Author Topic: Should I get the 057 or 256??  (Read 122193 times)

Chadding

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2014, 08:12:48 PM »
What? We can't ride over molten steel with the 256!
That is a clear advantage for the 057.

Agreed. Zombie apocalypse is just around the corner. 057 with Chinese carbon pistol mount for my Glock 9mm for me please! (that actually would be pretty cool lol)

PeterQ

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »

May be we can give Honsen the benefit of the doubt.
Until we see what kind of frame I get.
So far, everything looks to go well.
Ok, the moment of truth will come after my first big jump, ending on a sharp corner.

T1000 and T800 is just the stiffness of the carbon fiber.
The fiber/resin fraction, and how the sheets are layered in the various parts of the frames are more important.

My choice may look odd today. But end of May, I was turned off by Peter when he told me there was nobody building wheels with Lefty's hubs in... China.
This didn't give me a trusty image as I just saw a couple of hours later that light-bicycle was building them.

Then from the posts on mtbr at that time, the leading time for the IP-256 was quite worrying.
They did not even reply to the people who ordered them anymore.
So I tried Honsen as Leo was responsive and very competent too.

Why I told you nobody building wheels with lefty's hubs in China is I have never seen anyone has these hubs available to build the wheels, maybe you don't know Light-Bicycle doesn't share their things with other factories or companies, even we both located in Xiamen, they think we are competitors. Or you can ask Hongfu, Miracle or any other company if they have the lefty hub available or not, except LB.

About the lead time for IP-256 frames, I think almost guys know Iplay firstly mentioned and made these frames sold last year, this is the newest model, so the lead time mainly depends on factory. Now the production for this frame is getting regular and we start to ship frames to customers, the lead time from Honsen is short  when you ordered yours from them relatively.

We ship items what we have in stock to customers in the first place.

Vipassana

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2014, 12:30:05 AM »
Thanks for the feedback, Peter!   :)

carbonazza

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2014, 05:36:10 AM »
Peter, the light-bicycle.com web site is public, they do not hide anything.
http://www.light-bicycle.com/the-more-detail-about-hubs-MTB-hub-and-road-hub.html

I related what happened, as it may help some people know there is a lefty compatible wheel builder.
Don't worry, you are by far the darling of this forum. It just didn't work between us.

PeterQ

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2014, 05:56:13 AM »
Hi carbonazza,

You know what, LB website doesn't work if you are in China, when you click their website link, you will see like attachment. I didn't lie. But happy for all, their is a lefty wheel builder here in China.

carbonazza

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2014, 07:44:43 AM »
Wow... Hidden websites, frame clones, military vs. aerospace grade carbon, etc.
Buying a X-256 is definitely a much more entertaining experience than simply opening the door of our LBS.

Sitar_Ned

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2014, 07:47:43 AM »
^^Lol

I'm glad to see it looks like it was a genuine misunderstanding.

So does Light-Bicycle purposely block their website from being viewed in China, or is it blocked by the great firewall of China, that also blocks Facebook, Twitter, and I think pretty much all other western social media sites?

Reading this conversation made me realize something I had been confused about for a while.. I couldn't figure out why none of these Chinese carbon manufacturers hadn't starting at least trying to leverage social media to drive sales. Now I realize it's bc they can't - It is blocked from their entire country. Correct me if I'm wrong, Peter.




 

manmythlegend

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2014, 12:00:03 PM »
Interesting.... although for some reason I always felt like businesses and the affluent can just pay their way into a full web.

Nightstalker

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2014, 08:35:02 AM »
Hope one day I'ill buy one of these. With carbon hookless wheels and Fox fork.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 11:00:15 AM by Nightstalker »

jonxmack

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2014, 04:46:25 AM »
Has anyone ridden one of these with rigid forks? I've noticed the geo charts tend to be based around tall a-c forks (500) whereas I have Niner forks with an a-c of 470, which will drop the BB around 11mm. I'm a bit concerned it'll ruin the handling of the bike...
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carbonazza

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2014, 09:51:44 AM »
jonxmack, Not sure if that may help you, but someone posted this on mtbr:
http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-650b/chinese-carbon-frames-650b-edition-820784-15.html#post11082757

The 196 looks to be the 650b equivalent of the 256 frame.
I PM'ed him yesterday, and 3+ months later, he really loves is bike with the rigid fork.

From what I understood, I don't think putting a shorter fork is about dropping the BB a few millimetres.
But you are nearer to a wheel of a shopping cart. Making the bike more unstable.
While putting a too long fork, the bike will be harder to turn.

jonxmack

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2014, 04:26:04 PM »
Problem is a lot of the Chinese forks have a long A2C, the crown on the ones in that dudes photos is huge), wheres my Niners are pretty low. Measured them today they're actually 480 which is only 6mm less than an 80mm SID so I think I might be okay.
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jonxmack

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2014, 07:37:11 AM »
Just seen Yoeleo do the 256 too, it does say it's in stock but apparently there can be a delay on the UD Matte stuff according to a mate of mine who has ordered some stuff from there.

http://www.yoeleobike.com/super-light-bb93-29er-carbon-frame-for-mountain-bike.html
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Carbon_Dude

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2014, 07:48:41 AM »
So with free shipping to the US, Yeoleo is $660, not sure if they charge anything extra for payment via Paypal.  I wonder if that would be cheaper than XMIplay?  Not that I'm interested in purchasing an IP-256, just wondering how aggressive their pricing is.  I do like their website selection and checkout process.
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jonxmack

Re: Should I get the 057 or 256??
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2014, 07:55:26 AM »
I emailed Peter yesterday and got the following price for a 256.

IP-256 SL frame [17.5", BSA, UD matt, 142x12] $560
NECO/Iplay headset $15
Extra rear derailleur hanger $20
Chainstay protector $2
Shipping by EMS $80 USD
4% commission to PayPal

(560+15+20+2+80)x1.04 = $704.08
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