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Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #525 on: April 01, 2025, 02:39:59 AM »
A week ago I also ordered a frame in size 58. Chameleon white.
In addition, wheels from Peter - 50mm/50mm (1160g), Shimano 105 di2, 3D Ryet Saddle, OSPW Ryet, Titanium SpeedPlay pedals and Magene P505 powermeter. I hope that in mid-may the frame will be delivered
Hi,
by chameleon white do you mean pearl white?
I was also looking at Ryet saddles...which model did you get?
Thanks

JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #526 on: April 01, 2025, 04:11:58 AM »


Hi,
by chameleon white do you mean pearl white?
I was also looking at Ryet saddles...which model did you get?
Thanks

Ryet 3D Aircode 155mm with carbon shell
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwTllLE

Pearl white is different.
Chameleon white https://www.instagram.com/reel/DC3tCBTtIZ1/?igsh=MW82bmRjazg2cmltMg==

j0lsrud

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #527 on: April 01, 2025, 05:00:32 AM »
A week ago I also ordered a frame in size 58. Chameleon white.
In addition, wheels from Peter - 50mm/50mm (1160g), Shimano 105 di2, 3D Ryet Saddle, OSPW Ryet, Titanium SpeedPlay pedals and Magene P505 powermeter. I hope that in mid-may the frame will be delivered

Are these XM-wheels? Do you mind elaborating on the specifications and price for the wheels?

Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #528 on: April 01, 2025, 05:27:17 AM »

Pearl white is different.
Chameleon white https://www.instagram.com/reel/DC3tCBTtIZ1/?igsh=MW82bmRjazg2cmltMg==
The color seems to have shades of pink....can you confirm or am I seeing incorrectly?

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #529 on: April 01, 2025, 06:43:59 AM »
Yep sorted and trigger pulled!

After payment, the shipment will be completed in 20-25 working days.
Shipping to the UK: about 10-18 days.
The factory has been very busy recently, and the orders have increased dramatically.
Thank you.


May get actual RAW frame and get it finished myself as lead in is only 7-10 days fir this but that’s also bars and seatpost

Cool. Curious as to why you folks with actual sl8's are ordering these...

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #530 on: April 01, 2025, 07:21:41 AM »
Cool. Curious as to why you folks with actual sl8's are ordering these...

less expensive second bike for Winters in UK.
Plus i buy western brands and I also follow Chinese products closely as well, as but them.
I had a second bike Winspace SLC2.0 with hyper wheels but It was a little to small and I am bored so need a new project.
Tan Tan X68
XM Carbon speed Wheels 60f 65 & Carbon Crank
Ultegra Di2 Groupset
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

Lero970

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #531 on: April 01, 2025, 07:24:42 AM »
less expensive second bike for Winters in UK.
Plus i buy western brands and I also follow Chinese products closely as well, as but them.
I had a second bike Winspace SLC2.0 with hyper wheels but It was a little to small and I am bored so need a new project.
Tan Tan X68
XM Carbon speed Wheels 60f 65 & Carbon Crank
Ultegra Di2 Groupset

Sorry for the off-topic but may I ask which carbon crank you plan on using? Thanks in advance.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #532 on: April 01, 2025, 12:48:25 PM »
Sorry for the off-topic but may I ask which carbon crank you plan on using? Thanks in advance.


Well I have literally just purchase some wheels from DFS Carbon (based in Xiamen)and also there crank.
Have ordered a set of 60-65mm deep 25mm inner width Superlight T1000 UD Paintless Rims 20-20H H-Works Hubs which are generic as everyone seems to be using these and 5mm at carbon spokes.
Cranks is 170mm UD Raw Gloss with 24mm Ti axle including Alu spider, again this design is generic like they are all but they have tested against Cybrei Eliliee THM sram etc well allegedly they sent data.
doing managed to get the wheels and cranks with delivery tax free (thats i take with a pinch of salt
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #533 on: Today at 03:13:41 AM »
The color seems to have shades of pink....can you confirm or am I seeing incorrectly?

Don't think so. But I don't have a frame yet so can' confirm for 100%

Kris

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #534 on: Today at 03:41:27 AM »
After bought and build several Velobuild frames I would like to go ahead with this frame as a next project.
But as always, I’m doubting about the paintjob.

