.
If you're shrewd, you can also sometimes pay via wechat.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
I do my very best never to use paypal for anything anymore. I hate them with a passion. As a European, their fees & overall incompetence are just insulting to me.

Is your experience based on using PayPal Friend and family or just standard wiring of money?

[neobiker]

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If you Google it, it should come up. It might be closer to 3%, plus a fee

The reason I ask you is because o specifically Googled it and found no evidence of a fee of you use a debit Mastercard for example, but you might have other fees if you use a credit and don't repay the debt ASAP. So I wanted you to provide something specific.

Anyways, let's close this. It would have been trivial to prove your point with a simple screenshot of the message, and l would have trusted you. Otherwise, I would advise anyone else who reads us to weigh the evidence and make their own conclusion about the reliability of the claims.

[dinorello]

The reason I ask you is because o specifically Googled it and found no evidence of a fee of you use a debit Mastercard for example, but you might have other fees if you use a credit and don't repay the debt ASAP. So I wanted you to provide something specific.

Anyways, let's close this. It would have been trivial to prove your point with a simple screenshot of the message, and l would have trusted you. Otherwise, I would advise anyone else who reads us to weigh the evidence and make their own conclusion about the reliability of the claims.

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Using a debit card wouldn't incur fees just as if you had cash in your account.  You'd still lose any protection from PayPal if there was a dispute when using  the friends and family option on PayPal

[ancientone]

Yeah, on payment fees, I use Revolut, usually, and they charge me....  i dont remember how much for SWIFT wires. I have the option to pay 2 kinds of fees (often the seller asks for more because of these variable SWIFT fees, because they want to make sure they get the invoice amount in their account). Anyway. I think it costs me 10-20$ for a SWIFT. 15/600 is 2.5%. If you spend more, given the fee is (from memory) flat, it goes down.
If you're shrewd, you can also sometimes pay via wechat.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
I do my very best never to use paypal for anything anymore. I hate them with a passion. As a European, their fees & overall incompetence are just insulting to me.

When paypal started, they actually deliberately hide their telephone number so that you can never call them. If they randomly decides that they want your personal information, they will just freeze your money and there is nothing much you can do. I'm guessing Elon Musk was behind those policies.

[ancientone]

How do you say in your country " douchebag"?

I didn't see her pushing for Paypal FF but nevertheless, I've been scammed by China sellers before. Wasn't bicycle parts but it was somebody I had purchased from a couple of times , each purchase less than $1000/= without issue. The final order was quite large and I though I could save a few bucks in the fees. The seller ghosted me after that...  So important thing to keep in mind is that even your best friend might murder you for the right amount of money......

[dinorello]

I didn't see her pushing for Paypal FF but nevertheless, I've been scammed by China sellers before. Wasn't bicycle parts but it was somebody I had purchased from a couple of times , each purchase less than $1000/= without issue. The final order was quite large and I though I could save a few bucks in the fees. The seller ghosted me after that...  So important thing to keep in mind is that even your best friend might murder you for the right amount of money......

My "douchebag" comment wasn't directed at LightCarbon or Wendy who was helpful throughout the ordering process.   The issue happened after delivery of the frame which I now believe was one of the prototypes that was used to test which was why it had been initially primed white prior to it being painted black.  Wendy was only following "orders" in her subordinating role as a customer rep.   Other than her playing dumb to the issues and eventually getting upset that I filled a dispute with paypal she was always nice. 

[dinorello]

We call it "bona fides".

How does douchebag translate to "bona fides"?

[Joselu]

Has anyone experienced issues with the seatpost clamp and saddle? Mine makes a creaking noise when I apply some watts on the uphills. I haven’t applied any grease since the saddle rails already have a designated clamping area. 

Does anyone have any tips or advice? Here's the saddle I’m using:https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006893754548.html