Author Topic: Workswell WCB-M-062  (Read 236094 times)

german88

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #465 on: July 25, 2016, 07:02:58 PM »
Where did you source the chain stay protector?  Looks like it was molded for the frame...

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Frame: Workswell WCB-M-062 18,5", QR adapters fitted:  1261 g
Fork: Rock Shox SID 29 RCT3 solo air cut steerer:  1541 g
QR15 front: Extralite Blacklock RS:  27 g
QR rear: Extralite Alien 4:  22 g
Headset: noname 1.125" - 1.5" integrated, excl starnut/topcap/bolt:  70 g
Starnut: FSA steel:  10 g
Topcap+bolt: absoluteBLACK alu all-in-one:  3 g
Spacers: noname carbon 2 x 5mm:  4 g
GPS mount: K-Edge stem mount fixed angle, 5mm integrated spacer:  20 g
Stem: Syntace F109 6deg 100mm with titanium screws:  113 g
Handlebar: Niner Flat Top RDO 710mm:  158 g
Bar plugs: ESI logo removed:  4 g
Grips: ESI racer's edge:  43 g
Seatpost: Syntace P6 full carbon 27.2mm/400mm:  231 g
Seatpost clamp: Carbon-Ti X Clamp 3 31.8mm:  8 g
Saddle: Selle Italia SLR kit carbonio flow black:  123 g
Shifter: Shimano XTR 10 speed incl Hope Race lever clamp:  102 g
Crankarms: SRAM X01 carbon GXP 175mm:  476 g
Crankboots: Race Face black plastic (large):  17 g
Chainrings: absoluteBLACK SRAM spiderless 34T Oval alu:  67 g
Bottom Bracket: Hope BSA stainless steel incl 1 spacer + GXP spacer:  116 g
Cassette: SRAM XX 11-36 incl alu lockring:  213 g
Rear derailleur: Shimano XTR 10 speed shadow GS (medium cage):  217 g
Chain: KMC X10SL DLC black:  232 g
Pedals: Xpedo M-FORCE 8-TI:  219 g
Shift cables: Shimano SP41 continuous outer + inner:  90 g
Brakes: Hope Race Evo X2 set, incl pads and clampbolts, excl lower clamp:  400 g
Caliper bolts: Hope titanium:  12 g
Rotor front: KCNC Razor 160mm:  73 g
Rotor rear: KCNC Razor 160mm:  73 g
Rotor bolts: Carbon-Ti titanium M5x10 T25 12x:  13,8 g
Hub front: Carbon-Ti MTB SL X hub 100mm QR15 - 32H:  110 g
Rim front: Duke Lucky Jack 2016 incl white stickers:  355 g
Spokes front: Sapim CX Ray (L+R:32x 292mm):  154 g
Nipples front: Sapim Polyax alu 12mm 32x:  10 g
Rim tape front: Notubes yellow tape 25mm:  7 g
Valve front: Schwalbe black aluminium:  4,5 g
Tire front: Continental RaceKing RaceSport 2,2:  540 g
Hub rear: Carbon-Ti MTB SL X hub 135mm QR - 32H:  197 g
Rim rear: Duke Lucky Jack 2016 incl white stickers:  350 g
Spokes rear: Sapim CX Ray (L:16x 292mm + R:16x 290mm):  153 g
Nipples rear: Sapim Polyax alu 12mm 32x:  10 g
Rim tape rear: Notubes yellow tape 25mm:  7 g
Valve rear: Schwalbe black aluminium:  4,5 g
Tire rear: Continental RaceKing RaceSport 2,2:  542 g
Bottle cage: Tune Wasserträger Universal carbon incl 2 alu bolts:  20 g
Bottle cage bolts:  Silicon bolt plug 3x:  0,75 g
Other:  latex / frame protection / grease / dirt ---> to reach scale weight:  166 g
TOTAL WEIGHT:  8590 g

A lot of latex in the RaceSport tires, difficult to seal.

tripleDot

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #466 on: July 25, 2016, 11:26:11 PM »
Where did you source the chain stay protector?  Looks like it was molded for the frame...

Have to second this.  I love that it is attached at the back allowing us to see the chain stay, which is nice when you have a painted frame.
July 2020 - Custom Waltly Ti 29er
Nov 2018 - Custom Waltly Ti Gravel
Apr 2018 - CS-496 29x3.0 - stripped
Feb 2018 - CS-RB01 (SS Road)
Sep 2016 - CS-RB01 (road sold)
Jun 2016 - Chinese CF XC - stripped
Mar 2016 - Haro Projekt (sold)
Feb 2008 - Jamis Durango 29 (sold)
Mar 2001 - Scott Scale (sold)

Jar_head

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #467 on: July 26, 2016, 01:24:17 AM »
Workswell WCB-M-062: 7905 grams
Focus Cayo Evo 2.0: 6260 grams

For sale: http://bikemarkt.mtb-news.de/user/193302

german88

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #468 on: July 26, 2016, 09:25:11 AM »
Thanks!  Great looking bike BTW...  I'm working on #2 which is the same frame in the 27.5" version for my brother.  Can't wait to log some miles.

