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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: carbonazza on July 16, 2022, 11:40:58 AM
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Some competition to SRAM:
https://bikerumor.com/wheeltop-wireless-mtb-drivetrain-12-speed/
It can(still not sure how) be configured for 7 to 12 speed cassettes.
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Some competition to SRAM:
https://bikerumor.com/wheeltop-wireless-mtb-drivetrain-12-speed/
It can(still not sure how) be configured for 7 to 12 speed cassettes.
Probably just configurable within a utility app?
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Probably just configurable within a utility app?
That would be great indeed.
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That's something that I always thought SRAM should be able to do with AXS. Configurable speeds since it's all electronic.
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I'd be interested in this if the price was better, much better. It's €500 ish on AliExpress anywhere I've seen it, people will just buy axs.
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Here's a bit more info:
https://youtu.be/eISsqEf3r7k
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Here's a bit more info:
https://youtu.be/eISsqEf3r7k
Clutch looks a bit strong, but I suppose difficult to tell.
Really hope the final production version is good ... Shimano and SRAM deserve a kick in the teeth for the ridiculous pricing and feature gating.
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Thread back from the dead, about a product that appears to be dead too.
https://loveforbikes.com/mysterious-disappearance-of-chinese-electronic-rear-derailleur-wheeltop-eds-ox/
I purchased a set of the EDS system last August. I am getting ready to put it on one of my bikes. Though about purchasing another set, and they are nowhere to be found for sale.
Bummer...
I wrote Wheel Tops asking them what happened that they stopped manufacturing and selling them.
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Wheeltop responded to my query of why they are no longer available on Aliexpress, or direct sale.
Where are you come from?We only sell them in select areas.
Best regards
wheeltop sales
I replied back stating USA. They replied:
Sorry, we will contact you as soon as the sale starts in the United States.
Best regards
wheeltop sales
They must have been caught copying at least some part of a SRAM's system and had their hands slapped so that they can't export to a bunch of countries around the world.
It is difficult for "we the consumers" when someone else improves upon a design that is patented and the patent holders intentionally do not improve the product because the company is milking the cow for all it is worth because a few companies own the market.
I hope Wheeltop filed patents for their innovative approach to having a rear derailleur that works with 7 speed through 13 speed cassettes. Market threat to all the others who want to sell us rear derailleurs that only work for a given speed cassette.
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Update on Wheel Top EDX drivetrain.
I have 2 of these derailleurs on my latest 29er hardtail 1 X 12 builds. I really love how these electric derailleurs are working. First install has around 100 flawless off road miles, the second one was installed this morning and I went out and rode 20 fun miles of trails and single track.
There are a few sellers on Aliexpress that list them for sale and will ship to the USA.
I believe that I am hooked on these wireless electric derailleurs. I have not owned either Scumano or SCRAM electronic systems, therefore I can't compare the EDS to them, but so far the EDS OX is a fantastic upgrade.
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What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?
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What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?
novelty :)
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What is the point of buying wheeltop edx while a GX AXS is cheaper and proven?
Or is the quality of wheeltop more on the same level as XX1 groupset?
Here is why I went this direction versus SRAM.
- Weight, my EDS OX, with battery, weighs 350 grams. XX1 weighs 373 grams, X01 =390 grams, GX-AXS weighs 463 grams.
- My inspection indicates that the manufacturing, quality and finish of the EDS is right up there with XX1 and XO1. (Therefore my cost delta comparison is EDS VS at least X01)
- (Not that I need this feature) but using the WheelTop app, lets you reconfigure the derailleur to work with 8 through 13 speed cassettes compatible with almost all brands of cassettes.) Wow! something generic in the world of proprietary shifting systems where the the 3 big boys intentionally change and make your groupset obsolete every few years and you can't mix and match parts between brands, because they "optimize" shifting to one set of specific parts.
- At least to date, the shifting is smooth, fast, and quiet and with only a push of the button. Side note: I have been wanting to go electric/wireless for a couple years now because of a right wrist injury and increasing arthritis on the back of my hands that causes sharp pain having to shift standard Mtn bike shift pods)
Time will tell if I still love this product a year from now.
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Now this is very interesting...
