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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Sitar_Ned on March 11, 2020, 12:20:16 AM
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This is all still in the early stages and the logistics may end up not working out but in an effort to keep the original thread on topic about the actual AM-831 frame we'll use this thread to keep track of who may be interested in a group buy. The vendor requested that we get a number for them to determine the price.
Original thread: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2840.0.html
This is in no way at all binding but if you are interested, please just reply with "yes" and what size you would want.
Yes. Size Large.
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S:25
M: 35
L: 26
XL: 8
Size not specified: 5 (users: sync1, Beuti, emu26, killBot801, ericchile)
Last user counted: rkeran
Total Count: 102
Notes from seller:
All-mountain AM831 frame rear shock is 210*55mm. Fork travel and frame travel, both 150mm. The diameter of the seat post is 31.6mm.
For this FM-AM831 is the new mold that Haideli cooperated with Miracle.
And the selling price would be totally the same, we are good partner.
Also the frame can be painted the color you like, can be choosen in our charts, or offered the pantone code.
Now the sample size 17" would be finished in one week. then arranged the testing. finally being produced and selling.
So it would can be shipped for 17" on the ending of the April.
The other size we would be arranged once all the testing passed and according the group buying quantites.
For the sample price is USD699/set.
The bulk price is USD499/set, MOQ 30sets.
For different shipping address added the shipping fee.
We always chosen China Post EMS by air, but if you need the tax included, special way, XDB or WXY aslo would be okay.
The latest details for the frame of picture, weight, testing, we would show it ASAP.
*The sizes of these frames are offset from the originals. For example XL in the original frame would be L in this frame, and so on.
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I am very interested in this frame and might buy one.
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@Dirt
Which size you would be need?
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Yes, I'm in of course!
Frame in size 17,5", painted in color n°11 gloss finish
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@Dirt
Which size you would be need?
17.5 in custom paint if that option is available.
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Yes.
Shipped from EU or tax free ship (xdb, etc).
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In for a Large (~19") matte UD carbon if we can hit the 30 frame MOQ for $499. Shipping to NY, USA.
I'm already waiting delivery of a different frame so its difficult to justify buying a second new frame, however the price is just too good to miss out on.
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Yes. Interested in a medium, depending on price and how this works.
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Yes
Interested in a size L(19).
But i live in belarus, and i hope that this does not affect my participation in a group purchase.
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Yes
Interested in a size L(19).
But i live in belarus, and i hope that this does not affect my participation in a group purchase.
Yeah, we don't really know how this would work. I guess it's up to Eddy to see how and if he can organize it and make it happen. I'll help where I can but ultimately, this is Eddy's baby.
I'd be willing to receive and reship frames stateside if it would help grease the wheels, and assuming people would want to trust me with that. At least they know they can find me here if I were to pull something shady. Not sure if that's all that reassuring to people or not.
Also, the offer for a month free advertising on the forum is still up grabs/negotiation if Eddy is interested and if it could be factored into the group price.
Lastly, I think we need to know if painting would be an option and confirmation that the warranty and support would still be in place if we were to use a stateside distributor such as myself or someone else.
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custom painting is available, told about this with Eddy. Tomorrow we should know our discounted price without shipping.
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I'd be willing to receive and reship frames stateside if it would help grease the wheels, and assuming people would want to trust me with that. At least they know they can find me here if I were to pull something shady. Not sure if that's all that reassuring to people or not.
Thanks for all you've offered to do to try to get this to happen. Its greatly appreciated.
I think we'll have to weigh the cost of drop shipping from china direct to the customer vs. bulk shipping to a US location, then UPS shipping state-side. I know china post is still very heavily subsidized, and may be pretty aggressively priced. Not sure where you're located, but I did a sample UPS calculation for a 48x24x12 box from NY to CA, and ground shipping was only $32 to ship cross country. I figured it would be much more. Maybe I didn't calculate it correctly. Doesn't seem like a tough number to hit in terms of bulk savings. The bigger issue will be how to handle duty tax. Any shipment over $800 US will be subject to duty tax, and most likely a brokerage fee from whoever does the import clearing. A quick google search shows that Chinese made bicycle parts are subject to a 25% tariff on top of the pre-existing 11% tax. So now we need to cover 36% + $30 to make the bulk shipment make any sense. Individual shipments, assuming the frame is under 800 USD, would be exempt from any import duty or tax (De Minimis Value: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/de-minimis-value-increases-800)
But anyway, once we know the final number, maybe Eddy can give us separate quotes for drop shipped direct to customer, as well as bulk shipped to one location so we can compare the options?
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I'd be willing to receive and reship frames stateside if it would help grease the wheels, and assuming people would want to trust me with that. At least they know they can find me here if I were to pull something shady. Not sure if that's all that reassuring to people or not.
Thanks for all you've offered to do to try to get this to happen. Its greatly appreciated.
But anyway, once we know the final number, maybe Eddy can give us separate quotes for drop shipped direct to customer, as well as bulk shipped to one location so we can compare the options?
No problem! And I'm in Houston.
And yes, this will take quite a bit of organizing by Eddy.
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Yes, interested
* Size Large (19")
* Color #5 (Orange)
* Located in Houston
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Yes. 19"
Not sure on color
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Yes, interested
* Size Large (19") or XL (21")
* Color #1 (Grey)
* Located in Barcelona (Spain)
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I don't know if it could work also for US citizens, but as an italian, before nowadays shipping couriers (like XDB os WXY which are pre-paid tax and duties) I used to pay total amount with 2 invoices; frames from China were always inspected by our custom and buyer had to send them paypal/bank proof of transaction. With split invoices I gave them the lower one, so was able to pay 27% (VAT + custom duties) and save anti dumping tax (48% !!!!!)
Remember that shipping costs are added to frame cost.
Maybe this trick could sound strange to you, by the way now for an european customer is better and safer a pre-paid service, usually a frame and couple of rims cost 130/150$.
Shipment land from China in Netherlands or Belgium, this countries apply lower taxes than Italy, Spain etc...then package is forwarded and handled at destination by a european courier, just like an intra EU shipment.
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Where are you guys choosing your colors from?
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For me, shipping from China to Belarus is a good option, if possible.
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Where are you guys choosing your colors from?
Eddy can confirm, but probably are also available chameleon colors
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Is it confirmed that we are limited to the above colors? Are all of the colors available in glossy and matte?
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pending seeing that the large is actually the SC XL (which the chart says it is), then I'm in on a Large/19". Keep in mind that Haideli's large is SC's XL, the m is an L, and the s appears to be an m. If this is confirmed then I am a large.
Location: BC Canada.
would prefer the bike with a primer only, no paint if possible.
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I'd be willing to receive and reship frames stateside if it would help grease the wheels, and assuming people would want to trust me with that. At least they know they can find me here if I were to pull something shady. Not sure if that's all that reassuring to people or not.
Thanks for all you've offered to do to try to get this to happen. Its greatly appreciated.
I think we'll have to weigh the cost of drop shipping from china direct to the customer vs. bulk shipping to a US location, then UPS shipping state-side. I know china post is still very heavily subsidized, and may be pretty aggressively priced. Not sure where you're located, but I did a sample UPS calculation for a 48x24x12 box from NY to CA, and ground shipping was only $32 to ship cross country. I figured it would be much more. Maybe I didn't calculate it correctly. Doesn't seem like a tough number to hit in terms of bulk savings. The bigger issue will be how to handle duty tax. Any shipment over $800 US will be subject to duty tax, and most likely a brokerage fee from whoever does the import clearing. A quick google search shows that Chinese made bicycle parts are subject to a 25% tariff on top of the pre-existing 11% tax. So now we need to cover 36% + $30 to make the bulk shipment make any sense. Individual shipments, assuming the frame is under 800 USD, would be exempt from any import duty or tax (De Minimis Value: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/de-minimis-value-increases-800)
But anyway, once we know the final number, maybe Eddy can give us separate quotes for drop shipped direct to customer, as well as bulk shipped to one location so we can compare the options?
Not to derail but if you ship within the USA, try bikeflights. They found pretty good rates when I shipped a fat bike frame.
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Not a derail. Totally relevant. Thanks... Will do.
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Yes,
16"
#6 color
Cottage Grove, MN USA
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I was hoping the seat tube lengths were wrong on the site and they'd actually match the Hightower's. Doesn't seem to be the case, though. Not the end of the world.
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@Sitar
Thanks for your collecting of the orders.
Many thanks for your help.
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Sign me in for a 16 inch frame!, having owned a Santa cruz before I would very like to try this new linkage platform and move to bigger wheels.
Size 16"
Color: raw carbon?
Ship: Miami
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I don't know if it could work also for US citizens, but as an italian, before nowadays shipping couriers (like XDB os WXY which are pre-paid tax and duties) I used to pay total amount with 2 invoices; frames from China were always inspected by our custom and buyer had to send them paypal/bank proof of transaction. With split invoices I gave them the lower one, so was able to pay 27% (VAT + custom duties) and save anti dumping tax (48% !!!!!)
Remember that shipping costs are added to frame cost.
Maybe this trick could sound strange to you, by the way now for an european customer is better and safer a pre-paid service, usually a frame and couple of rims cost 130/150$.
Shipment land from China in Netherlands or Belgium, this countries apply lower taxes than Italy, Spain etc...then package is forwarded and handled at destination by a european courier, just like an intra EU shipment.
XDB is a good shipment for Europe
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Not to derail but if you ship within the USA, try bikeflights. They found pretty good rates when I shipped a fat bike frame.
Totally agree that bikeflights could be a viable option if its cheaper, however shipping isnt the big problem, its the import duty tax thats the killer.
But that's a moot point if Eddy is willing to ship them individually. If we hit the 30 MOQ, $499 is well under the de minimis value, and thus, no import duty to the US.
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@Sitar
Thanks for your collecting of the orders.
Many thanks for your help.
You're welcome. Hopefully, it will work out for everyone.
Thanks for answering questions and updating the forum.
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We hit 13 really quickly. I think we'll be able to pull off 30.
Will there be any way to view the colors on actual frames rather than on the color swatches provided? Even on different frames? Kind of hard to visualize the colors from such a small patch.
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Dear All:
Also the frame can be painted the color you like, can be choosen in our charts, or offered the pantone code.
Are you saying we can choose any color we like? Just give you the pantone code?
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Is it a full bike paint job only, or can we do specific pattern?
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We hit 13 really quickly. I think we'll be able to pull off 30.
We'll see. The 13 are the guys that were following the thread and awaiting the frame. I hope you're right, but it might prove difficult to get the second half of the order.
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Let's see how many more pop up in the next couple of days. If needed I can start a thread on mtbr and pink bike to recruit more.
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Is it a full bike paint job only, or can we do specific pattern?
I wont speak exactly to Haideli but almost every manufacturer is set up to do this, they just will charge extra. I don't know if he will do custom paint in the group buy.
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It can be done customer painting, just according the effect you need, then charged different price, thanks.
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Keen on a large but how does this get shipped? To different addresses?
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Keen on a large but how does this get shipped? To different addresses?
Yes, Eddie has said that is indeed an option. So it would basically work like a normal order, it's just that we have to get 30 orders. I think the fact that he's willing to do this makes this group buy pretty doable.
The only challenge would be tracking all of the orders and making sure all 30 followed through to keep our end of the deal. That's a much more solvable problem than if we had to handle some additional shipping on our end, IMO.
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Trying to ship them to buyers in the US would be a nightmare. I wouldn't trust FedEx with a crouton
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I'm in, 21 inch frame.
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Size 17.5, no 11 colour. shipping to Sydney Australia
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This is looking interesting. Following. 8)
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I'm also in. Don't know the size and colour yet. Shipping would be to Switzerland.
Thanks to all the people that are trying to make this possible.
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I'm also in. Don't know the size and colour yet. Shipping would be to Switzerland.
Thanks to all the people that are trying to make this possible.
Welcome! Where are you located in Switzerland ?
you can check the geo chart on official AM831 thread, remember to refer at all measurements except the seat tube length; Haideli M is a Santa L and so on !
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I can certainly agree to being in on this. I'm interested in the large frame size (SC XLarge) in Matte Black (Color #1?). Shipped to California for me, but hopefully I'll work that out with Eddy. I've read through this thread (and the original) a few times. Thanks to all who have established and maintained communications! Here's to hoping we pull together a group of 30 orders.
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@ Sitar_Ned: I saw you updated count. Hope you noticed my size change in the previous post. I edited the post from Med to Large. After some research, I decided to size up. 6'1" here, 32" inseam. Pretty much perfectly in-between sizes I think.
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@ Sitar_Ned: I saw you updated count. Hope you noticed my size change in the previous post. I edited the post from Med to Large. After some research, I decided to size up. 6'1" here, 32" inseam. Pretty much perfectly in-between sizes I think.
Got it. Thanks. I'm about your size so I feel you on the in-between sizes thing. It seems it's that way for most frames.
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@ Sitar_Ned: I saw you updated count. Hope you noticed my size change in the previous post. I edited the post from Med to Large. After some research, I decided to size up. 6'1" here, 32" inseam. Pretty much perfectly in-between sizes I think.
Got it. Thanks. I'm about your size so I feel you on the in-between sizes thing. It seems it's that way for most frames.
I'm Also 6'1 and ride a Large ICAN P9( made a build thread on here). Thinking the Large santa cruz/ Med AM831( the p9 does feel slightly big for my liking).
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If the measurement at the geometry chart is correct i will order this:
16"
Color number 4 metallic black gloss
Shipping AUSTRIA/ EUROPE
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I’m in
6’2” 33” inseam. Going with Large? First build...
No. 11 gloss color
Shipping to AK, USA
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I'm 5'10" and I ride a large based on my 6'1" armspan.
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Sweet. 20 so far. Chugging along nicely.
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I'm pretty interested, put me down for a 16"!
#11 in color
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I have everyone up til this post, I believe.
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I've been looking at frames recently and just found this site a few days ago.
I would likely be in for a large. Would probably opt for natural carbon color and shipping to the US.