The protector is Slapper Tape.

There you go. And here's a link: https://www.bike-components.de/de/MarshGuard/Slapper-Tape-Kettenstrebenschutz-p40724/

tingle3003

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062:
« Reply #469 on: July 31, 2016, 06:23:07 AM »
Hello!
New to the forum, new to 29"-bikes...

Planning on a new bike to build up over the year - so i'm collecting parts and infos at the moment.
The idea is to create something which i can use for touring, getting out and do quite some miles a day, without caring about the terrain - aka a Gravelgrinder.
Therefore I would like to use a big chainring, something around 50T to be able to put up some speed.
But Iam wondering:

Does the M-062 fit such an big chainring? The Diameter of a 50T chainring is ~21cm.
Would somebody who runs the frame, measure it and give me note if it would interfere with the frame or not?

Thanks and hello from germany.


tingle3003

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #470 on: July 31, 2016, 06:26:57 AM »
Thanks!  Great looking bike BTW...  I'm working on #2 which is the same frame in the 27.5" version for my brother.  Can't wait to log some miles.

Are you talking about the Workswell WCB-M-062 as an 27.5"?
If yes: Where can I find it?

bxcc

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062:
« Reply #471 on: July 31, 2016, 07:22:29 AM »
Hello!
New to the forum, new to 29"-bikes...

Planning on a new bike to build up over the year - so i'm collecting parts and infos at the moment.
The idea is to create something which i can use for touring, getting out and do quite some miles a day, without caring about the terrain - aka a Gravelgrinder.
Therefore I would like to use a big chainring, something around 50T to be able to put up some speed.
But Iam wondering:

Does the M-062 fit such an big chainring? The Diameter of a 50T chainring is ~21cm.
Would somebody who runs the frame, measure it and give me note if it would interfere with the frame or not?

Thanks and hello from germany.



How many rings will it have up front? The more rings you have (1, 2, or 3) the further out the largest ring is. We need to know the effective chainline of the 50t ring to get an accurate measurement.

tingle3003

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062:
« Reply #472 on: July 31, 2016, 07:40:27 AM »
How many rings will it have up front? The more rings you have (1, 2, or 3) the further out the largest ring is. We need to know the effective chainline of the 50t ring to get an accurate measurement.

Thinking about getting an SRAM CX1 / 1x11. So it would be just the one 50T-Ring.

I would probably also go with an BSA-bb.
(Do the different Bottom Bracket have an significant difference in width - meaning the resulting chainline / distance to the frame?)
« Last Edit: July 31, 2016, 07:43:32 AM by tingle3003 »

bxcc

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062:
« Reply #473 on: July 31, 2016, 09:34:36 AM »
How many rings will it have up front? The more rings you have (1, 2, or 3) the further out the largest ring is. We need to know the effective chainline of the 50t ring to get an accurate measurement.

Thinking about getting an SRAM CX1 / 1x11. So it would be just the one 50T-Ring.

I would probably also go with an BSA-bb.
(Do the different Bottom Bracket have an significant difference in width - meaning the resulting chainline / distance to the frame?)

I highly doubt it will work with a 1x setup. For reference, I have the BSA bb with a SRAM GXP crankset / bottom bracket setup. The crankset is made for a 3x setup but I'm using the middle spot for the 32t ring and the outer spot for a bash ring. If I increased the diameter of the bash ring to match your 21cm measurement, it should work but will be very close. The downside is you would have to use the outer most option and the chain line really wouldn't work when you're in your granny gear. That being said, you might have to look at different frames or consider a different gear ratio as there is no way a 50t would fit in the middle ring option.

carbonazza

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #474 on: July 31, 2016, 09:44:37 AM »
I'm afraid it won't work.
I run an oval 34 on it, that makes 15cm.
There would be enough space for 16, maybe 16.5cm but not more.

The chainline of the CX may be different, but I doubt you could add 4-5cm to it.

iamsimon

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #475 on: August 01, 2016, 03:09:29 AM »
Hello!
New to the forum, new to 29"-bikes...

Planning on a new bike to build up over the year - so i'm collecting parts and infos at the moment.
The idea is to create something which i can use for touring, getting out and do quite some miles a day, without caring about the terrain - aka a Gravelgrinder.
Therefore I would like to use a big chainring, something around 50T to be able to put up some speed.
But Iam wondering:

Does the M-062 fit such an big chainring? The Diameter of a 50T chainring is ~21cm.
Would somebody who runs the frame, measure it and give me note if it would interfere with the frame or not?

