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Chinese Carbon MTB => 26er & 27.5 (650b) => Topic started by: elgaucher on May 27, 2021, 04:51:56 AM
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Hey there !
Since not a lot of people documented on building a p1 , I decided to start my own thread on it.
Little background, last year during the pandemic, my girlfriend really started enjoying Riding.
Now, with this issue of bike shortage, the only nice used bike we were able to get was a 2017 devinci spartan small.
This bike is a beast by the way, way overkill for the kind of riding my girlfriend does. The only issue with it is that my GF is 5" and that small is just way to big.
So many time I've seen her just "jump out of saddle to bail on something because she just can't dab on that bike or even sit over the top tube.
This year , she decided she like bike more then enough to treat herself with an XS size bike and with the bike shortage still going full speed, we opted to build an Ican P1 with most of the part from the Devinci.
Here's what the build will look like :
- Ican P1 XS UD Matte
- Fox Float DPS 200x51
- RockShox Yari 150mm (might drop to 140mm if adding an angleset or offset bushing as the HTA of the P1 is kinda meh to me)
- Mach1 Trucky 650B wheelset, 30mm inner width, 32h spokes, Tubeless ready, pretty budget friendly
- DHR2 2.4wt / DHF 2.5wt
- 11speed NX drivetrains w/ a 28T chainring from nsbillet (such a good way to upgrade an 11-42T cassette range to have a better granny gear for her)
- Sram Level T brakes w/ 180mm rotor ( At 105lbs, she's even complaining that those are still too powerful...)
- Devinci 45mm stem
- Raceface Atlas bar
- CrankBrother Stamp 1 pedals
- PNW loam grips
- Ks Lev Integra 100mm
So far so good , frame looks in good shape.
Now it's just a question of waiting on the parts we couldn't transfer from the donor to arrive than the fun begin :)
Cheers !
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Thanks for sharing your build. I will also be building a P1 XS frame for my wife and look forward to your progress. I’m curious about tire fitment. Ican says 27.5x2.1 max will fit on the XS and S frame but I had thought they use the same rear triangle since the geometry is the same. Can you check clearance on the back?
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Thanks for sharing your build. I will also be building a P1 XS frame for my wife and look forward to your progress. I’m curious about tire fitment. Ican says 27.5x2.1 max will fit on the XS and S frame but I had thought they use the same rear triangle since the geometry is the same. Can you check clearance on the back?
I’m testing tomorrow with my own set of wheels since we’re still waiting on her to arrive.
I have a 27.5x2.4wt dissector so will see !
Still waiting on part for now but I’ve got the bottom bracket and crankset test fitted. I wasn’t sure if the non-boost nx crank from the devinci would fit or not. Looks clear to me
More test fit to come tomorrow!
Cheers
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Test fitted more parts tonight manly checking for rear tire clearance.
Max tire size is 27.5x2.8 even on a Xs frame. I’ve put my own rear wheel that has a 2.4wt on a 30mm inner width rim and there’s plenty of space left.
Frame standover is perfect for the wifey at 5” / 26” inseam.
More to come when parts arrive !
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I wish there was a shorter chainstay option for this frame.
I'm currently trying to work out if I could try and machine new dropouts into the space between the cs pivot and existing axle to make in more like a 420mm rear center for a 26" rear.
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I wish there was a shorter chainstay option for this frame.
I'm currently trying to work out if I could try and machine new dropouts into the space between the cs pivot and existing axle to make in more like a 420mm rear center for a 26" rear.
Yeah it’s really made for a plus tire or a 29er. Smaller wheels looks out of proportion in there.
I’m wondering if my wife will notice the growth from 432 chainstays to 443... bike overall still way smaller than her devinci so will see
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Little update as we are still waiting for parts.
Decided to be safe and grease + loctite every pivot bolts on the frame and I’m happy I did, only the chainstays had a bit of loctite to them.
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Other little piece of knowledge:
Max insertion length for post is 195mm
We’re probably will go with a oneUp 120mm. Insert length is 207mm on it but will shim it to 110mm of travel and bring the post out of the frame a bit
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A bit of bike p*rn.
Build is ready at 99%, waiting on shock hardware lol… always the little things.
Some of the things on that picture will change soon , still waiting on them to arrive like new cockpit and new dropper but not urgent for now
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A bit of bike p*rn.
Build is ready at 99%, waiting on shock hardware lol… always the little things.
Some of the things on that picture will change soon , still waiting on them to arrive like new cockpit and new dropper but not urgent for now
Maybe some brakes and shifter too ;D
Have fun for your build !
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Maybe some brakes and shifter too ;D
Have fun for your build !
Hehe they are there, the gf didn’t want to add them to the pic, “it’s will look like a cable mess” I quote xD
We’re reusing her 11speed nx and sram level T for now :) well enough for her need and keep the build price lower
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So build is mostly done. Waiting on a new shifter cable as the old one is too short.