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Edit: I'm interested for a size small (16"). Shipping to Lithuania. I'd like gloss white, sorry I'm new to the pantone thing, which code should I quote exactly? I found:PANTONE 11-0601 TCX Bright White. don't know if it makes sense..
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Pretty sure you can get any pantone color you want. I'm sure they can do white.
I'm under the assumption that there is still an additional charge for any paint, is that correct? Or are they offering paint at the same price as UD matte?
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Yes, there is an additional charge for paint. You can have any Pantone color you want but I think the ones included in the first post of this thread will be a bit cheaper if I understand everything correctly.
This thread was just to gauge interest to see if there was enough. As we approach the target number of 30, I'll set up some type of group excel sheet where everyone can enter their official order including paint color. We're pretty close currently so I'll do that fairly soon.
I'll put an image ad at the top of the form linking to the sheet so that everyone knows to go to it and enter their order details. There are still some things to work out but since the frame isn't even ready yet, I figure that gives us time to get things organized.
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Yes, there is an additional charge for paint. You can have any Pantone color you want but I think the ones included in the first post of this thread will be a bit cheaper if I understand everything correctly.
This thread was just to gauge interest to see if there was enough. As we approach the target number of 30, I'll set up some type of group excel sheet where everyone can enter their official order including paint color. We're pretty close currently so I'll do that fairly soon.
I'll put an image ad at the top of the form linking to the sheet so that everyone knows to go to it and enter their order details. There are still some things to work out but since the frame isn't even ready yet, I figure that gives us time to get things organized.
Many thanks for your organizing job !
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Hi all..i was looking for 29 carbon from China...this looks promising but will we ever see at least real sample.....
I am In for a Large (~19")matte black ..i am 6.0,is this ok size ,can't figure it out
if we can hit the 30 frame for $499.
Shipping to Zagreb ,Croatia
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Many thanks for your organizing job !
No problem. Remains to be seen of we can pull this off but it's definitely worth a shot, especially if we can get the shock at a good price.
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Hi all..i was looking for 29 carbon from China...this looks promising but will we ever see at least real sample.....
I am In for a Large (~19")matte black ..i am 6.0,is this ok size ,can't figure it out
if we can hit the 30 frame for $499.
Shipping to Zagreb ,Croatia
Hi and welcome to the forum!
At 6,0 you're in between 2 sizes; Santacruz fit say 5'9"/6',1" -Large (17,5" Haideli) 6',0"/6',4" - XL (19 Haideli) both with 50mm recommended stem length.
Being a new school geo frame you should be right with 17,5"...I don't know what trails look like in your surrond, that could lead for the right size choice.
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Many thanks for your organizing job !
No problem. Remains to be seen of we can pull this off but it's definitely worth a shot, especially if we can get the shock at a good price.
I'm waiting an answer from Eddy about shipping cost to Italy, but probably I'll order 2 x 17,5" frames instead of 1.
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If we need to drum up some more people, I can start a thread on pinkbike. I was just holding off to see how close we get.
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I know I will regret if I dont try it at least.
get me in!
1x 17.5 in, custom color, shipping to Switzerland.
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How many do we have at this point? Guess I can go count, but I think it's around 25. Seems like they could likely negotiate the same price even if a few frames short. I will be buying a set of carbon rims shortly and possibly a carbon stem and handlebar, so they may potentially get some additional parts sales if they honor the same price which might make up for a few frames short of 30?
Plus I thought there was another vendor that had mentioned a similar (maybe even better?) price with only a 10 frame purchase?
I had to stop riding for a few years due to health problems and now getting back into things and trying to get the latest trends to see how things have changed. I'm a bit of a bike s!ut and might even get 2 frames if necessary to make things happen.
I would also think with the whole Corona virus epidemic, sales would be down and a decent size order would be helping everyone out.
Anyways...I'm really looking forward to some good high res pics of the first frames coming out of the molds! And all the details that made it into the final production version.
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Currently at 25. No need to count as I update the first post whenever there's a change.
Yes, there was another company that a forum member had said that they said $479 for 10 or something like that. I think Eddie basically said that they are both the same company and that pricing would be the same from both vendors. Maybe the other vendor spoke before they were sure they could honor that deal, and Eddie got the final word for pricing and then reported it here to us? Not sure, I did think of it but just decided to trust Eddie and move forward with his deal since he was active in the forum and there to answer questions.
As for us being a few short... yes, I'm assuming at least a few of the people in this thread that said they were in won't come through when it's actually time to commit. Which is fine, who knows what's happened to people's financial positions in the last month due to current events, so we'll get as many as we can to commit and if Eddie doesn't want to go through with the deal due to us being a few short (if that happens, hopefully, it doesn't) then that's okay too. He has that right.. the deal is 30. That doesn't seem like smart business to me because as you said it will lead to other product sales, brand loyalty within the forum, positive reviews of the frame being posted in the forum, etc.. That said, I don't know anything about the manufacturing costs and state of the industry. Things aren't always so simple.
Should that be the case, perhaps we can explore other options.
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Thanks for your all your interesting and supporting of Haideli.
The price would be the best price in the forum we offered here.
It can not find more cheaper price from any other factory for this our own mold AM831.
And so sorry for the delaying of the picture, weight and details, since the influence.
We think it would be shown on next week.
Hope everyone would be fine and overcome the "war".
Any help, feel free to contact me at any time.
We would be always here.
Thanks
Eddy
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Hi all..i was looking for 29 carbon from China...this looks promising but will we ever see at least real sample.....
I am In for a Large (~19")matte black ..i am 6.0,is this ok size ,can't figure it out
if we can hit the 30 frame for $499.
Shipping to Zagreb ,Croatia,EU
Hi and welcome to the forum!
At 6,0 you're in between 2 sizes; Santacruz fit say 5'9"/6',1" -Large (17,5" Haideli) 6',0"/6',4" - XL (19 Haideli) both with 50mm recommended stem length.
Being a new school geo frame you should be right with 17,5"...I don't know what trails look like in your surrond, that could lead for the right size choice.
Hi all
i am in for 19 whatever will be...i still do not get how can u manage discount internationally...best thing would be,Eddie sends everyone here voucher to be able to buy a frame at discounted price of 500+shipping...
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Have the shipping details been worked out? If so, I missed the post.
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They will be shipped individually just as if you bought the frame normally.
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Yes - I am in for a 21.5
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@freeride1 did eddie give you a cost of shipping to Italy?
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@freeride1 did eddie give you a cost of shipping to Italy?
No, still waiting cost for 1 or 2 frames, for sure with XDB or WXY courier
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Yes, please count me in. Size 16/small.
Location: Guadalajara (Mexico)
Color: Undecided
I'll hate myself both for missing this chance as well as the timing if this comes through... this Covid-19 thing has USD exchange rates at crazy numbers.
-Anybody knows rough estimates on shipping? (Perhaps from previous experiences)
-Any chance they could include a shock option with the group buy too? (Probably too complicated since people's preferences will vary greatly I suppose)
Thank you BTW, to those involved and stepping in with the coordination!
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Yes, please count me in. Size 16/small.
Location: Guadalajara (Mexico)
Color: Undecided
I'll hate myself both for missing this chance as well as the timing if this comes through... this Covid-19 thing has USD exchange rates at crazy numbers.
-Anybody knows rough estimates on shipping? (Perhaps from previous experiences)
-Any chance they could include a shock option with the group buy too? (Probably too complicated since people's preferences will vary greatly I suppose)
Thank you BTW, to those involved and stepping in with the coordination!
Yes, but not in a good way for a lot of us. I'd be in but for how much the Aussie dollar has been hit.
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Count me in - 21" - color undecided
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For the shipping fee you guys mentioned that since the influence, many airline have been cancelled, now a little expensive then before, so i will quote you the real price once the order confirmed, maybe when we can ship the shipping fee lower down, thanks for the supporting, and the sample frame have been done, just waited the alloy part to assemble, aslo many customer asked the rear shock, we would also checking available or not, thanks for all the understanding and supporting, take care.
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Picture attached.
And the Bottom bracket is BB92 not BSA.
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I send another photo that Eddy has sent me
Cheers
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Is the BB just a BB92 for the test frame and production will be BSA?
I think many people prefer the BSA especially on a frame like this that will be pushed harder.
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Yeah the frame being BB92 instead of BSA is going to be a problem for me, I think. Personally, I have a $350 set of Race Face carbon cranks that don't a lot of bb92 bottom bracket options that appeal to me.
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I don't see the problem with any crankset, just buy a pressfit bearing set...they cover every standard, from 24mm, GXP,30mm and the new Sram DUB.
Only con is the longer installation procedure
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While I do prefer BSA if given the option, there are a number of "thread together bb92" bottom brackets available. I have three different brands, and all work well. Wheels MFG was the original. Solid and well built. I replaced the bearings with enduro bearings at 4k miles. I have an Origin 8 which is also well built, but I have far fewer miles on it. Lastly, I have a cheap $17 ZTTO brand thread together BB currently installed in my short travel XC bike. I also had to use a 24>22mm adapter to run my sram crankset. It all works fine, and its hard to argue with the price. When the time comes, Ill swap out the bearings for better quality, but the thread together housing is what matters.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33050046038.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dKyE5c2
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Oh okay, gotcha. I didn't realize that actually. Thanks. In that case... I've been looking for an excuse to buy a blingy orange bearing set.
Ahahah ! RaceFace, so a Cinch interface in 30mm diameter? I've had a Next Sl and was a great crankset !
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Yes, please count me in. Size 16/small.
Location: Guadalajara (Mexico)
Color: Undecided
I'll hate myself both for missing this chance as well as the timing if this comes through... this Covid-19 thing has USD exchange rates at crazy numbers.
-Anybody knows rough estimates on shipping? (Perhaps from previous experiences)
-Any chance they could include a shock option with the group buy too? (Probably too complicated since people's preferences will vary greatly I suppose)
Thank you BTW, to those involved and stepping in with the coordination!
Yes, but not in a good way for a lot of us. I'd be in but for how much the Aussie dollar has been hit.
Indeed must of us are on the losing end. Hopefuly things get at least slightly better by the time we have to actually pay. Otherwise I still have to give it a good thought/crunch some numbers.
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I believe the frame is still a first iteration, maybe its just me but I cant seem to find the hole for the shock to pass in between the seat tube, still its nice to see the first frames comming out ;D
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Hey Ned, would you mind adding a note above the geometry chart that says the sizes appear to be offset from the original? I'd hate for someone to only look at HTA/STA and then pick a size and be done. Wouldn't want you folks picking up the wrong size just in case.
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Done, sir.
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I believe the frame is still a first iteration, maybe its just me but I cant seem to find the hole for the shock to pass in between the seat tube, still its nice to see the first frames comming out ;D
From that image we don't see rear shock bridge, but why would they build an useless mold, create a frame and then work on another mold (correct one) wasting time and money?
From what I know, frame in under testing from now on, then production will start and shipping from late april.
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I don't see the problem with any crankset, just buy a pressfit bearing set...they cover every standard, from 24mm, GXP,30mm and the new Sram DUB.
Only con is the longer installation procedure
Since you are that many, why not ask BB386 instead?
BB92 has quite thin bearings for 30mm axles.
It offers much more space for bigger/more resistant bearings.
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I don't see the problem with any crankset, just buy a pressfit bearing set...they cover every standard, from 24mm, GXP,30mm and the new Sram DUB.
Only con is the longer installation procedure
Since you are that many, why not ask BB386 instead?
BB92 has quite thin bearings for 30mm axles.
It offers much more space for bigger/more resistant bearings.
Why not the T47? Threaded and big bearings.
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Hi, I would be interested to buy one in
Size 19inch colour would be matte black or just the raw carbon
19inch would be the L Model right?
Shipping would be to Germany
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19inch would be the L Model right?
Yes sir, 19 inch is L.
I have you accounted for.
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Hi, I would be interested to buy one in
Size 19inch colour would be matte black or just the raw carbon
19inch would be the L Model right?
Shipping would be to Germany
A regular santa cruz large looks like a MEDIUM here, if the chart is correct! 19 actual is more like the XL!
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Well then i want to swap to 17,5 inch !
I need the Santa Cruz in L so the 17,5 inch is probably the one I am looking for.
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Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out Jotegr... I'm sure there will be others that need to adjust their order. The count in this thread is just preliminary though. When we take the order, people will choose their size then and we'll make sure to point out the discrepancy. I may even need to drop down to a "medium".
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Sounds great. How do you buy in?
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Yes interested
Size 16"
Location, Brisbane Australia
Colour No.4.
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Sounds great. How do you buy in?
At the moment, just a name, location, size, and maybe colour choice are needed. Once we run this for a while and get enough names that we figure we will have 30 once a few people back out we'll look at the next step.
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I believe the frame is still a first iteration, maybe its just me but I cant seem to find the hole for the shock to pass in between the seat tube, still its nice to see the first frames comming out ;D
From that image we don't see rear shock bridge, but why would they build an useless mold, create a frame and then work on another mold (correct one) wasting time and money?
From what I know, frame in under testing from now on, then production will start and shipping from late april.
Any idea what has come of this? Concerning...
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I am interested, but could use a little direction.
I've ridden a pretty entry level hardtail (cannondale trail 3) for the last two years and would like to transition to a FS. I road a chinese road bike for years and its still going strong in the hands of another local rider, so I'm not afraid of china carbon.
I'm 6'2" and ride a XL (21). Would that translate to a L or should I go with XL?
Is this more of a trail bike? Or enduro? All mountain?
My only real concern is that this is new unproven tech. But I guess someone has to be the guinea pig huh?
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I believe the frame is still a first iteration, maybe its just me but I cant seem to find the hole for the shock to pass in between the seat tube
Any idea what has come of this? Concerning...
Oh yeah... I didn't even notice that. I assume they do the frames in iterations and they are rushing to get pics out to potential customers that are waiting. I have to believe that they wouldn't make such an absolutely huge oversight on a final production model.
I guess we'll see.
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I am interested, but could use a little direction.