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.1.63ed4c3dFoZ6D0&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.333918.0&scm_id=1007.40000.333918.0&scm-url=1007.40000.333918.0&pvid=4cb36b1e-8e44-4134-aa12-4663a8e06046&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.333918.0,pvid:4cb36b1e-8e44-4134-aa12-4663a8e06046,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238115%23886&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2152.11%2126.05%21%21%21%21%21%402103244616858876996373344e8981%2112000033891266851%21rec%21US%21122805404
Looks like in May 2023 at the Taipei Cycle show WheelTop showed 2 other versions of their EDS OX derailleurs. Ones with 58mm and 75mm cages. Articles state they are for road, hybrid or folding bike applications with flat handlebars. (Likely because the shift pod is sized to 22.2 diameter flat handlebars rather than drop road bars).
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I do really like this approach of letting us truly choose the cage, numbe of speeds and mounting.
If only we weren't restricted by the braking lever on the road. STI was a disaster for consumers
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looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html seems like a bargain
(fixed the link)
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One a Whim, I just purchased 2 of them. I really can't see how or why WheelTop would change their internal derailleur programming to only work with a SRAM Cassette. In order for the limit set screw adjustments for the low/high gear/cog to work properly, they still would need to be able to fine tune the derailleur cage position relative to the highest gear on the cassette.
Perhaps the store selling this combo doesn't know or want to advertise the phone app that will let you adjust all of the features that the derailleur offers.
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One a Whim, I just purchased 2 of them. I really can't see how or why WheelTop would change their internal derailleur programming to only work with a SRAM Cassette. In order for the limit set screw adjustments for the low/high gear/cog to work properly, they still would need to be able to fine tune the derailleur cage position relative to the highest gear on the cassette.
Perhaps the store selling this combo doesn't know or want to advertise the phone app that will let you adjust all of the features that the derailleur offers.
How would the derailleur even know you're using a SRAM cassette? It's just an HG hub cassette with a 12 speed 11-50t cassette.
I'm almost tempted to buy this for a flat bar gravel setup!
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$273.59usd is pretty damn cheap considering the GX is $600+
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looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.htm seems like a bargain
I can't actually see what this link has - just goes to a blank page (not even Alix homepage). When I do "Wheeltop EDX" search I get random derailleur search results like Deore and L-Twoo, nothing remotely close to Wheeltop. Anyone with same issue?
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I can't actually see what this link has - just goes to a blank page (not even Alix homepage).
add an "L" after "htm" ;)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html
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Has anyone seen the dropbar version pop up yet? I've only seen the coming soon on their website.
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Has anyone seen the dropbar version pop up yet? I've only seen the coming soon on their website.
It was shown at the shanghai bike show with mediocre reviews, but it's definitely not out
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looks like prices are starting to drop on these
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005637952302.html seems like a bargain
(fixed the link)
LOL no longer available. People jumped on that quick.
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LOL no longer available. People jumped on that quick.
Yeah, it looked like a pricing error when I first saw it....
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I ordered 2 the other day and they are already on their way to me. ;D
I influenced 2 other friends to order a set each. Therefore I caused 4 of the orders, when their stock count was a 10 units.
Anyone else order a set on this forum?
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I ordered 2 the other day and they are already on their way to me. ;D
I influenced 2 other friends to order a set each. Therefore I caused 4 of the orders, when their stock count was a 10 units.
Anyone else order a set on this forum?
I do, ordered one. I never tried AXS nor Wireless system before, but this price tag is just hard to resist.
Ayway, anyone know how I can find the APK for Android APP? I couldn't find one in Playstore
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They hide the links to the apps fairly well. A few of the stores on Aliexpress posted them in the past.
(I still have not been able to get the Android version of their app to work for in the US. I wrote Wheeltop weeks ago, when a "working version for the US" will be available and they never got back to me.)
I set up an account, but when I put in my login, it slams by location to Canada, then my login doesn't work. OTOH, on my wife's Apple phone I was able to login and use the app.