Does anyone has experience with an ice crack paint job? Is this the same quality as a ‘normal’ paintjob?
It costs 3times as much as a standard paintjob (90 vs 280) so I want to be sure that at least the quality is the same.
Any other opinions why not to go ahead with this paintjob, please give your comments.

I added a picture from a different frame to give you an idea about the paintjob if you are not familiar with this.

Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #535 on: Today at 04:04:57 AM »
+1 on that. The layup know-how is with the factories, not the brands, at this point, i'm pretty sure. Westerners don't like going to and spending time in China. Some brands will do in house prototypes, you'd have to trust that the factory would replicate the layup - i'd question that. Most brands don't do any layup, they ask the factory to get the frame to be that stiff in that area, to weigh that much, and voila. I'm convinced that if you're not on the factory floor, you don't know your product. Especially in China.

People locally talk, they learn, they switch companies, they start their own thing, they moonlight. Techniques are getting better, know-how is getting better, and know-how is spreading.

On price, i heard that the factory that makes frames for Factor charges Factor less than $500 per frame...

Now, can you buy a fake SL8 and get something indistinguishable? No idea. But we're not talking rocket ships. And with tyres getting bigger, all this air will mute a lot of differences. And even if back to back, you may be able to tell the difference, ride whichever frame 5x and you'll probably forget how the other one felt. For probably 90% of riders (the last 10% would be racers, sprinters and the likes).
Speaking of know-how, these are the words of CEO Colnago in an interview: "We have the V Series which, like almost all racing bikes made in the world, comes from Asian countries (China and Taiwan). And not for price reasons but because they have developed notable skills on carbon there".

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #536 on: Today at 06:55:01 AM »
Speaking of know-how, these are the words of CEO Colnago in an interview: "We have the V Series which, like almost all racing bikes made in the world, comes from Asian countries (China and Taiwan). And not for price reasons but because they have developed notable skills on carbon there".


Well I agree with Serge_K
Things i have noticed in the last 4 years have taken a massive leap, and yes knowhow is spread.
Joe Whittingham also say this in his YT China Cycling channel or interviews he has had with other you tubers.
People move around gain knowledge an pass knowledge on so everything keeps getting better and the Chinese have caught on and are developing there own brands as that is where the $$$ is
Xiamen obviously is where at is at for the industry
   
                                                       Xiamen                                Shenzhen/Guangdong                            
Specialization in Bike Frames   ✅ Yes, major hub                     ❌ Not primary                            
Carbon Fiber Application             Mostly bicycles   & Wheels             More tech & drones                  
Production Costs                 Lower than Shenzhen                   Higher labour & land costs        
Presence of Big Brands          Many OEMs/ODMs                             Few frame makers   

I'm very very interested to see this frame when I receive and build it against the real thing, it may possibly get to a point where I stop buying the western brands
Same is for watches I have well a pricey watch and now the $1000 copies are near on indistinguishable and need experts to make assessments to there authenticity, as people are getting caught out buying as genuine which may just happen with the bikes.
I buy a real one  and a copy and get it same colour decals etc and dont register real frame  and sell it with warranty there you go!     
And before anyone says anything no I am not planning to do this I do have a moral compass!     
   
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

Rebel_Yell

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #537 on: Today at 07:25:57 AM »

Well I have literally just purchase some wheels from DFS Carbon (based in Xiamen)and also there crank.
Have ordered a set of 60-65mm deep 25mm inner width Superlight T1000 UD Paintless Rims 20-20H H-Works Hubs which are generic as everyone seems to be using these and 5mm at carbon spokes.
Cranks is 170mm UD Raw Gloss with 24mm Ti axle including Alu spider, again this design is generic like they are all but they have tested against Cybrei Eliliee THM sram etc well allegedly they sent data.
doing managed to get the wheels and cranks with delivery tax free (thats i take with a pinch of salt


Do you have a link to where you purchased the wheels and cranks? I have not had luck searching. Thanks

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #538 on: Today at 07:54:00 AM »
Rebel

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SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #539 on: Today at 08:02:42 AM »
The color seems to have shades of pink....can you confirm or am I seeing incorrectly?

Its not pink, its a pearl white. The pearl is very reflective and color shifts based on ambient. Photo of my frame which is same paint.