I've ridden a pretty entry level hardtail (cannondale trail 3) for the last two years and would like to transition to a FS. I road a chinese road bike for years and its still going strong in the hands of another local rider, so I'm not afraid of china carbon.
I'm 6'2" and ride a XL (21). Would that translate to a L or should I go with XL?
Is this more of a trail bike? Or enduro? All mountain?
My only real concern is that this is new unproven tech. But I guess someone has to be the guinea pig huh?
I’m 6’2” , and in between sizes as well. Going with 19, it’s the same as Santa Cruz size XL.
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size 16, small, clear coat only not fuss glossy or matt (is that color no1?)
australia
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Well, we're currently at 32. I'm going to hold off on setting up the form for everyone to enter their official order until we get more finalized pictures and details on the end product frame. Personally, I won't be moving forward until we can be sure we are all getting a functional and acceptable product. While the frame price may only be $500 individually, collectively we are talking about a $20k plus order and I wouldn't feel right orchestrating the deal until I felt confident that we were all going to be satisfied customers. So for now, we'll leave this less formal order open and perhaps cap it at 40 units, and wait for final product details.
I hope that makes sense to all involved and also happy Easter weekend to everyone... I hope you have a positive and enjoyable weekend.
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Makes perfect sense and I couldn't agree more. You want enough people to cover if anyone drops out, but you dont want it to get unmanageable. And of course, you want to see what the product is before you buy it. I'm sure Eddy will understand your reasoning.
For what its worth, I'm certain there wont be a glaring issue like the shock hole in the final product. They might have intended to cut open the pre-production mockup frame to see what dimensions are needed for the pass-through. Thats my guess anyway.
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No need to cap it, I'm guessing the drop out rate will be quite high.
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I'm in
21.5 in
UD Matte Finish
Utah, USA
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For what its worth, I'm certain there wont be a glaring issue like the shock hole in the final product. They might have intended to cut open the pre-production mockup frame to see what dimensions are needed for the pass-through. Thats my guess anyway.
I agree completely. In the end, I think the frame will be well worth the price.
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No need to cap it, I'm guessing the drop out rate will be quite high.
Yeah, you're probably right. Okay... No cap.
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Eddie knows we're stoked and excited to get ANY information on this. I'll be honest, he's probably pretty stoked too. Can you guys think of any other direct to consumer Chinese frame that has had ANYWHERE this level of hype before? I'm sure he sent us another mock up. It costs a bundle of time, money. and resources to make these molds and there's no way Haideli is going to make a mold just to prank 30 people in to preordering a frame with no shock hole. The idea's a bit comical to be honest.
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I agree that idea that Haideli would in some way not come through with the frame is comical. That's not at all what I'm saying, and I don't think anyone else is either. Sorry if that's how it came across. From what I understand, they are a respected supplier at this point and currently produce various other frames and have plenty of satisfied customers. Also, Eddy has been very responsive and nice.
Since we had reached the 30 unit number mark, I just thought it was a good idea to make it clear to everyone why we would be holding off on placing final orders. Considering the order size, it seems perfectly reasonable that we would wait until we get final product pictures and even video of it in action. Also, we still don't even have a solid time frame. Just trying to keep everything transparent on my end.
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No, that wasn't directed at you at all, moreso the other folks who have been posting and asking for more photos or doubting the product. It's reasonable to be cautious, but I think the concern is a bit unfounded.
I feel a bit silly for spamming this thread when we have the other one now too.
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We are still waiting for simple photo of the frame made out of carbon..... 8)
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Page 6....
(http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2891.0;attach=3610;image)
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Page 6....
(http://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2891.0;attach=3610;image)
Thank you but that picture is ridiculous,worst than the one on first page where frame is made of plastic..
Can u please explain how and where shock is mounted?Is this real carbon,i always thought you can see layers of carbon and its structure....
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Eminius, the bike frames usually are made with unidireccional carbon and have very few details/visible structure.
If the frame is sanded before finish, there's absolutely no detail to be seen as it is all blackish and dull. Only after a clearcoat layer you will see something.
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I'm in
21.5 in
UD Matte Finish
Utah, USA
Just want to modify mine to the 19"
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Here’s a little somethin somethin
(https://i.imgur.com/MVjYC81.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/enG7Iu4.jpg)
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Wow that's looks pretty sweet!
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Please, sir, can I have some more?
Looking good
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@Eddy, i know it may not be that easy, but if you were able to integrate in your design/manufacturing a "Swat box" like Specialized does on the diagonal tube of their bikes, you would position your products one step above direct competition.
I would love it!
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@Eddy, i know it may not be that easy, but if you were able to integrate in your design/manufacturing a "Swat box" like Specialized does on the diagonal tube of their bikes, you would position your products one step above direct competition.
And I'm sure we all would love it!
That would add complexity, longer design time, and most importantly cost that I’m not interested in personally.
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That would add complexity, longer design time, and most importantly cost that I’m not interested in personally.
I'd have to agree. Also, perhaps introduce some weak points in the frame. I'm sure specialized does plenty of testing to get theirs right.
What I would like to see them do to set themselves (and this frame) above competitors is to use high-quality hardware (bearings, bolts, etc). Maybe even offer as a paid upgrade option.
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That would add complexity, longer design time, and most importantly cost that I’m not interested in personally.
I'd have to agree. Also, perhaps introduce some weak points in the frame. I'm sure specialized does plenty of testing to get theirs right.
What I would like to see them do to set themselves (and this frame) above competitors is to use high-quality hardware (bearings, bolts, etc). Maybe even offer as a paid upgrade option.
Exactly. As my first bike build I would rather not have to also invest in tools and hardware just to replace shit quality bearings that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
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Not just the bearings, the bolts, everything must be nicer! If we have the option. Otherwise we'll have fun getting it together ourselves I guess.
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I see your point and understand.
Definitely high quality bearings and bolts would already be a nice point. The shock bolts on my current Ican are far from stellar :-[ (slighty bent)
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Not just the bearings, the bolts, everything must be nicer! If we have the option. Otherwise we'll have fun getting it together ourselves I guess.
A friend works for a lightning company that outsourced some components to China, and the first things they suggested to him was to save a lot(really a lot) on screws and bolts.
While it makes sense for something that is kind of disposable, screw it once and forget. On a bike it is a totally different need.
We should try to make them understand crappy bolts and bearings have no place on a bike.
The same could be said about the cables end caps/grommets they offer with the frame.
Branded bikes have them nicely done, giving a final touches that we can't have.
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add another hole for bottle cage mount. i have a canyon hydration cage that utilise 3 bolts.
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Yes - Medium. haven't thought about color. Just watched the Pinkbike roadtrip series last night and the Hightower looked pretty good. If this is a copy ... works for me.
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I'm in for a 17.5 in natural carbon color. Shipping to Austin.
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Watched some Hightower reviews - I'm confused on the sizing. If I went to the store and bought a size L Hightower, am I choosing a L in this frame too? Or a M?
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Watched some Hightower reviews - I'm confused on the sizing. If I went to the store and bought a size L Hightower, am I choosing a L in this frame too? Or a M?
A "M"
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Yes - Medium. haven't thought about color. Just watched the Pinkbike roadtrip series last night and the Hightower looked pretty good. If this is a copy ... works for me.
Updated to size M based on the Santa Cruz website saying I'm a L (I'm right on the line of L/XL in SC sizing - most advice seems to say to size down). Thanks!
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Eddy mentioned they accept Pantone codes if you want something other than the colors posted on pg. 1. For anyone that wants the sweet blue color that SC uses on the 2020 HT, the paint code is PMS 2153c.
I would imagine it would be cheaper if several people ordered this custom color.
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Hello, just joined Chinertown.
Count me in for a SMALL size. Undecided on color.
Thanks!
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I would like to change my colour from raw/carbon black to the Hightower Blue as mentioned above. Paintcode would be:PMS 2153c
Thanks!
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Hello all, just joined Chinertown!
Please put me down for a Medium frame. Shipping to Toronto, Canada. Unsure about the colour yet but leaning towards that desert colour from SC if anyone knows the pantone code. Thanks!
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Hi, im interested,
Size: 19"/Large.
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I'd be interested in the group buy.
Size: M (17.5)
Color: 1 (Carbon/Charcoal)
Location: Central Coast, California
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Anyone know when the frame will be ready for Sale/Shipping?
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Just joined this forum.
Definitely interested in joining group buy.
Size = M.
Color: 1
Chicago area.
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Looks like I missed the sizing recommendation: I think I have to go with a size S? Anyone have recommendations on where I can figure this out? I’m 5 7” with ‘regular’ proportions. Thx.
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Looks like I missed the sizing recommendation: I think I have to go with a size S? Anyone have recommendations on where I can figure this out? I’m 5 7” with ‘regular’ proportions. Thx.
We're waiting for them to confirm measurements on the listed 17.5/medium there, but according to the chart you'd need a haideli small. I don't know where the confusion came from on their end but it might be from simply taking the seat tube in MM and converting it roughly to inches.
Maybe Trek was smart to move away from the numbered sizing for mountain bikes.
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May be to avoid further confusion we should all stick to the geometry sizes given in the first page, and stop doing references to s,m,l,xl given that Haideli does not use them.
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May be to avoid further confusion we should all stick to the geometry sizes given in the first page, and stop doing references to s,m,l,xl given that Haideli does not use them.
The sizes s,m,l,xl are on the Geo chart on the Haideli site and doesn't record them in inches. So does the Winowsports site.
http://www.haidelibikes.com/upload/201910/1570692403957476.jpg (http://www.haidelibikes.com/upload/201910/1570692403957476.jpg)
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The sizes s,m,l,xl are on the Geo chart on the Haideli site and doesn't record them in inches. So does the Winowsports site.
http://www.haidelibikes.com/upload/201910/1570692403957476.jpg (http://www.haidelibikes.com/upload/201910/1570692403957476.jpg)
Hmmm.. okay I'll change the size listing and use this geo chart instead. Hopefully, make things a little more clear.
Either way, this thread was just to give Eddy an idea of the number of frames and sizes. Everyone will give their final size selection at the time of order, so if you look at the numbers and decide to change your sizing, it isn't really necessary to change it in this thread.
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I'm interested dependant on an answer to a question I messaged Eddie. Hopefully he sees it and responds before this closes off.
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Adding a couple of images detailing the BB area and the rear triangle spacing.
<<I dont own the images, they were taken from Winow Sports page>>
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Sorry for the delaying updated.
Once got any new progress,we would updated it ASAP.
Thanks
Eddy
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I'm in for one please
* Size Small
* Color #5 (Orange)
* Located in Virginia
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Eddy, please check your messages
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If this is still open, in for 1 please.
Size: Large (19")
Color: Matte UD Carbon
Location: Louisiana
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Still open and I got you in there. Welcome to the forum, btw.
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Eddy,
Is it possible to see examples of other frames painted in the 14 given color choices? It's very hard to imagine what that will look like from just the tiny picture. It would be helpful to actually see some frames in the given color choices. Thanks.
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Yes Large Pantone 627U
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Count me in!
Size: Medium
Color: Matte UD Carbon
Location: Manila, Philippines
Would be very interested to see new pictures, as well as the estimated amount based on the current headcount.
Cheers
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That would add complexity, longer design time, and most importantly cost that I’m not interested in personally.
What I would like to see them do to set themselves (and this frame) above competitors is to use high-quality hardware (bearings, bolts, etc). Maybe even offer as a paid upgrade option.
This.
Happy to pay more for a good quality bearing and bolt package. Titanium bolts would be nice - there are plenty of good quality Chinese producers.
Though that talk has stopped for now, concerningly, early on, a lot of people seemed to be pushing for extremely low price ... if that transpires, you will pay for it. No such thing as a free lunch.
On a different note, do we know any more about shock clearances yet? Coils usable or not?
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I'd be in for 1.
Medium frame color UD carbon matte
USA
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Up to 45 orders. Nice. Even with a high percentage of bailouts, we should be able to get 30.
Now if we could just get a solid ETA.
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Hey Sitar_Ned,
I am also in for one in size L.
Color: UD carbon with glossy finish.
Location: Germany (with preferably with xdb).
Hopingly it works out :-).
Greetings,
RaFco
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Yes, size small.
No finish- I’d like to paint it myself.
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Actually, if it’s not too much extra, color five looks gorgeous (the orange).
I’m located in North Carolina.
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Is that orange? It's too hard to tell on these little swatches. That's why I was hoping Eddie could provide some samples.
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I think if I go with a paint option I'd probably find my own pantone based on whatever examples I could find on the web. Just seems like you'll be able to get a better idea of the color you're getting like that. Color is tricky through your monitor. Never really know what you're getting until it arrives, imo. Of course, I do think that option is more expensive so if you're not picky and just want some fresh paint, the provided colors are a nice option.
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I think you can find other painted frames with their colors on tideace aliexpress, but its just a few of them.
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Finally made an account just to post here about this. I'm interested as well. Would like to know time schedule too since we have so many interested people.
I'm in for a S (This is the equivalent of a Santa Cruz Hightower Medium, correct?). Paint - undecided. Location: San Francisco.
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Interested in a M (Large I guess based on the pinned message). Do they have Matte Black?
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Interested in size 'M' (SC Large). Color code 11.
Ship to WA, USA
Only two questions:
What's the time line?
When do I get to see complete/clear pictures?
thanks
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What's the time line?
When do I get to see complete/clear pictures?
Good questions, and ones we are all eagerly awaiting the answers to. I will email Eddy and see if we can get a more definitive update and report back.
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Im also interested!
- Size S (santa cruz M)
- needed with paintjob, but need to think about the color
- germany / europe XDB shipping prefered
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Good questions, and ones we are all eagerly awaiting the answers to. I will email Eddy and see if we can get a more definitive update and report back.
All he said was that it will be soon and he will update the forum.
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Given that the last photos appeared to show what was still very much a prototype .....
...... if they're going to do sufficient safety, performance and durability testing of the 'release candidate' product, it should be at least a couple of months hence.
Prices on shipping are all over the place at the moment, and customs are in exactly the kind of mess you'd expect. So waiting a bit longer will probably circumvent headaches and unnecessary costs anyway.
