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Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Quote from: Sakizashi on November 19, 2023, 08:54:41 PM
Without commenting on the YouTubers, I think the best-value frame that has evidence of aero testing in development is probably the Elilee Blize (~$1700 shipped USD including bar).

Wheels, probably Hunt’s aerodynamicist line or the Zipp 303S? I cant think of a Chinese offering that has been developed in that manner.

Bars, EXS?

Elilee looks as aerodynamic as cow on ice. It looks like V4RS, Trek Emonda and other lightweight race bikes, but aero it's not. You're billion times better off with Winspace T1500, even if it costs bit more
November 20, 2023, 02:51:25 AM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023 Maybe I was wrong, I actually found a photo of Elves aerodynamics research and development department.
November 21, 2023, 06:11:10 PM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023
Quote from: coffeebreak on November 22, 2023, 01:25:03 PM
I'm glad you went ahead with this frame. This thread was getting very tiring.

Wishes for the build, looking forward to final result.

No one is forcing you to read it. If you find it tiring, just move along.
November 23, 2023, 12:27:16 AM 		1
Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road My Yishun R086-D review is live

YouTube Title: Yishun R086D Review - Budget Perfection
November 26, 2023, 12:05:15 PM 		1
Re: Elves Falath EVO 2023 I'm not going to delete or moderate anything, I just want to ask you all to please try and keep it respectful. Feel free to disagree with each other but leave the name-calling out of it, we don't want that type of discourse here.
November 28, 2023, 09:43:49 AM 		1
Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter Absolutely not erg mode, just a set, constant resistance
May 07, 2024, 05:57:55 AM 		1
Re: Tavelo Aero Frame Actually I must apologise, I misunderstood what tavelo is and can understand their prices now. They're not a bike company, they're a marketing company selling bikes, it's like specialized on steroids. They charge this much because they can. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the value proposition product is if it sells.

Their exorbitant markup for non-chinese market is because every frame they sell here potentially loses them eyes in their main market and because they don't really need us the sales quantity losses are balanced out by the suckers that will pay this much.
May 09, 2024, 12:03:02 PM 		1
Re: Tavelo Aero Frame I think PP offers value mainly on the QC aspect and communication after that it’s up to each individual to decide what is the value of service and if it aligns with PP mark up. The problem is that in a depressed used market or even brand new with 50% off being the rage, the value proposition of chiner built is a lot harder to justify especially once considering resale value.
May 12, 2024, 06:43:40 AM 		1
Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
Quote from: Ludo on May 12, 2024, 06:43:40 AM
I think PP offers value mainly on the QC aspect and communication after that it’s up to each individual to decide what is the value of service and if it aligns with PP mark up. The problem is that in a depressed used market or even brand new with 50% off being the rage, the value proposition of chiner built is a lot harder to justify especially once considering resale value.

QC: Panda podium inspects themselves every item they sell? There's no way, right?
May 13, 2024, 02:26:40 AM 		1
Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
Quote from: Ludo on May 13, 2024, 05:44:47 AM
The frames, that’s what I gathered from one of his video…

It might be true but I highly doubt it for various reasons. It it doesn't clearly say on the website you can safely assume that they don't.
May 13, 2024, 06:08:19 AM 		1