ALPPE IOS APP:http://121.196.97.253/api/app/others/app/download?packageName=com.wheeltop.ride
Android APP: https://wheeltop.oss-cn-shenzhen.aliyuncs.com/1658243982749app-release.apk
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Sweet thanks Tijoe
I also hard to believe that they will make dedicated S/W to restricted use for just 10 sets
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Just got them on my hand today
But I bent my rear wheel, so need to wait for awhile to try
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"Posted while scratching my head wondering about this variant of the EDS OX"
On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805159928716.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.115.7c1cMf7PMf7PCS&algo_pvid=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc&algo_exp_id=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc-57&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21420.9%21399.86%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf49716874458129797064d07c1%2112000033992666065%21sea%21US%21122805404&curPageLogUid=socUtnteY7Fr
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"Posted while scratching my head wondering about this variant of the EDS OX"
On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805159928716.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.115.7c1cMf7PMf7PCS&algo_pvid=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc&algo_exp_id=34a47020-9f02-4bac-8a8e-427cb6ff01bc-57&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21420.9%21399.86%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf49716874458129797064d07c1%2112000033992666065%21sea%21US%21122805404&curPageLogUid=socUtnteY7Fr
Isn't that the version that Wheeltop was forced to make because SRAM sued them? I would think the removable battery version is the more better version to have.
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I've spent hours trying to find any legal proceedings by SRAM against Wheeltop. (LANXI WHEEL TOP CYCLE INDUSTRIES CO. ) I have not been able to find anything other than speculation. If you have any links or information, please post. I would like to find out more.
- I suspect that there was some sort of "cease and desist" letter sent to Wheeltop because Wheeltop did write me once that they could not sell their product in the US and several other countries. An integrated battery might be the work around?
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Just got a time to try it today with app.
Seem like this SPECIAL version cannot connect to the APP
Any one tried, and work. Plz plz plz share
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My latest order of the "combo with cassette, chain and EDS"f has not arrived yet. No help here. You should still be able to pair the button module to the derailleur and set it up on the bike in its manual set up mode.
What app are you trying to use? Apple or Android?
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Yes, I can still pair with the bottom, but my app on Android can't find the derailleur.
Not sure why, or older version may work, or Change county would work ?
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"On another forum that has a Wheeltop EDS thread going, they posted an image of a different version of the EDS OX with what appears to be a "fixed battery" with a built in connector to charge the battery.
I am pretty sure Joe from China Cycling on YouTube mentioned it, officially for better water proofing, but suspects SRAM, their patents and lawyers with cease and desist letter.
That said Campagnolo's new groupset has removable batteries (just different front and rear) so Wheeltop could switch back next generation, if water proofing issues resolved ;-) and say to SRAM "Campagnolo have removable batteries, so why can't we". As SRAM will not take legal action against Campagnolo, and that lack of action can be used as a legal defense.
visited this thread looking for info on Wheeltop Road EDS drivetrain that was on display at EuroBike (have go through my youtube history and rewatch videos to find out who).
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Isn't that the version that Wheeltop was forced to make because SRAM sued them? I would think the removable battery version is the more better version to have.
I can't believe they were able to get a patent on the concept of removable battery. Being able to put a patent on such a basic concept is ridiculous.
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Yup, that's intellectual "property for you" . They even claim monopolies on colors, and both sram and shimano are very aggressive on patents. Not to get too political but the consumer really suffers from this bullshit :-\
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Just mail to WheelTop and ask why the app can't find the device.
They then send me link to latest app release. Now, just able to connect to the APP, and yes we can fine tune, and select from 7-13speed like normal products.
I did update firmware to lastet version as well.
Just wait for my new wheel, and this weekend, hopefully I can test this OX
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Found another listing, looks like they discontinued the removable battery per the vendor comments in a review.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.170f9VHa9VHaBb&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21793.44%21396.72%21%21%21%21%21%402101eac916878822752237066e7421%2112000034229198812%21rec%21US%21785098199 (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805370232769.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.170f9VHa9VHaBb&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:cc18f98c-40ff-487e-bc6f-66679a6a2586,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%21793.44%21396.72%21%21%21%21%21%402101eac916878822752237066e7421%2112000034229198812%21rec%21US%21785098199)
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Just mail to WheelTop and ask why the app can't find the device.
They then send me link to latest app release. Now, just able to connect to the APP, and yes we can fine tune, and select from 7-13speed like normal products.
I did update firmware to lastet version as well.
Just wait for my new wheel, and this weekend, hopefully I can test this OX
Can you please post the link to the latest version of the application for Android.
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I see several future problems with the change in the battery design.
1. I have purchased and received a total of 4 of the kits with a removable battery. Now that they have changed the design, I wonder how long the batteries will last before they no longer take a charge? one year, 2 years, 3 years? Once my batteries no longer take a charge, what will I use to keep the derailleur powered? Will I have used the derailleur so much riding my bikes that I will want to replace the derailleur with a new one before the batteries die?