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Given that the last photos appeared to show what was still very much a prototype .....
...... if they're going to do sufficient safety, performance and durability testing of the 'release candidate' product, it should be at least a couple of months hence.
Prices on shipping are all over the place at the moment, and customs are in exactly the kind of mess you'd expect. So waiting a bit longer will probably circumvent headaches and unnecessary costs anyway.
Agree on all accounts. I don't mind waiting a couple more months at all. Especially considering current events. Just trying to keep the group updated.
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If the group buy is still on the table and moving forward, I'd be very interested as well. Located in TN.
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If the group buy is still on the table and moving forward, I'd be very interested as well. Located in TN.
Sure is. We're all patiently waiting for final product. It could be another month or two, who knows. Post up your size if you don't mind.
Welcome to the forum, btw!
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Eddy,
This url shows a haideli frame:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32794297256.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.7.60d61740tpDSBG
I really like the sky blue and the orange options for this frame. Are these available for the FS831 AM frame?
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If the group buy is still on the table and moving forward, I'd be very interested as well. Located in TN.
Sure is. We're all patiently waiting for final product. It could be another month or two, who knows. Post up your size if you don't mind.
Welcome to the forum, btw!
Thanks! If the sizing is the same as the SC Hightower, I guess I'd need a large (5'11")...the geometry on the Hightower confuses me...super-long reach listed. But yeah, I'm super interested in jumping in if this group buy pans out in the next month or two. I'd probably like the frame painted since my last frame purchase (from Ican) left me pretty dissatisfied with the finish.
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If the group buy is still on the table and moving forward, I'd be very interested as well. Located in TN.
Sure is. We're all patiently waiting for final product. It could be another month or two, who knows. Post up your size if you don't mind.
Welcome to the forum, btw!
Thanks! If the sizing is the same as the SC Hightower, I guess I'd need a large (5'11")...the geometry on the Hightower confuses me...super-long reach listed. But yeah, I'm super interested in jumping in if this group buy pans out in the next month or two. I'd probably like the frame painted since my last frame purchase (from Ican) left me pretty dissatisfied with the finish.
If you're 5'11", I think you'd need a medium. I think they're a size smaller than the Santa Cruz just based on geometry. At least, that's what I'm going with and I'm also 5'11"
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Yes, Small, #4, Portland, OR.
Thank you.
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Based on new sizing information, I need to change my size to Medium. As far as color goes, I suppose #6 (blue).
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Yes XL color no. 10, or ud matte carbon. For this price I don't really care!
Shipping to Boston if that matters.
I might be in for more than one, I'll ask around.
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id definitely be interested, would like to see some more pictures and a concrete release before agreeing to order though.
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So this thread has gone awfully quiet. Is this still happening? Any updates?
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I think we are all waiting for Eddy to tell us some news
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I know we're still waiting, but just like to throw my name in. Thanks for organizing this.
Size S
Pantone color 551C
shipped to Atlanta, GA, US.
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just asked Eddy to give us an update here.
Have a nice day folks!
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Dear friends, so sorry for the late reply, wow, it is amazing, now there are 55 sets member in the group buy.
We would ask the engineer and factory to try best make the frame ASAP.
Now it is really a big challenge for the production of our factory.
Anyway life is going on, we would adjust it ASAP.
Hope everyone take care and in good healthy.
Thanks
Eddy
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Yes please size small to Vancouver, BC. Canada
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Size for 6.15?
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Dear friends, so sorry for the late reply, wow, it is amazing, now there are 55 sets member in the group buy.
We would ask the engineer and factory to try best make the frame ASAP.
Now it is really a big challenge for the production of our factory.
Anyway life is going on, we would adjust it ASAP.
Hope everyone take care and in good healthy.
Thanks
Eddy
Not trying to be rude, but what does this mean? Are they actually capable of manufacturing this frame currently? Have they even built/tested their design? Speaking only for myself, I'm interested, but I'd like some idea of the timeframe. Are we talking in the next 3 months? The next 6 months?
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I’m interested in a medium if that matches the SC large sizing
Size: Medium
UD matte black
UK
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Not trying to be rude, but what does this mean? Are they actually capable of manufacturing this frame currently? Have they even built/tested their design? Speaking only for myself, I'm interested, but I'd like some idea of the timeframe. Are we talking in the next 3 months? The next 6 months?
Not rude at all. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a rough timeframe.
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I would like to be put down for a
Size: Large (Santa Cruz's sizing XL, did I understand the conversion correctly?)
Color: What exactly are our options?
Location: California USA
I understand the situation/circumstance but I am still super excited to see more pictures.
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Not trying to be rude, but what does this mean? Are they actually capable of manufacturing this frame currently? Have they even built/tested their design? Speaking only for myself, I'm interested, but I'd like some idea of the timeframe. Are we talking in the next 3 months? The next 6 months?
Not rude at all. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a rough timeframe.
I AGREE...this is becoming ridiculous..55 people want to order frame of which they only see plastic 3D print..i am still hoping for the best but this is very unprofessional Mr.Eddy!
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It looks like quite a few of you have never ordered a Chinese carbon frame before, let alone in the middle of a global pandemic. There's not as much info as buying a frame from the US or UK, etc. You largely have to base your purchase on other users' reviews. Or in this case, since its a new frame, largely based on the manufacturers previous track record.
I urge you guys to look up Chinese Carbon Frame Manufacturing on youtube. Theres a good video showing how road frames are built. I dont want to post a direct link since it showcases a competitor to Haideli, but needless to say, an awful lot of design and development work goes into creating these molds and frames. Its not something that just happens in a couple of weeks. Once a prototype has been built (I assume we are at this stage) then tooling for mass production begins. Enormously heavy blocks of metal need to be milled out to perfect specs to create the molds. Templates for the hundreds of shapes and lengths of carbon fiber material have to be created and cataloged so the same pieces can be cut over and over again. Air bladders need to be produced for the various sections. All those hundreds of carbon fiber strips need to be assembled around the air bladder, put in the mold, and that needs to go in the kiln, baked, and then cooled just to produce the sub components. Then the sub pieces need to be assembled. Rear triangle, front triangle, bottom bracket section, etc. Then those pieces need to be epoxied together. Then finally the frames need to be filled, surfaced and painted. Hopefully some testing is done somewhere along the line too.
Suffice it to say, there's a lot that goes into it. The virus has set factories back considerably, and a 55 order group purchase is probably the factory's smallest order. They are likely producing hundreds or even thousands of frames for bike companies that are clamoring to get more inventory after selling out in the US. The virus has caused a huge back log, and work is further hindered by protective measures to keep workers safe, and to keep the virus from re-surging. Development of this new frame likely has to be juggled and fit in between keeping the big customers happy. Unfortunately all this is par for the course, and is the price you pay for getting a frame for one sixth what you might usually spend on a name brand.
Have patience. Once tooling is completed, I'm sure we will get some additional detailed photos, and all the final specs / measurements / cable routing details, etc.
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my patience is gone...considering COVID19 i just received parts from China in EU in 18 days...i will try to buy another frame while waiting... http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html
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It looks like quite a few of you have never ordered a Chinese carbon frame before, let alone in the middle of a global pandemic. There's not as much info as buying a frame from the US or UK, etc. You largely have to base your purchase on other users' reviews. Or in this case, since its a new frame, largely based on the manufacturers previous track record.
I urge you guys to look up Chinese Carbon Frame Manufacturing on youtube. Theres a good video showing how road frames are built. I dont want to post a direct link since it showcases a competitor to Haideli, but needless to say, an awful lot of design and development work goes into creating these molds and frames. Its not something that just happens in a couple of weeks. Once a prototype has been built (I assume we are at this stage) then tooling for mass production begins. Enormously heavy blocks of metal need to be milled out to perfect specs to create the molds. Templates for the hundreds of shapes and lengths of carbon fiber material have to be created and cataloged so the same pieces can be cut over and over again. Air bladders need to be produced for the various sections. All those hundreds of carbon fiber strips need to be assembled around the air bladder, put in the mold, and that needs to go in the kiln, baked, and then cooled just to produce the sub components. Then the sub pieces need to be assembled. Rear triangle, front triangle, bottom bracket section, etc. Then those pieces need to be epoxied together. Then finally the frames need to be filled, surfaced and painted. Hopefully some testing is done somewhere along the line too.
Suffice it to say, there's a lot that goes into it. The virus has set factories back considerably, and a 55 order group purchase is probably the factory's smallest order. They are likely producing hundreds or even thousands of frames for bike companies that are clamoring to get more inventory after selling out in the US. The virus has caused a huge back log, and work is further hindered by protective measures to keep workers safe, and to keep the virus from re-surging. Development of this new frame likely has to be juggled and fit in between keeping the big customers happy. Unfortunately all this is par for the course, and is the price you pay for getting a frame for one sixth what you might usually spend on a name brand.
Have patience. Once tooling is completed, I'm sure we will get some additional detailed photos, and all the final specs / measurements / cable routing details, etc.
I have ordered frames from China, in fact my most recent ICAN frame came during the pandemic. That aside, the issue is the lack of any meaningful feedback on the status of this frame. At this point the only thing we've seen are some renders of a Hightower clone. We have no idea if this frame is out of the design stage. This is an important point for Eddy to address IMHO. I'm not going to be upset if they aren't anywhere near being able to produce them, but for those of us who are actually ready & able to purchase this summer, we need to know if this group buy is viable or if it isn't. Eddy hasn't given us ANY information about the timeframe. It could literally be 12+ months from now before this design actually gets produced depending on which stage of design/production/testing it's in.
If the frame isn't anywhere near production, then talk of a group-buy is premature. Again, potential customers just need Eddy to give them some useful information so we can decide if we want to wait this out or if we want to buy something else.
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It looks like quite a few of you have never ordered a Chinese carbon frame before, let alone in the middle of a global pandemic. There's not as much info as buying a frame from the US or UK, etc. You largely have to base your purchase on other users' reviews. Or in this case, since its a new frame, largely based on the manufacturers previous track record.
I urge you guys to look up Chinese Carbon Frame Manufacturing on youtube. Theres a good video showing how road frames are built. I dont want to post a direct link since it showcases a competitor to Haideli, but needless to say, an awful lot of design and development work goes into creating these molds and frames. Its not something that just happens in a couple of weeks. Once a prototype has been built (I assume we are at this stage) then tooling for mass production begins. Enormously heavy blocks of metal need to be milled out to perfect specs to create the molds. Templates for the hundreds of shapes and lengths of carbon fiber material have to be created and cataloged so the same pieces can be cut over and over again. Air bladders need to be produced for the various sections. All those hundreds of carbon fiber strips need to be assembled around the air bladder, put in the mold, and that needs to go in the kiln, baked, and then cooled just to produce the sub components. Then the sub pieces need to be assembled. Rear triangle, front triangle, bottom bracket section, etc. Then those pieces need to be epoxied together. Then finally the frames need to be filled, surfaced and painted. Hopefully some testing is done somewhere along the line too.
Suffice it to say, there's a lot that goes into it. The virus has set factories back considerably, and a 55 order group purchase is probably the factory's smallest order. They are likely producing hundreds or even thousands of frames for bike companies that are clamoring to get more inventory after selling out in the US. The virus has caused a huge back log, and work is further hindered by protective measures to keep workers safe, and to keep the virus from re-surging. Development of this new frame likely has to be juggled and fit in between keeping the big customers happy. Unfortunately all this is par for the course, and is the price you pay for getting a frame for one sixth what you might usually spend on a name brand.
Have patience. Once tooling is completed, I'm sure we will get some additional detailed photos, and all the final specs / measurements / cable routing details, etc.
I have ordered frames from China, in fact my most recent ICAN frame came during the pandemic. That aside, the issue is the lack of any meaningful feedback on the status of this frame. At this point the only thing we've seen are some renders of a Hightower clone. We have no idea if this frame is out of the design stage. This is an important point for Eddy to address IMHO. I'm not going to be upset if they aren't anywhere near being able to produce them, but for those of us who are actually ready & able to purchase this summer, we need to know if this group buy is viable or if it isn't. Eddy hasn't given us ANY information about the timeframe. It could literally be 12+ months from now before this design actually gets produced depending on which stage of design/production/testing it's in.
If the frame isn't anywhere near production, then talk of a group-buy is premature. Again, potential customers just need Eddy to give them some useful information so we can decide if we want to wait this out or if we want to buy something else.
Well sad!
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Zerozed, did you miss the actual build photos of the rear triangle and BB area from a month or so back? We have more than just a render. But we have not yest seen a completed frame.
You guys aren't wrong by wanting to get status updates and know the rough timeline they expect to be able to deliver the frame. I get it, and I do agree.
However, throwing out words like "ridiculous" and "unprofessional" seem a bit inappropriate in my opinion. From the very beginning, we knew this was a pre-production frame, during a time of global crisis. The frame was already months behind schedule when the group purchase was first organized.
If it were me, and I urgently needed a new frame sooner than later, I would have been exploring other options from the beginning. If you're a little more flexible on time and can weather the delays, this is still a great way to shave a couple hundred bucks off an already well priced frame.
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throwing out words like "ridiculous" and "unprofessional" seem a bit inappropriate in my opinion. From the very beginning, we knew this was a pre-production frame, during a time of global crisis.
This.
If you're unhappy, move along,. It's a voluntary group buy. No need to trash a respected vendor in a truly unprecedented time of global economic upheavel.
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Total agree on this, those who dont want or can't wait longer, have a huge market to choose. I am enjoying my P9 a lot these days. May be i dont ride this am831 this year. But i dont see the unprofesionalism here. Hey, nobody stopping anyone from going to a Santa Cruz shop/seller and buy a Hightower, which is very very close to this 831. But easily available.
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Should we expect more from a company whose website features their new 2018 frames?
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I'm happy to wait a long time for these. No rush here. If they're cool, they're cool. A chinese frame in this stage of development should just be considered a fun side project anyway!
Edit: I'd rather Haideli takes their time with this one than rush it out.