Internal routing is as worst as I remember, the guide don’t help at all imo is just a question of poking around and having a small small pair of tweezer to pull on cable to exit correctly.
I’m surprised on the quality of the wheels for the price. Velomine has really good deals for budget alloy rims. We’ll see later how they hold tubeless.
I’ve bought a Granite design aux water bottle but I’m not sure yet if a 500ml would fit, the frame is extra extra small afterall lol
We’ll report this weekend on the first ride how it went !
Cheers
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Test fitted more parts tonight manly checking for rear tire clearance.
Max tire size is 27.5x2.8 even on a Xs frame. I’ve put my own rear wheel that has a 2.4wt on a 30mm inner width rim and there’s plenty of space left.
Sounds great. I have a 27.5 wheel set with 2.8 on it so we’ll see how that goes.
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Sounds great. I have a 27.5 wheel set with 2.8 on it so we’ll see how that goes.
Share the build once it’s done !
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Hehe they are there, the gf didn’t want to add them to the pic, “it’s will look like a cable mess” I quote xD
We’re reusing her 11speed nx and sram level T for now :) well enough for her need and keep the build price lower
She may have modest needs, but she has a manual machine already :D
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She may have modest needs, but she has a manual machine already :D
Hehe yep and she built it herself also ! This year she’s really pushing to get better in the sport.
Last season she finally conquered her first black trails and this year only after 2 months of riding she’s got 3 doubles black done :D
About the nx tho, it’s really in bad shape. Yesterday I had to completely disassemble the derailleur as the clutch spring unwinded somehow and it had no tension on the chains.
Chains was also too small but I had a friend who had a spare that I could buy as least.
She’ll probably get my box three prime9 soon when I myself we’ll upgrade the box two
Bonus pic of her first ride yesterday
Cheers
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...Last season she finally conquered her first black trails and this year only after 2 months of riding she’s got 3 doubles black done...
Wow... impressive. I'm an XC, roadie, gravel guy.
A true bunny hop is still a distant dream, but started to improve my skills too, to not waste my shiny new full suspension 8)
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First ride report and here’s it what the girl had to say :
- the bike feel quick and really snappy
- it’s more nervous than the spartan ( that’s to be expected coming from a long low enduro to a less aggressive trail bike
I’ll probably slap a 9point8 slackR on it anyway since the hta need to come down anyway to be modernized!
Cheers
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A bit of feedback again.
I’ve fitter maxxis rekon+ 27.5x2.8 and a forekaster 27.5x2.8 on the bike and there’s still room to spare.
Those were just old plus tyres that I had laying around for the girl to test if she would prefer de damp feeling of plus tires.
Btw mesured the bb height on 27.5x2.4 : 315mm so really low
On 2.8 : 335mm , pretty much a safe bet
We’ll probably get a dhr/dhf in 2.8 now
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I got specs from ICAN for the headset, they say its;
41.8/30. 15x6x45deg
52/40. 15x7x45deg
So, as yet there's no Slack-R for it which i as shame as that takes this off the table for me at 68.5deg.
Was getting complicated with trying to work out if I could fit megatower chainstay flip chips and run it non boost.
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I got specs from ICAN for the headset, they say its;
41.8/30. 15x6x45deg
52/40. 15x7x45deg
So, as yet there's no Slack-R for it which i as shame as that takes this off the table for me at 68.5deg.
Was getting complicated with trying to work out if I could fit megatower chainstay flip chips and run it non boost.
perhaps you can try offset bushings, they helped make my 69.5 deg HTA bike a bit more stable :)
https://www.offsetbushings.com/
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The STA is already too slack for my plans.
If the slackR becomes available in 42mm, I'll jump on it.
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Any chance a 3" tire on 35~40mm ID rim would fit on this frame?
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@elgaucher
Hey just came across your post! I've build a P1 myself as well last year.
Thanks for sharing yours and your GFs build!
I'm planning on removing pivot bearings to grease them up as well
What bearing puller do you use or recommend?
Thanks!
-Crankydad
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Any chance a 3" tire on 35~40mm ID rim would fit on this frame?
Isn't a 3" tyre too wide for a 35-40mm rim? I would have thought 2.6 or 2.8 would have been the widest that rim would take.
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Isn't a 3" tyre too wide for a 35-40mm rim? I would have thought 2.6 or 2.8 would have been the widest that rim would take.
A friend who rides a 496, has 3" tires on 36mm/42mm rims, since 2017
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1159.msg13191.html#msg13191
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A friend who rides a 496, has 3" tires on 36mm/42mm rims, since 2017
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1159.msg13191.html#msg13191
Yeah and I've heard of people throwing 140mm forks on frames designed for 100mm, that doesn't meant its a good idea or safe.
Image taken from page 3 of here https://www.maxxis.com/us/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2022/02/2022-Bicycle-Tech.pdf
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This chart didn't exist, and Peter told me 3" would be ok, so it was safe at that time ;)