Thanks and hello from germany.

IMHO 50T is way too big to be running on that type of bike.

Im building up a similar style bike around one of these frames at the moment, actually most of my parts arrived today, just waiting on the workswell frame/fork :D

Im going to be running 2 x 10sp XT, will have plenty of range for speed on fireroads etc and also to easily climb whilst loaded up with bikepacking bags etc.

Ive also got a touring/gravel grinder/cyclocross bike which is set up with 11speed shimano, currently have a 48t big ring and would not want to go any bigger on that, off road with decent tires (even on road on this type of frame) i think you'll find 50T waaaay to big.

Anyway thats just my 2c.

Jerryno

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #476 on: August 01, 2016, 04:06:22 AM »
Your best option is the CS-MB001 frame that can accommodate up to 40T 1x11 chainring.

http://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1392

http://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=650.0

Usual MTB frames allow up to 36T 1x11. There is a thread about this here: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,627.0.html (in those days fast-geared MTB bikes were not a thing so a lot of discussion is about why the hell I would need a bigger chainring)

To have 50T chainring you need a 3xsomething setup for sure. Or you need a cyclocross frame with some big tires.

tingle3003

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062:
« Reply #477 on: August 01, 2016, 07:16:50 AM »
I'm afraid it won't work.
I run an oval 34 on it, that makes 15cm.
There would be enough space for 16, maybe 16.5cm but not more.

The chainline of the CX may be different, but I doubt you could add 4-5cm to it.

I highly doubt it will work with a 1x setup. For reference, I have the BSA bb with a SRAM GXP crankset / bottom bracket setup. The crankset is made for a 3x setup but I'm using the middle spot for the 32t ring and the outer spot for a bash ring. If I increased the diameter of the bash ring to match your 21cm measurement, it should work but will be very close. The downside is you would have to use the outer most option and the chain line really wouldn't work when you're in your granny gear. That being said, you might have to look at different frames or consider a different gear ratio as there is no way a 50t would fit in the middle ring option.

Thanks both of you for measuring it up!
That gives me at least the space I can calculate with - if I would stick with frame.

IMHO 50T is way too big to be running on that type of bike.

Im building up a similar style bike around one of these frames at the moment, actually most of my parts arrived today, just waiting on the workswell frame/fork :D

Im going to be running 2 x 10sp XT, will have plenty of range for speed on fireroads etc and also to easily climb whilst loaded up with bikepacking bags etc.

Ive also got a touring/gravel grinder/cyclocross bike which is set up with 11speed shimano, currently have a 48t big ring and would not want to go any bigger on that, off road with decent tires (even on road on this type of frame) i think you'll find 50T waaaay to big.

Anyway thats just my 2c.

You are probably right.
50T is just the chainring I have on two of my bikes, making me believe I have to stick with it.

But with your comment in mind I did check on my bike to get my "normal-speed" gear and that ratio.

      Chainring   Sprocket   Ratio   Feel
Fixed   50T   18T   2,77   mostly good
MTB   46T   16T   2,87   average gear
MTB   46T   14T   3,28   good speed - could go higher
Road   50T   17T   2,94   average gear
Road   50T   11T   4,54   Never really used

My normal Ratio is somewhat around 2,9. Highest speed should be okay with something around 4.0.

Therefore I though I could think about an 42T up front, still having enough average-speed sprockets i can choose from (14-15T would result in 3.0 and 2.8 ), having the highest ratio at 3.81 on the 11T-Sprocket.

Still: Fitting an 42T as a Chainring still seems a lil bit tricky... But at least its one step closer ;)

tingle3003

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #478 on: August 01, 2016, 07:24:16 AM »
Your best option is the CS-MB001 frame that can accommodate up to 40T 1x11 chainring.

http://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1392

http://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=650.0

Usual MTB frames allow up to 36T 1x11. There is a thread about this here: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,627.0.html (in those days fast-geared MTB bikes were not a thing so a lot of discussion is about why the hell I would need a bigger chainring)

To have 50T chainring you need a 3xsomething setup for sure. Or you need a cyclocross frame with some big tires.

Thanks for the hint on that frame (AND THREAD) - though I dont really like the futuristic-look of it. But I will keep it in mind.
In the beginning I also had an Cyclocross frame in my mind, but I would like to run an Suspension-Fork. Therefore I switched to an MTB frame, so I dont have any troubles with geometry.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2016, 10:24:41 AM by tingle3003 »

Jerryno

Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« Reply #479 on: August 01, 2016, 07:36:51 AM »
My normal Ratio is somewhat around 2,9. Highest speed should be okay with something around 4.0.

Yes, that is also what corresponds to my findings. For the low-end I found 0.8 is enough. If you cannot climb with 0.8 ratio you cannot walk and you need to rest. TO have this range you need a 2x10 or 2x11 setup or 1x12 setup.