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I would like to be put down for a
Size: M (Santa Cruz's sizing L, did I understand the conversion correctly?)
Color: ?
Location: Slovenia, EU
I understand the situation/circumstance but I am still super excited to see more pictures.
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Yes.
Size: Small
Color: 8 Green
Location: Houston, TX 77006
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Personally, I don't mind waiting until the end of the year if need be and I've come to expect less than stellar communication so for my own personal frame... no big deal. This is the frame I want so I would be waiting for it even without the group buy. I really just contact Eddy for updates for the sake of the group.
Thus far, we have 60 that have verbally opted in and I'm sure we'll have more by the time the frame is actually ready. I'll just ping everyone via email when that time comes and we should have the 30 minimum quantity. It will be a good deal for those of us that don't mind waiting, but if you're on any kind of time crunch to get a bike then it's probably a good idea to look at other options.
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I would like to be put down for a
Size: M (Santa Cruz's sizing L, did I understand the conversion correctly?)
Color: ?
Location: Slovenia, EU
I understand the situation/circumstance but I am still super excited to see more pictures.
Yes you're correct about sizing !
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Sitar put me on the list for future email and I'll confirm when I hear back from Eddy re max tire size.
Thanks
Edit: I'm out, ordered an FM10
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Dear All of the friends:
Sorry for the delaying of the production, now updated the newest picture and progressing.
Now only 15" sample being finished, and the testing passed, without any problem.
Attached some pictures for reference.
It is BB92 bottom bracket for the BB.
And the weight is around 2335g for the size 15".
Tire: 29er 2.4"
Thru axle: 12*148mm
Any more information needed, feel free to let me know, i will checking ASAP.
Thanks
Eddy
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Thanks for the update Eddy =)
The frame looks nice.
Some information that I would like to know:
Do you know when will the frame be available?
Will BB BSA73 be an option?
Can Haideli provide better linkage hardware and bearings as an upgrade (paid of course)?
Thanks
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Dunno if that's just due to it being a proto, but 2.4kg is exceptionally heavy for a 15" frame of this type.
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Sitar put me on the list for future email and I'll confirm when I hear back from Eddy re max tire size.
Thanks
Gotcha.
Thanks for the update, Eddy!
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Dunno if that's just due to it being a proto, but 2.4kg is exceptionally heavy for a 15" frame of this type.
I'm somewhat loathe to engage this on this thread and not the discussion thread but here I go anyway.
You're right, it is heavy but keep in mind that the 15" is actually the medium and not the small. Personally I'm OK if this frame comes a bit on the heavier side if that means they use a few more layers of carbon fiber to make up for voids or other manufacturing defects.
Speaking of which, I don't know why you guys are insisting that you don't want PF86/92. It's simply the best standard for making up for shaky QC margins. I'm not going to accuse Haideli of being bad or anything, but it's certainly the safest option for a DTC Chinese frame!
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Dunno if that's just due to it being a proto, but 2.4kg is exceptionally heavy for a 15" frame of this type.
I'm somewhat loathe to engage this on this thread and not the discussion thread but here I go anyway.
You're right, it is heavy but keep in mind that the 15" is actually the medium and not the small. Personally I'm OK if this frame comes a bit on the heavier side if that means they use a few more layers of carbon fiber to make up for voids or other manufacturing defects.
Speaking of which, I don't know why you guys are insisting that you don't want PF86/92. It's simply the best standard for making up for shaky QC margins. I'm not going to accuse Haideli of being bad or anything, but it's certainly the safest option for a DTC Chinese frame!
I was under the impression that recent Tideace stuff has been good quality with low tolerances, and Haideli / Tideace are the same thing. But perhaps I'm wrong.
But maybe you're right. When you see stuff like that LT (who were unknown to me) VPP frame which is clearly a long way off in tolerances, and possibly other things you can't see, it does give some pause.
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Nice to see some new pictures.
Eddy do you have a rough ETD for the other sizes (especially the XL version)?
Since there where no updates for a while, I started looking for an alternative frame and right now I am really close to pull the trigger on an original SC Megatower frame. And with really close I mean the next few days (already ordered the BB).
But if the other sizes also not that far from being produced and tested, I would wait another 2 months or so.
Btw guys, the original SC Hightower frame is about 2,8kg for the size M. So, 2,4kg is rather light.
You can check it here: https://gewichte.mtb-news.de/product-16419/santa-cruz-full-suspension-hightower-v2-cc
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Can we get dimensions for the shock "tunnel"? I guess mainly the width as that seems to be the main limiting factor for a coil shock. An estimated time frame for the other sizes to get finished and production to begin would be great. We can make guesses but I imagine you have a much clearer picture on your work force, production capacity, and typical time line for design and testing. Also, in addition to a price for a high end hardware option (bolts, bearings, linkage, etc ?) a price range for a single color paint job up to a more complex multi color paint that requires masking and taping.
I'm sure it would be helpful to some to have a ballpark price for the frame and options that are wanted.
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Great to see photos!
The frame does appear to be slightly on the heavier side, but if that translates into durability, then it may be acceptable.
You mentioned testing, can you share some insights on how are you testing it? I do aggressive riding and I would like to have peace of mind that the rear triangle is not gonna snap sending me to an ER :)
Appreciate it!
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Thanks for the photo update! Looks very nice.
Regarding weight im not concerned, if it was lighter I would be. This weight is what I would expect on an all-mountain frame.
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Eddy - can you confirm the seat post size is 31.6?
Thanks
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Well, it took me a while before taking a decision of what type of bike I wanted next. Put me in for this frame!
Size: medium (17.5)
Color: UD matte
Location: Canada
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Thanks for the update, frame looks solid. Is the 15' sample a size medium or large?
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I just bought another frame so you can remove me from the list.
I will still follow this topic and wish you guys the best.
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Thanks for the update, frame looks solid. Is the 15' sample a size medium or large?
Size 15" is a Medium Santa Cruz...
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RobertRinAustin：
Yes, the seatpost is the standard 31.6mm.
Thanks
Eddy
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I just bought another frame so you can remove me from the list.
I will still follow this topic and wish you guys the best.
Got it. Thanks for taking the time to let us know.
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Thanks for the update, frame looks solid. Is the 15' sample a size medium or large?
Size 15" is a Medium Santa Cruz...
Cheers
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sold a bike so i must buy a bike :D
I am in for one - XL frame
Colour - Pantone PMS 2153c (santa Cruz Hightower blue)
Shipping - XDB to Ireland (this will avoid duty?)
2 spare derailleur hangers
Quick question Eddy, Can these be got with some decals with Haideli or Miracle on them?
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Interested!
Size: L (SC XL)
Color: TBD
Location: California
On a side note... Does anyone know the panton color for the SC Ink blue/green?
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Can I change the colour on my order to Pantone PMS 2153c (Santa Cruz blue) please
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We haven't officially committed any colors or sizes as of yet. This is just to get an estimate for Eddy. When things are finalized and I email you that is when you will pick final color and size.
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Cool thanks, wasn't too sure and just covering my bases :)
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Hello
I'd be interested if it's not too late. Debating on L or XL in color #11.
Any recommendations on size if I'm exactly 6ft?
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Hello
I'd be interested if it's not too late. Debating on L or XL in color #11.
Any recommendations on size if I'm exactly 6ft?
Good question.. I'm 6ft as well and am still undecided. I think you should be choosing between the M and L, though.
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Hello
I'd be interested if it's not too late. Debating on L or XL in color #11.
Any recommendations on size if I'm exactly 6ft?
Good question.. I'm 6ft as well and am still undecided. I think you should be choosing between the M and L, though.
I'm 6' and have always gone with a large (M in this case). I should probably ride an XL to see if I like it, but I've never been unhappy with an L.
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I’m also on the fence between L and XL. I’m 6’3” and have ridden both the 2019 Hightower and Hightower LT in XXL and they didn’t feel too long, but have never ridden an XL to see if I like it. The reach of the L is comparable to the old SC XXL geometry just a few MM shorter. Jumping up to the XL would make the reach even longer than the older Hightower/LT by 12-20mm.
The only that would be a significant change is the seat tube length, 30mm.
I think the biggest thing that is pushing me towards the L vs XL is chain stay length. SC increases the chain stay on their XXL to account for the added size up front, but based on the geo I have seen for the AM831, it keeps the same length across the board. So I figure riding the L version will give the closest feel to the actual Hightower design.
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Dear All of the friends:
Sorry for the delaying of the production, now updated the newest picture and progressing.
Now only 15" sample being finished, and the testing passed, without any problem.
Attached some pictures for reference.
It is BB92 bottom bracket for the BB.
And the weight is around 2335g for the size 15".
Tire: 29er 2.4"
Thru axle: 12*148mm
Any more information needed, feel free to let me know, i will checking ASAP.
Thanks
Eddy
very nice...this brings my hope back...
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Please add me to the group buy list for an XL size in Santa Cruz Highland Blue Pantone color code PMS 2153 c. Shipping to California.
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Please add me to the group buy:
Size - Medium
Color - Pantone PMS 2153c (Santa Cruz Hightower blue)
Sent to - Texas, USA
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...It is BB92 bottom bracket for the BB...
Just a warning for the ones who want to put a SRAM groupset.
BB92 is a very poor choice, as they are moving from the 22/24mm GXP spindle, to a 29mm DUB.
There is no room to put durable bearings in a 41mm hole.
If you are enough, and this is possible, I would pressure to have BSA or a BB386.
Now writing this, I have the feeling of already said that here ;)
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GXP is pretty crap anyway - if you wanna run a SRAM crank use the 2mm adapter to run a proper 24/24 shimano BB.
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GXP is pretty crap anyway - if you wanna run a SRAM crank use the 2mm adapter to run a proper 24/24 shimano BB.
Unfortunately a GXP spindle + 2mm adapter on a 24/24mm BB is quite bad too.
If I remember well from a Hambini video.
The issue seems to be a patent one, that only Shimano can put a 24mm floating axle between two bearings.
And SRAM came with GXP, that locks the left bearing, and as a result takes all the lateral load, and fail sooner.
The best solution I found was to put a BB Infinite shell. And easily change the bearings.
The bearings were lasting longer, but still the left one was failing early.
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Please add me to the group buy:
Size - Medium
Colour - Matte Black
Sent to - Australia
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Hi all,
and thanks to everyone making this group buy possible!
Put me on the list aswell:
Size - Large
Color - raw / clear coat
Sent to - Germany
thanks,
Times
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I just signed up to Chinertown. I am definitely interested in groupbuy:
size: Medium
color: Orange
location: California
I am new and have a question:
If I purchase this frame, I will be hiring a bike shop to assemble it for me. Additionally, I want to spec the components to be similar to a Hightower Carbon S which is going for around $5200. Additionally, I will purchase carbon wheelsets from lightbicycle. Given all the components I have to purchase a le carte, and the fact that I have to hire for assembly, will there be significant savings compare to purchasing the Hightower Carbon S + lightbicycle wheelset?
Are you from Santa Cruz?
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I just signed up to Chinertown. I am definitely interested in groupbuy:
size: Medium
color: Orange
location: California
I am new and have a question:
If I purchase this frame, I will be hiring a bike shop to assemble it for me. Additionally, I want to spec the components to be similar to a Hightower Carbon S which is going for around $5200. Additionally, I will purchase carbon wheelsets from lightbicycle. Given all the components I have to purchase a le carte, and the fact that I have to hire for assembly, will there be significant savings compare to purchasing the Hightower Carbon S + lightbicycle wheelset?
Well a Santa Cruz frame is 3000 or more, this is 500 and a bit
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i would like to be part of this order too :) but i am not sure about the right size for me. i am around 184cm or 6,03675 feet tall and my step/leg lengh is around 84cm or 2,75591 feet. can´t decide between china M and china L size. also i have absolutely no experience with the new geometries or 29" mtb´s. atm i am riding an oldschool 26" ghost amr lector from 2009 in 48 cm/19 inch. anyone here who has a recommendation for me ?
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I have a hard time recommending this for a new person who purely wants to save money. If you're having an LBS do everything, that's going to add up fast and you won't be able to sort out any of the possible issues you might have with a direct to consumer Chinese frame.
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I have a hard time recommending this for a new person who purely wants to save money. If you're having an LBS do everything, that's going to add up fast and you won't be able to sort out any of the possible issues you might have with a direct to consumer Chinese frame.
naahhh, i am a really good mechanic ;) solving problems should be not a real problem. i have just no experiences with modern geometries.
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aahhh, i am a really good mechanic ;) solving problems should be not a real problem. i have just no experiences with modern geometries.
I actually think he was responding to different post further up in the thread.
We are almost the exact same height, btw, and we're indeed in-between the M and L... it could go either way depending on bar/stem choice, I guess. I'm currently down for a size L but may change for an M... not sure yet. Sorry I couldn't be more help but you're not alone in your dilemma.
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Please add me to the buy list
Size : 19 (M?)
Color : matte black
Ship to: California, USA
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Add me
Bchappy
Size:m
Color:raw clear
Ship to: Henderson, Nevada
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aahhh, i am a really good mechanic ;) solving problems should be not a real problem. i have just no experiences with modern geometries.
I actually think he was responding to different post further up in the thread.
We are almost the exact same height, btw, and we're indeed in-between the M and L... it could go either way depending on bar/stem choice, I guess. I'm currently down for a size L but may change for an M... not sure yet. Sorry I couldn't be more help but you're not alone in your dilemma.
ooops, you could be right. sometimes my english is not good enough to see such correlations.
i might be going with a china m size because my legs are relatively short with 83/84cm. always possible to go with a 60mm stem instead of the 50mm one.
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ooops, you could be right. sometimes my english is not good enough to see such correlations.
i might be going with a china m size because my legs are relatively short with 83/84cm. always possible to go with a 60mm stem instead of the 50mm one.
Well, I have you down for a medium for now. You can always change your mind when it's time to order.
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ooops, you could be right. sometimes my english is not good enough to see such correlations.
i might be going with a china m size because my legs are relatively short with 83/84cm. always possible to go with a 60mm stem instead of the 50mm one.