2. With a fixed battery I see 2 problems. First, If you are on the trail and the fixed battery runs out of power you are stuck. No way to shift. - ride it home fixed gear? Perhaps carry some sort of power bank and sit next to the bike until the derailleur get enough charge to get yo home? Second, what happens when the battery no longer takes a charge? Can the battery be removed and replaced?
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I see several future problems with the change in the battery design.
1. I have purchased and received a total of 4 of the kits with a removable battery. Now that they have changed the design, I wonder how long the batteries will last before they no longer take a charge? one year, 2 years, 3 years? Once my batteries no longer take a charge, what will I use to keep the derailleur powered? Will I have used the derailleur so much riding my bikes that I will want to replace the derailleur with a new one before the batteries die?
2. With a fixed battery I see 2 problems. First, If you are on the trail and the fixed battery runs out of power you are stuck. No way to shift. - ride it home fixed gear? Perhaps carry some sort of power bank and sit next to the bike until the derailleur get enough charge to get yo home? Second, what happens when the battery no longer takes a charge? Can the battery be removed and replaced?
You should email there support and ask. There has to be a way to remove the battery and replace it. I can't image they would make it hard to replace for a full derailleur. I would think it would be something like the attached pic.
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I am becoming frustrated fast. I deleted the Wheeltop app from my Android/Samsung phone. and loaded whatever app is posted on the web link I had. I was able to log in, and get to the "add equipment" page. When I press the "find nearby devices" nothing is found, and the app goes back to the previous page.
I switched to my wife's Apple phone. On this version of the app, it finds the new derailleur. When I try to bind the derailleur to the app. It wont bind and connect to the derailleur. Tried many times.
Then I tried inputting the MAC ID listed for the derailleur on the Apple App, back into the option on my Android version, and nothing happens.
I am wondering if the Aliexpress special sale that included the SRAM/chain is something unique, where they might have disabled the ability to change the derailleur settings.
Thoughts?
I would also like to see a link to the App that Sriracha used to set up his derailleur.
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Can you please post the link to the latest version of the application for Android.
you got it.
I did installed and work well.
http://121.196.97.253/api/app/others/app/download?packageName=com.wheeltop.ride
I plan to switch back to 10 speed soon, as the lightweight 11-50 is available in 10 speed.
Normally I ride Enduro trail, so no need 12 speed, but I need good range
Kong
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you got it.
I did installed and work well.
I plan to switch back to 10 speed soon, as the lightweight 11-50 is available in 10 speed.
Normally I ride Enduro trail, so no need 12 speed, but I need good range
Kong
The link?
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The link?
edited with link
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FYI. The android version of the Wheeltop App that Sriracha has works properly, versus the version that the sellers send you a link to. I am now a happy owner of my EDS OX derailleurs.
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Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
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Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
Sweet bike
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Stumbled upon this thread randomly one day from Google, went down a rabbit hole on aliexpress lol. Thanks all.
Wheeltop EDS, 29 carbon wheels and maxxis tires
This whole forum is a rabbit hole. ;D
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900 mile review using the EDS OX with a removable battery.
Overall I am very pleased with the performance and battery life of this system!!!
I had one strange thing happen, and then one other issue I need to look into.
1. Before a multi-day ride, I left the bike sitting for 2 weeks with almost a fully charged battery. Tried to ride the bike and it wouldn't shift. Battery was drained. Swapped battery and it started shifting properly. (Makes me wonder if one will need to keep the new model fixed batter version, hooked up to its charger when the bike is sitting there.)
2. I decided to ride a 800K/500 mile bike-packing trip with 9000M/30K+ feet of rolling-hill climbing. Seemed like almost continuous shifting non-stop for 12 hours a day.
I was pleased to find that the battery lasted 3 days, before I decided to swap it out and install a fresh charged one.
3. After about 3 hundred miles, the derailleur stopped shifting crisply between several of the gears. (The bike suffered through rain, mud, dust, and a lot of non-stop shifting and it was working on a 53+ pound loaded-up bike.)
I still haven't looked into why it stopped shifting a few single cog/gears. I am thinking that I need to tune/adjust it by one or two pushes of the button in teach mode. Since I haven't looked into it in detail, it could also be a cassette issue. Shimano XT Cassette has about 4K miles on it with little cleaning.
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Wow that's intense.
Mine just charged once after purchase. My ride is most likely Enduro