Well, I have you down for a medium for now. You can always change your mind when it's time to order.
thanks :)
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My current bike is pretty much garbage now. I need this new frame asap. I don't want to sound rushing and rude, but is there a general window of when the frames are good to ship?
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Honestly, if you are in a hurry and need a frame soon, I'd look at other options.
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Honestly, if you are in a hurry and need a frame soon, I'd look at other options.
I’ll second this recommendation. Even if they shipped them out next week, you still might be 2 months before you see it. I’d look for something in the country you currently reside in.
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Was really wishful thinking. But I am currently interested in direct to consumer market and the wait for the ones I am interested is 3 months as well. My plan was to be patient, but my bike unexpectedly capped out. Long story
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My current bike is pretty much garbage now. I need this new frame asap. I don't want to sound rushing and rude, but is there a general window of when the frames are good to ship?
At this rate frame will be ready for sale in year 2021..it took a year just for few frame pictures..
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My current bike is pretty much garbage now. I need this new frame asap. I don't want to sound rushing and rude, but is there a general window of when the frames are good to ship?
At this rate frame will be ready for sale in year 2021..it took a year just for few frame pictures..
If it takes that long for the bike to be safe from testing then so be it. It's a small Chinese company so don't be expecting much. There has been no promise dates and with this whole pandemic we should be abit more understanding. We're demanding these frames like we actually put a dollar of deposit down.
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Since they posted they had a size small here, I've been doing a my own inquiries through Haideli to see if what would happen if I try to order 2 size smalls. Their first reply was that they had them in stock and ready to be painted and asked what colour I wanted.
The S size is available.
Could you tell me what color and which country to send please?
We only ship by express now, because other standard shipping way is high cost and high risk of losing parcels.
After I confirmed the colour and destination, they sent me this.
For the suspension frame, it is not in stock now.
other clients have paid and bought them.
and we still have make massive production now.
really sorry for this.
Could you change into other model please?
This suspension frame won't have massive production in this year.
Please know this.
XC029 and XC181 both available. and we can make chameleon color or other colors for you.
Joy Jiang | Sales & Marketing Manager ( Haideli )
So just a heads up for people who is hoping to getting a frame this year, or maybe even next year. Communication is very vague.
From experience in ordering frames from China/Taiwan, if the mould is there and were able to sell the frames, they should be able to fulfill the order with some lead time.
Something seems off about all of this. Could be a license issue and the mould won't be open to everyone? Who knows.
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Much thanx for clearing things up. I'm looking into other options now. ✌️
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I was joking with 2021 but now it seems true...
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since nothing from Eddy i found some pictures
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I will also take one:
Size: L
Color: 7
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since nothing from Eddy i found some pictures
Did you find those on the Winowsport site? I tried contacting them about the frame as well. No luck. Hopefully Eddy can clear things up. I'm in no rush to buy as it's a side project but I also don't wanna waste time visualizing and figuring out parts for this build if it's not happening at all lol.
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I might be interested, lots of stuff permitting.
For now, put me down for a size L (Santa Cruz XL if I understood right), Matte black paint, shipping to New Mexico, USA.
I might end up cancelling depending on the timing it is available and my financial situation at that point, among other things
Edit: I just found a reply on the other AM831 thread saying they have chameleon colors, do you guys think that would be a good value?
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Reply from Winowsports on Wednesday 8/07/2020
USD699/set without shipment, pro-sale, size M.
ETA shipment at the end of August.
Greetings,
Terry - Winowsports
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Seems like different company reps are not on the same page....
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Seems like different company reps are not on the same page....
all we can do is wait until they are in stock. its not in our influence i think. also chinese companys in general are not really good in open communication. thats not a negative point, just typical for the chinese people :P
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One would imagine a group buy of at least 60 times at least 500usd would put a bit of a fire under any companies ass, in the same breath I suppose they need to insure without doubt the quality or they will face a slight mob
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Just joined the forum to say that I'm definitely interested in one of these frames.
Medium size and raw carbon preferably.
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I'm in!
Size: S
Colour: 4
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I’m in!
Size: XL
Color: Glossy white but if that’s not possible 11
Location: Sweden
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Would it make sense, to push for a better discount if we get more, say 60 orders?
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It would make more sense to push for an actual, real product rather than vaporware.
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Would it make sense, to push for a better discount if we get more, say 60 orders?
I'm assuming we'll have close to a 50% or higher drop rate once it comes time to throw cash down. There might be a V3 hightower by then!
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Although the number of people that say they are participating in this group buy is pretty high, you have to think the actual number will be a bit lower due to some dying of old age by the time the frame drops.
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Lol. Damn... I really hope this happens. I was looking forward to this frame/build.
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Backcountry.com and competitive cycles have the frame right now for $2k. I figure this China build will cost closer to $1k with custom paint and improved hardware. I may shell out the extra $1k for a warranty and something I can ride this season, haven’t decided yet. I imagine others would be thinking the same
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Well, I was going with no paint and using the hardware that came with it... so I was thinking $850 shipped with shock. Backcountry and CC charge taxes and shipping so that price would be closer to $2300.
That's almost $1500 and is the difference between me doing a build and not doing a build at all. That said, I already have a bike and don't need another... if I needed a bike I might share your opinion.
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i am interested
size m raw with gloss varnish
location: spain
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Interested
Size: S (SC M)
Color: TBD
Location: Chicago
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Well, I was going with no paint and using the hardware that came with it... so I was thinking $850 shipped with shock. Backcountry and CC charge taxes and shipping so that price would be closer to $2300.
That's almost $1500 and is the difference between me doing a build and not doing a build at all. That said, I already have a bike and don't need another... if I needed a bike I might share your opinion.
Not to split hairs, but frame shipping is $70 from BC and I don’t have sales tax where I live, so for me the difference between doing a build with an authentic frame that has a warranty and not doing a build is still roughly $1k.
I’m still gonna hold out for bit to see where this goes...
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Backcountry.com and competitive cycles have the frame right now for $2k. I figure this China build will cost closer to $1k with custom paint and improved hardware. I may shell out the extra $1k for a warranty and something I can ride this season, haven’t decided yet. I imagine others would be thinking the same
If I could get the carbon frame for $2k, I'd do it, but $2k for aluminium and I'll wait. Like Sitar Ned, I don't need a new bike, otherwise I wouldn't be willing to wait it out.
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Oh, he was referring to the aluminum version? Well, that's not a very accurate comparison then.
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Good catch! Didn’t notice that...
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Would it make sense, to push for a better discount if we get more, say 60 orders?
Doubtful it's anywhere near that high, and no it doesn't make sense. Just incentivizes corner cutting and using the cheapest hardware possible (bolts, bearings etc)
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Size : M
Location: Ontario, Canada
Colour: 1 or 2
Any updates on timing or price?
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Are there paint codes or reference material for the standard 14 colours?
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Size : M
Location: Ontario, Canada
Colour: 1 or 2
Any updates on timing or price?
Got it. Unfortunately, no updates that I am aware of.
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Please remove me from the group. I ended up going with something else.
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Please remove me from the group. I ended up going with something else.
Out of curiosity, what did you go with?
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Please remove me from the group. I ended up going with something else.
Gotcha. Thanks for the update.
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I went with a RSD Wildcat v2 frame. I already have a RSD Mayor v3 and love it. This frame was on my short list and I just could not resist anymore! ;)
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Hi everyone! I've wrote an email to Eddy and he will update us soon.
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Hey everyone,
colour me interested :o
Size: M
Colour: Pantone 173 C / RGB: (207,69,32)
Location: Germany
Thank you for putting this together. :)
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Hi everyone,
I'm interested in the group buy
Size: L (SC XL)
Color: black carbon finish
Location: California
Thanks!
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Hello everyone.
Size: M ( or equivalent to SC -- build for 5'4" wife )
Color: black carbon finish or Hightower Blue
Location: Utah
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Hello everyone.
Size: M ( or equivalent to SC -- build for 5'4" wife )
Color: black carbon finish or Hightower Blue
Location: Utah
I have you accounted for. You'll have to decide your final size choice at time of ordering.
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Eddy told me that the frame will be available in three month...
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Eddy told me that the frame will be available in three month...
;D ;D to me it doesn´t really matter how long they will take to get it ready. important is that its good quality and durable !
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Eddy told me that the frame will be available in three month...
;D ;D to me it doesn´t really matter how long they will take to get it ready. important is that its good quality and durable !
same here!
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I also agree, I have completely operationally bike and would love for this to become a project build to upgrade my current trail bike. I am no rush to recieve the frame but would appreciate more frequent communication/updates and open discussion of BB or bearings used
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I have gone a different route on a frame, didn't feel like waiting until next season. Thanks and good luck
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I have gone a different route on a frame, didn't feel like waiting until next season. Thanks and good luck
Gotcha. Thanks for the update.
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Sign me up!
Size: XL
Color: SC hightower gray? Not sure of the code
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I'm interested in a M frame. Colour not sure for now. Country The Netherlands
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Interested in a size S (450mm reach) frame. Color not yet decided.
Shipping to Manila, Philippines
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@Eddy, any news you can tell? What is a realistic timming?
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I'm keen for one
Size M
Colour #9 matte finish
Shipping to Perth Australia
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Count me in too please.
Size: M
BSA BB if possible... ;D
Colour: TBD - maybe PMS 021 C
Location: Brisbane, Australia.
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If this group buy is still on, I'd like to add myself to the group.
Size: M
Colour: #9 Matt
I'm in UK
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If anything ever happens with this, yes I'm interested.
Size: S (SC's medium).
Location: Michigan, US
Color: #11 or a custom color
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Also keen
Size S
Melbourne, Australia
Color undecided
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Good day.....Im interested.
Size: M
Color: Not now
Country: Spain
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not a word from eddy....
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I messaged Heideli and got a reply from eddy.
Essentially :-
Frame not available now, when it is finished, they'll update online.
So I guess this may still be moving forward?
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What do we expect really? This kind of stuff can only be a side hassle for all these folks as they're doing contracts for larger companies, which are in turn doing contracts for bike manufacturers. Right now, every bike company is harassing the shit out of these companies to get stuff out faster and faster, and to increase production in ways that aren't necessarily possible given the timeframe. A lot of folks don't really have the inside perspective so here goes: After everything was sold out and the demand was huge for this season, pretty much every brand of bike related product is going in to booking season right now (and many have already been due - by around up to a month ago). Many, many dealers have decided to massively increase their booking orders for everything from bikes, to helmets, to armour, tubes, soft goods, etc. We've heard that booking orders that have come through already eclipse the total annual sales for many of these brands, which doesn't even include any potential re-orders or any dealers that are trying to go the traditional route of a booking/reorder mix. This in turn translates to Trek/Giant/Norco/POC/SMITH/Whoever turning to their manufacturers and asking for more shit to be made.
Way more shit.
And the reality is, how much can these places actually increase production year over year? 5%? 10%? Adding capacity at this type of manufacturing is extremely difficult, especially given the timeframe (bike product has about a 180 day window, manufacturing to sales for most brands) So I'm guessing Eddy and the other folks over at Haideli are waaaaaaayyy too busy trying to keep up with their large client demand to work on their side projects. So it could be a while before we hear more from this. I'm going to be patient, and if it takes so long that this is no longer a 'buy', then that's too bad but it's the way it is at the moment.
Anyway I probably should have posted that in the other thread. Oh well.
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does someone have an idea about equivalent RAL or PANTONE color codes for the colors on the first page ?
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Think this would be a vapour ware.?
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Who knows. Maybe. Most likely the frame will be built IMO. It does seem clear that you shouldn't join this group buy if you're looking for a frame to get you out on the trails soon. I already have 2 other bikes... if this one comes through in a few months for the price... cool, I'll build it. If not, no big deal.
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FWIW I suspect this won't be out this year. Suspect it took a lot more development work and fine tuning than they anticipated, plus OEM work as alluded to previously is likely off the charts this year.
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Who knows. Maybe. Most likely the frame will be built IMO. It does seem clear that you shouldn't join this group buy if you're looking for a frame to get you out on the trails soon. I already have 2 other bikes... if this one comes through in a few months for the price... cool, I'll build it. If not, no big deal.
totally agree with you, as i said some sites and weeks ago...
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Hello everyone!!! I'm new to chiner town. Just thought id say Hi before i get into to the nitty gritty. So with out further ado, did this group buy already happen?
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No. It can't happen until the frame actually exists.
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Hello everyone!!! I'm new to chiner town. Just thought id say Hi before i get into to the nitty gritty. So with out further ado, did this group buy already happen?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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So I'm guessing Eddy and the other folks over at Haideli are waaaaaaayyy too busy trying to keep up with their large client demand to work on their side projects. So it could be a while before we hear more from this. I'm going to be patient, and if it takes so long that this is no longer a 'buy', then that's too bad but it's the way it is at the moment.
You made some good points! Demand is crazy high this year! I'm just hoping it will be available by next spring.
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I ended up going another route for the moment, so please remove me from the list (Size L).
Thank you
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This thread was started March and it's half a year later and it seems we have not gotten any sort of progress towards even seeing ONE frame in the hands of a customer.
I'm looking to get a new bike built come Christmas. Unfortunately, it's starting to look like the Covid vaccine has a better chance of coming to customers first before this frame does. :(
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Yeah, I'm not quite sure how to handle it. I want to honor my commitment to those that have submitted their intentions to join the group buy but I also don't want to mislead newcomers to the forum and make them waste time planning on buying and building out this frame.
I guess all I can really do is keep stating that this obviously isn't a guaranteed deal and to not depend on buying this frame to get you out on the trails anytime soon. I can only assume that most of the people that have expressed interest won't actually be buying the frame if and when it comes out. At a certain point, if we don't hear anything from Eddie, I guess I'll just lock the thread. As always, open to opinions.
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I'll buy one. Size Small. Teal or black.
Hope you hear back in the next few months.
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Has anyone reached out to Eddie lately?
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put me down for a small, I can be patient for this.
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I'm currently building a p9 as this was taking too long, keep me on the list though, I will probably have that build done before this releases :D
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Has anyone reached out to Eddie lately?
It's been a couple of months since I did but he wasn't very responsive. Maybe I'll give it one more attempt.
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It's been a few months since I did but he wasn't very responsive. Maybe I'll give it one more attempt.
I wrote terry from winowsports. He said the frame is not ready yet, but they are still working on it...
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What are the terms to get on this group buy?
Thanks
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What are the terms to get on this group buy?
I'm 6'2 - 230 LBS, I assume I'd be looking for an XL frame size.
Thanks!
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There's more to bike frames than your height and weight. Likely an L or XL but depends on your specific stack and reach requirements.
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What are the terms to get on this group buy?
Thanks
Just say you want in and I'll put you on the list. That being said, who knows if this will even happen at all.
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I did about 2 weeks ago and he replied the next day saying it's still not available and will contact when it is.
It's been a couple of months since I did but he wasn't very responsive. Maybe I'll give it one more attempt.
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Just say you want in and I'll put you on the list. That being said, who knows if this will even happen at all.
Please do if possible for an L then. Thanks!
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There's more to bike frames than your height and weight. Likely an L or XL but depends on your specific stack and reach requirements.
Thanks for the insights on this, I dont quite have an idea what those things mean for my weight/height but will research it further
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Just say you want in and I'll put you on the list. That being said, who knows if this will even happen at all.
Can I get on the list for an XL?
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I'm in for a size XL!
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I'm out, ordered an FM10
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I'm interested. Please let me know if and when this happens. Size Large.
Thanks!
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Hello-
Please add me in for the group buy.
Size =SMALL
Color =14
thanks!
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Add me into the group buy if those indeed happen. I'm in no rush.
Size- Small (SC med)
Color : 12
Location: Washington State USA.
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I will buy one
size SMALL
color 1
location NJ USA
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Hello, after reading me the whole thread, I join the joint purchase, although I do not know if it will take place since this takes time to stop.
Size- S
Color - 11
Shipping - Spain.
Thanks.
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Bought an other bike,so please take me of the list. Thanks
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I'm very interested.
Size - Large (~19")
Color - matte UD carbon (#1?)
Shipping to Colorado, USA.
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id like to join if im not too late.
size- Small
color- 3
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Hi,
I think I should change the size of my order from M to S. I'm 5'8". The Santa Cruz hightower sizing chart recommends M for 5'5"-5'9" = Haideli S. My current 120mm travel bike has a 460 seat tube and 593 top tube and fits OK.
How is everyone else determining the size to get?
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Hi,
I think I should change the size of my order from M to S. I'm 5'8". The Santa Cruz hightower sizing chart recommends M for 5'5"-5'9" = Haideli S. My current 120mm travel bike has a 460 seat tube and 593 top tube and fits OK.
How is everyone else determining the size to get?
I did the same, looked on SC website and went size smaller than what they recommended.
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Any news?
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No news that I know of. I'd honestly be surprised if this deal happened at this point. We'll just leave the thread open just in case. I'll attempt to reach out one more time for an update.
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I am interested, size: M
Color: PANTONE 2238 C
Shipping Spain
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Posted in the other thread as well. Sent a message to topfire. Production is starting after chinese new year for larger sizes. Price is 680usd so not as good as the inital 499usd price. 10pcs less $30 50pcs less$50.
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Interesting news. Price increase sucks, though.
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Posted in the other thread as well. Sent a message to topfire. Production is starting after chinese new year for larger sizes. Price is 680usd so not as good as the inital 499usd price. 10pcs less $30 50pcs less$50.
Thanks for the info. Not sure if it's worth the effort for a $50 dollar discount? Open to the opinions of the group.
Pretty disappointing how the original seller just bailed out of the deal.
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Wonder how much extras will be. Shipping to US? Paint? Etc?
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Thanks for the info. Not sure if it's worth the effort for a $50 dollar discount? Open to the opinions of the group.
Pretty disappointing how the original seller just bailed out of the deal.
At this rate, it would be best for individual purchases. Hopefully there's updates from people who have already bought the frame.
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@Sitar-Ned please remove me from the list, I lost interest on this frame.
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I would have thought any discount would still be worthwhile.
I'd go back and ask for $600 each for this group buy - given the possibility that it could be over 50pcs. Plus shipping and paint etc. I got quoted $750 for a Carbonda Fm1001 so still a fairly decent price. $100 more is about £70. Not the end of the world.
At worse, it's a no and either carry on at $630 or bin it off and it's individual purchases as $680.
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Never hurts to ask. It is a big buy, seems like they could do better on the discount.
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Found that Miracle-bikes are selling the frame for 499 on orders over 30. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29er-Full-Suspension-Carbon-Bike-Frame_1600177694157.html
Contacted Ned about it, maybe they can do a group but with us, there's also Winowsports that has the frame on their site that we could ask as well.
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Found that Miracle-bikes are selling the frame for 499 on orders over 30. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29er-Full-Suspension-Carbon-Bike-Frame_1600177694157.html
Contacted Ned about it, maybe they can do a group but with us, there's also Winowsports that has the frame on their site that we could ask as well.
for me to count on me. I'm signing up for a group purchase
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Even with people dropping out, we should be able to hit 30 for sure.
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And are they willing to ship the frames to different locations, or will they say as a group order they all need to go to the same location?
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I am also still interested...but also still sceptical...can we at least see one built frame..or decent HD picture of it..one would expect that after so much interest..
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Anyone notice that the Miracle Bike link says it's 150mm/160mm suspension rear/front, but the Haideli listing says it's 140/150? Wonder which one it actually is.
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Found that Miracle-bikes are selling the frame for 499 on orders over 30. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29er-Full-Suspension-Carbon-Bike-Frame_1600177694157.html
Contacted Ned about it, maybe they can do a group but with us, there's also Winowsports that has the frame on their site that we could ask as well.
$499, I'm in!
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For $499 I’m in as well. Let’s get it done.
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I'm still in. I think the travel is based on the shock stroke and different amounts of travel were listed somewhere with various shock stroke. So 50 mm vs 55 would bump 140 to 150+.
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Also in at $499
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Spoke to jenny from miracle, frames won't be available till May.
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Spoke to jenny from miracle, frames won't be available till May.
Sadly that is sounding familiar. Hope it pans out for you all.
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Personally, as long as the order can be confirmed that a shipping date will be around May of this year then I'm happy to stay in the GB.
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Spoke to jenny from miracle, frames won't be available till May.
Haha, did she specify May of which year?
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Haha, did she specify May of which year?
She didnt ;D
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Maybe this has already been answered, but how would shipping work with a group buy? Would they send them all to one location and then you have to pay for shipping to your specific location? Also, would one person in that original shipping location, let's say New York, have to work with each member of the group buy to get the frames from New York to their proper destination? Maybe it's way easier than this, I'm just trying to think of the logistics of shipping in my head.
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Maybe this has already been answered, but how would shipping work with a group buy? Would they send them all to one location and then you have to pay for shipping to your specific location? Also, would one person in that original shipping location, let's say New York, have to work with each member of the group buy to get the frames from New York to their proper destination? Maybe it's way easier than this, I'm just trying to think of the logistics of shipping in my head.
Shipping to each person directly.
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Yes I'm in, size Large
But I'm living in the Netherlands
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Had a chat with Jenny this morning.
Lead time quoted as 60-70 days.
She said cost of carbon gone up so USD 550 for 30. USD499 for 50.
Shipping to individual group buy member. Shipping would be in top.
Pantone colours available but cost on top.
Payment - this is where it may fall down. Because they don't know how many will actually order they want one payment.
Payment would be made through Alibaba. I'll need to check things like protection etc.
I'm in UK so USD550 is £400. That's £12000 before shipping and paint. I could buy 10 of small, medium, large and have shipped to me but then costs on top to ship to members.
This would be unpainted as they'd be on a first come first served basis. Also, I'm not taking responsibility if the frame has a defect. Going down the route of taking on responsibility, I'd have to sell close to individual price to cover frame issues/delivery issues. Probably closer to £600 each plus shipping unpainted. Yes, I'd make on them but the whole thing is likely to be a massive ball ache :)
I don't mind arranging and taking payments off individuals. Can do colours then. You'd get all my contact details and anything else that might be needed to track me down if I take all your money and buy a speed boat or something. That risk is up to you. But I'll collect, pay and arrange shipping etc if that is what everyone wants.
Said I'd go back to her next 7-10 days. Thoughts?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50996052811_25a62beb59_c.jpg)
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Yes I'm in, size Large
But I'm living in the Netherlands
All mountain bike in Netherlands ? Did you find a secret mountain ;D
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All mountain bike in Netherlands ? Did you find a secret mountain ;D
;D ;D ;D
This confirms that my wife is right.
I just want to have everything.
Because now I also doubt whether I will order the jumpstumper ( Air wolf ) clone or not. Or the fly bike FM1001.
Any sugestions ?
PS I'm still in ;)
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50996052811_25a62beb59_c.jpg)
where you got that picture ? :)
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;D ;D ;D
This confirms that my wife is right.
I just want to have everything.
Because now I also doubt whether I will order the jumpstumper ( Air wolf ) clone or not. Or the fly bike FM1001.
Any sugestions ?
PS I'm still in ;)
Hello,
I'm from a pretty different area (french Alps) but with the same difficulty making my mind between Stumpjumper clone, Hightower clone and FM1001.
At the moment (i.e : it's moving a lot with each new information release), my very personnal ranking is :
1/ Hightower clone
likes : geometry / style
dislikes : it's a clone
2/ FM1001 :
likes : geometry
dislikes : style (too classic for me)
3/ Stumpjumper clone
ikes : style
dislikes : geometry / it's a clone
Then, have to consider availability and price to select one.
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Hello,
I'm from a pretty different area (french Alps) but with the same difficulty making my mind between Stumpjumper clone, Hightower clone and FM1001.
At the moment (i.e : it's moving a lot with each new information release), my very personnal ranking is :
1/ Hightower clone
likes : geometry / style
dislikes : it's a clone
2/ FM1001 :
likes : geometry
dislikes : style (too classic for me)
3/ Stumpjumper clone
ikes : style
dislikes : geometry / it's a clone
Then, have to consider availability and price to select one.
I was in the same situation.
French alps too, same ranking :-)
But I added a custom full suspension titanium frame on top of that... It is hard to make a decision.
I finally ordered the titanium (which would arrive in 8 weeks, i will post the build in "metal" section when received).
The AM831 remains a very great deal (if they manage to produce it)
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Had a chat with Jenny this morning.
Lead time quoted as 60-70 days.
She said cost of carbon gone up so USD 550 for 30. USD499 for 50.
Shipping to individual group buy member. Shipping would be in top.
Pantone colours available but cost on top.
Payment - this is where it may fall down. Because they don't know how many will actually order they want one payment.
Payment would be made through Alibaba. I'll need to check things like protection etc.
I'm in UK so USD550 is £400. That's £12000 before shipping and paint. I could buy 10 of small, medium, large and have shipped to me but then costs on top to ship to members.
This would be unpainted as they'd be on a first come first served basis. Also, I'm not taking responsibility if the frame has a defect. Going down the route of taking on responsibility, I'd have to sell close to individual price to cover frame issues/delivery issues. Probably closer to £600 each plus shipping unpainted. Yes, I'd make on them but the whole thing is likely to be a massive ball ache :)
I don't mind arranging and taking payments off individuals. Can do colours then. You'd get all my contact details and anything else that might be needed to track me down if I take all your money and buy a speed boat or something. That risk is up to you. But I'll collect, pay and arrange shipping etc if that is what everyone wants.
Said I'd go back to her next 7-10 days. Thoughts?
With import taxes and double shipping, it's not going to be worth it for me. There are plenty of resellers that will have this bike once it's in production that I'm sure will do a group buy.
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So they have the molds for all sizes complete?
There has to be a better way as that doesn't make much sense if shipping to different locations with different sizes, colors, etc. They have no problem taking a down payment and with a 60 day lead time, why not give people 30 days to order and once they get down payment it goes into production, then after 30 days or when frames start getting completed they give discount based on orders placed and then everyone pays the remainder of bill for frame, paint, shipping, accessories, discount, etc. It sounded like they knew it was a group buy and each would be different and shipped to different location so they shouldn't have an issue doing something similar to accommodate a group buy.
I'm not sure why chinese companies don't try to be transparent and instead show a low price and then say that's for this one and the one you want is actually this much, or it will be ready end of the week, then next month, then next year, or noodles $3 extra, etc etc. If they were just straight with people instead of making it all seem like a gamble I'm positive they would sell much more then how they currently (normally) operate.
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So, I'm at a stage where the group buy goes ahead, I buy them all myself and roll the dice or knock this on the head.
However, can we still get the GB up and running?
I can pay up front the first 50%. This will be via Alibaba so my payment is protected.
I'm hoping to get agreement that the remaining 50% can be paid by individual buyers with paint and shipping on top.
The frames go direct to buyers. There is two frames to a carton so would be helpful if buyers can double up????
From the first 50%, I'd need payment from those on the group buy before the frames are ready for paint. Approximately 60 days. My only proviso is the payment is made as PayPal gift. Once shipped its not my liability if the frame is faulty. If things go wrong, or frames don't appear after say 90 days, then money is refunded. That element of risk is up to you. I use same username for everything and you can find me on Faceache.
Once the frames are ready for paint, the remaining 50% is paid by each member together with paint and shipping costs.
If not all frames are bought, I'll buy them and sell them on from the UK. I had initially planned to do this with all the frames. If no one is interested at all, I may do this anyway.
I've suggest 12 Small, 20 Medium, 12 Large and 6 XLarge. In these amounts as I initially chose 6 colours (keeping two frames myself)
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I'm in for xl. 8)
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I'll edit this post once I have the final details tomorrow. Due to time difference I only get a few hours to chat with Jenny per day.
Not sure but maybe a new thread needs to be started - or make this a sticky?
Can interested members PM me so I get an email notification to add you?
Quote for 50 frames is $499 before fees, paint, shipping
Quote for 30 frames is $540 before fees, paint, shipping
The frames will only go into production if 50% of the cost is paid up front. Miracle don't want individual payments to make up the 50% - if they don't get enough orders they'll have to refund everyone.
I propose to open the GB from the 8th March to 2nd April. We get a new list of members genuinely interested and ready to part with cash. Each member will then get a number between 1 and 30/50 and choose a size.
After 2nd April, members get 7 days to pay me. As I've said before I don't really want the risk of charge backs for frame defects that aren't my fault. However, if this proves too big a stumbling block then Paypal fees will have to be added.
I will make it a requirement of the deal that members can contact Jenny to confirm the deal is genuine etc. Any contract info or any account details from when I make the payment can all be provided to members via PM.
If everything is successful, I'll make the payment for 50% of the value of the frames on 9th April. It will be paid via trade assurance on Alibaba so this is protected. Trade assurance is 2% - this will be priced into the per frame price - also only on 50% of the total as the remainder is being paid individually by paypal. If for any reason the frames don't appear, I will arrange the refund through Alibaba and refund everyone. Again, all money movement info can be sent via PM if required.
If on 8th April there is not enough member in the GB or some members don't pay, I'll make the decision whether to junk the idea and refund members or carry on with it and I'll buy the remaining frames.
60/70 days later the frames are ready. Each member of the GB then makes their final 50% payment for the frame via paypal and choose colour which is $70 and can't be negotiated as it's not Miracle that does the painting. Painting is up to 15 days - this was what I was quoted but was on 50 frames being painted.
I will ask tomorrow but I'm sure if members want to add wheels etc, this will be the time to make that choice.
Shipping will also need to be paid at this point direct from Miracle to your door. They quoted me, using WXY shipping, $280 per box of two into the UK but this is with all duties paid - it is likely to be different depending on location. I got a TanTan GR040 delivered via WXY and had no problems other than it took a while and no additional taxes were paid.
1. EddScott - M
2. EddScott - L
3. Mumblejack - M
4. Mumblejack - S
etc
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Please delete me from the list.
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Anyone know the price for one frame before shipping and everything? Curious what kind of discount all this is for?
They don't seem to be very accommodating considering one of their employees came here and suggested a group buy and prices (at least I think so but could be confusing things since it's been over a year...) But they have to understand this is a website with people all over the world and not a business or a club from one area. There have been well over 50 people interested and probably twice that or more. And now that it's here but having to pay one person that no one knows, though I'm sure you're a good trust worthy person, then pay the rest to the company down the road, it seems like a pain and there are additional steps where something could get mixed up or go wrong, and there are now 2 people so far. Thats a lot of unsold frames that people were originally very excited about because they can't offer an easier solution where everyone places their order for what they want, they get an order number, and they pay for their bike shipped to their address, and they get a discount based on how many people end up ordering.
If something was wrong with a bike who is responsible? Is Miracle not going to handle the issue for a frame they built and shipped?
These companies could sell a lot more but have some basic things they need to understand and learn first. Transparency and uniform pricing and ordering are some big ones. A website with basic pictures and having to email to get *the price* and to place order doesn't help. I'm rambling but it just seems strange to me that a business that's trying to make money but makes the process difficult and with minimal info and just seems like doing things to *not* sell stuff.
I'll still buy one if anything ever happens. Or I'll wait until other frames come along that I like if it doesn't happen...
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I was under the impression sitar-ned was doing the group buy. I feel more comfortable doing a group buy with the administrator of this site than a random member. Not saying this is a scam and you are not an doing a favor for everyone, it just fells wierd sending money to an unknown. I think that's why you don't have tons jumping in yet.
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I was under the impression sitar-ned was doing the group buy. I feel more comfortable doing a group buy with the administrator of this site than a random member. Not saying this is a scam and you are not an doing a favor for everyone, it just fells wierd sending money to an unknown. I think that's why you don't have tons jumping in yet.
110% agree. Let the administrator deal with this, just removes any questions.
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What is the plan for those in North America?
I agree with the previous comments, why isn't the admin dealing with this?
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Maybe an admin doesn't want to? It's a lot of responsibility and I applaud the member who is attempting to do the legwork here. For me it's tough for 2 reasons though - I'm in Canada and not near GB first of all, and second I've ordered a small frame through the other supplier.
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Yes, XL
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I've reached out to a few sellers to see if they are interested in doing the group buy. You would pay directly to the seller and frame would be shipped directly to you. I'll keep the group posted.
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OK, to try and calm some of the very understandable fears on jumping in with this group buy.
I've contacted Miracle, Top Fire and Winnow and only Miracle and Top Fire responded. Both of which wanted 50% upfront. Top Fire also suggested the frames were not the same.
If an alternative manufacturer is found that will allow individual payments to be made and go into production once 30 orders are received then I'm in on that. Saves me the hassle for sure.
I've continued down the 50% up front route and decided to go with Miracle as they seemed the most helpful.
I wasn't sure how best to arrange the 50% - I had initially thought I would buy them all and then flog them once they were in the UK. Decided against it for various reasons but wanted to continue with the Group Buy.
As I am not making on the GB, I didn't want the grief of having to pay back paypal payments if the GB didn't work out - hence asking for gift payments - and only asking for money once at least 30 frames were paid for. The actual payment to Mircale is through Alibaba so has there Trade Assurance protection. The difference owed on each frame is paid directly to Miracle and would include paint, accessories and shipping. If anyone chooses to back out along the way then I'd refund and put that frame back out to those that missed out or I'll have it shipped to the UK and sell it privately.
I don't think he'd mind but I have spoken with Sitar_Ned and this GB thread is now a sticky - although he is not directly backing the GB and has no accountability.
Totally understand folks reluctance to dish out money to someone they don't know. Like I said, once we got to 30+ and I ask for payments, you'll get my personal/work email and home/work address and my facebook profile etc. (I'm a financial adviser and I'd lose my career if the police came knocking) different countries tends not to matter these days with social media and I'm not about to lose what little online presence I have for ripping folk off.
I will go back to both Miracle and Top Fire and see if they will accept payments directly and go into production once 30 payments are received but they'll have the same issues if not all 30 frames are purchased. Trust me, it would suit me if they did. Just wanted to help out and get this over the line.
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I am interested in 3 medium sizes matte black j-hamm
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I've contacted Miracle, Top Fire and Winnow and only Miracle and Top Fire responded. Both of which wanted 50% upfront. Top Fire also suggested the frames were not the same.
Both of them are listing the frame as 150 rear, 160 front and geometry charts match. Winow still says 140 rear, 150 front with same geo, too...so idk. Would be nice to have some clarity on that before purchasing.
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Working on quotes from 2 different sellers, no pricing yet. Accepting individual payments and direct ship is a requirement. Shipping is estimated at $160-$220 based on shipping to US and Europe. Lead time is 30-60 days, paint adds 2 weeks. Production will not start until all orders are finalized.
Anyone interested in adding a shock to their frame? Rockshox seems to be an option. Will get more details if anyone is interested.
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OK.
RobertRinAustin - Jenny has asked if we're on the same forum and I've confirmed. Somewhat of a pain as I've been faffing with this for a while now but this is good news. I'm sure they communicate on some level. Both said no to individual payments previously.
Miracle have quoted me $540, Top Fire $560. Top Fire have said the frames are different. Both have said the Carbon used is Toray carbon. I also asked about wheels etc and these need 50% payment as well.
So, happy days, bit of a relief to be honest. Who we going with? RobertRinAustin - can you confirm between them if the frames actually are different?
As there is already a sticky for this, I'm happy to edit it for the new terms.
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OK.
RobertRinAustin - Jenny has asked if we're on the same forum and I've confirmed. Somewhat of a pain as I've been faffing with this for a while now but this is good news. I'm sure they communicate on some level. Both said no to individual payments previously.
Miracle have quoted me $540, Top Fire $560. Top Fire have said the frames are different. Both have said the Carbon used is Toray carbon. I also asked about wheels etc and these need 50% payment as well.
So, happy days, bit of a relief to be honest. Who we going with? RobertRinAustin - can you confirm between them if the frames actually are different?
As there is already a sticky for this, I'm happy to edit it for the new terms.
Thanks for all you've done. I figured you'd talked to the same people, but just played dumb. Doubt they would have agreed to individual payments if you hadn't done the ground work. I've asked both for full specs and geo to compare. I've also asked about payment options.
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I don't recommend Winow sports if you want timely replies to emails and timely delivery. Been working on delivery of two (2) FS30's paid for in late december. Still have not shipped. My tantan out of stock frame waranty shipped before these "in stock" frames shipped. Mind, I had custom paint, but 3+ months for a paint job ? terrible service.
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Miracle has agreed to take individual payments. Everyone will pay Miracle directly. See EddScott's thread that is stickied at the top of the 29" section.
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Miracle has agreed to take individual payments. Everyone will pay Miracle directly. See EddScott's thread that is stickied at the top of the 29" section.
It is just GB at this time?
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Both of them are listing the frame as 150 rear, 160 front and geometry charts match. Winow still says 140 rear, 150 front with same geo, too...so idk. Would be nice to have some clarity on that before purchasing.
The geo looks the same as the hightower so I assume it's the latter. Confirming would be nice though since my fork has a 150mm max.
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It is just GB at this time?
Hi there,
No, shipping to your door now.
https://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=3172.msg26015#msg26015
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So Miracle has some listings on AliBaba with full builds of this frame and they're pairing it with 160mm forks. Someone with more knowledge of geo/this frame vs hightower, do you think it could be run with 210x52.5 shock and 150mm fork to match the hightower? 160f/150r is bit excessive for my area.
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So Miracle has some listings on AliBaba with full builds of this frame and they're pairing it with 160mm forks. Someone with more knowledge of geo/this frame vs hightower, do you think it could be run with 210x52.5 shock and 150mm fork to match the hightower? 160f/150r is bit excessive for my area.
Geo on the Miracle and HT are almost exactly the same.
I think the 52.5 and 150 would get you pretty close. The newest HT is 145 mm rear and a 52.5 would be almost the same.
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So Miracle has some listings on AliBaba with full builds of this frame and they're pairing it with 160mm forks. Someone with more knowledge of geo/this frame vs hightower, do you think it could be run with 210x52.5 shock and 150mm fork to match the hightower? 160f/150r is bit excessive for my area.
I really doubt most people will be able to tell an appreciable real world difference between a hightower clone with a 210x55 and a 210x52.5 shock. Don't overthink it too much. If you want a bit less, just run a 210x50 or 210x52.5 and put the fork you want out front.
My build is probably going to be a 210x52.5 super deluxe and a 150mm pike.
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Dear All:
Really thanks for your supporting of our frame FS-AM831 Enduro Full Suspension bike frame.
Now we have totally confirmed the production time, it would be bulk production on April, and 200 sets would be available in raw marerial around the middle of May.
And we got the bulk order price for you guys.
30 sets, USD540/set( item included frame, headset, BB, thru axle， clamp), not included custom fee, painting and shipping fee.
50 sets, USD499/set( item included frame, headset, BB, thru axle， clamp), not included custom fee, painting and shipping fee.
Now we want to collect the order, since some customer got the different color painting and size.
And the customers from different countries. the shipping way would be differece, we got the shipping, HKEMS, China Post, DHL, WXY( free custom fee）available.
For the painting fee is USD20 for one color(we got the color chart), and USD50 for the chameleon green/purple color, and if you got the customized decals, then please feel free to contact me for the best price.
Any question or help, feel free to let me know.
To collect the order, please feel free to contact me via email and now can be paid the deposit.
Aslo can be chat on wechat, +86 18475368733
email: eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Waited for you good news.
Thanks
Eddy
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Yes, interested
* Size Large (19") or XL (21")
* Color #1 (Grey)
* Located in Barcelona (Spain)
I'm still interested in a frame :
* Size Large (19")
* Color #1 (Grey)
* Located in Barcelona (Spain)
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Eddy - is it possible to add a shock and a fork? If so, what are the options?
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where can i find the color chart?
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Hey guys i just got an email from Eddy H about being able to pay them directly for the frames and we could get the discounted price. I told him i wanted three frames and he asked what color and other info. Has anybody else been in contact with him? He also asked for paypal info so he could send an invoice for the three frames. Is this guy the real deal before i send 1800 USD? I feel way better sending money directly to the company than to a member of chinertown. This is my preferred way?
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Hey guys i just got an email from Eddy H about being able to pay them directly for the frames and we could get the discounted price. I told him i wanted three frames and he asked what color and other info. Has anybody else been in contact with him? He also asked for paypal info so he could send an invoice for the three frames. Is this guy the real deal before i send 1800 USD? I feel way better sending money directly to the company than to a member of chinertown. This is my preferred way?
Eddy and Haideli are legit.
where can i find the color chart?
Color chart is on the first page of this thread.
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Wanted to add this to this thread. It was brought up earlier, but I had forgotten and I doubt I'm the only one.
Just a quick note about sizing. The AM831 runs a size larger than the SC. A medium 831 is the same size as a large SC. Below are the numbers for both frames.
If you're unsure about sizing, here's the link to the SC page. https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/bikes/hightower
AM831
(https://i.imgur.com/8PNMGbt.jpg)
Hightower
(https://i.imgur.com/9o7kGJg.jpg)
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Has Top Fire explained what is different with their frame? Or just that it's *different*?
Anyone have experience with both companies? Or even experience with one or the other and thoughts?
I'm in once I read thru everything again...
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Has Top Fire explained what is different with their frame? Or just that it's *different*?
Anyone have experience with both companies? Or even experience with one or the other and thoughts?
I'm in once I read thru everything again...
They didn't, but based on the way they responded to some of my questions, I doubt the frames are different.
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Please sent me the email for confirm the order details of the color and size.
Sorry that i would not be always online here, so email would be best.
If you want to add in group buy, please contact me immediately by email eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Thanks
Eddy
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They are selling these frames on eBay now.
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Thanks for all the supporting.
Attached the pictures of the groupbuy FS-AM831 Groupbuy A order colors here for reference.
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Will there be a size XS for this frame?
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Now only S size available.