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At the back of my mind I still worry that I am subjecting the rear rim to bad stresses via the radially laced spokes on the disc-side.

That should not be the case, provided that your rim is drilled for a 2:1 pattern? If your rim has the usual drilling with alternating holes angled left and right then it won't be compatible with 2:1 lacing, because that obviously requires 2 holes angled to the DS followed by 1 to the NDS. But I'm assuming you know that.

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Something I noticed is that on the rear wheel, I have pretty much dead-even spoke tension across both sides. In my mind this seems desirable, no?

Yes. That's exactly what you want. And 2:1 lacing was invented exactly for this purpose. On a traditional 2crossed rim brake rear wheel with let's say 12spokes on each side, you'd get as little as 50% or less of the spoke tension on the NDS compared to the DS. Particularly with aluminium rims where usually the max spoke tension must not exceed about 1200N, you'll get less than 600N on the NDS. That's low enough that the spokles might detension themselves over time when the wheel hits potholes etc. With (high quality) carbon rims the spoke tension can be higher. I've built wheels with spoke tension in the 1500N range. That makes detensioning less of an issue. With carbon spokes the tension is even higher because those are not as elastic as steel spokes so they need to be tightened to crazy high tensions.
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Maintenance, Mechanics, & Tools / Cut in tyre - Glue
« Last post by BeR on May 16, 2024, 10:50:30 AM »
Hello,

Unfortunately, my new tires P zero race tubetype (not the picture but same hole) suffered a small cut from a piece of glass and I had a puncture. Since the tire was weakened, I saw that some people recommended using Shoe Goo to repair this cut.

This glue is not available near me and I wanted to know if neoprene glue could have the same effect? If not, what glue would you recommend?
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Hey Sebastian, thanks for the notes and kind feedback!

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If this really is your first ever wheelbuild then you chose something with quite the steep learning curve ;)

I've rebuilt 2 wheels in the past to replace carbon rims broken in racing incidents. Not sure if that counts! Definitely was my first time speccing out a full build and calculating spoke lengths, I think half the fun was playing around with spreadsheets and fantasizing about different builds.

I definitely agree with you that the decisions to go for 21-spokes and internal nipples are the most disagreeable and impractical choices I made. I've already had to strip my rear wheel to re-tension and true after the first 100k, and the front wheel will be next soon. No doubt a PITA, one I knowingly signed up for. I appreciate your notes on spoke hole sizes as well, good to hear a more experienced perspective on this idea.

I also appreciate your notes on the 2:1 lacing;
The decision to go for the 21-spoke build felt like a risk. At the back of my mind I still worry that I am subjecting the rear rim to bad stresses via the radially laced spokes on the disc-side. Will it be worth the 29 grams, and indeterminable, marginal CdA that I saved? Only time will tell, I suppose.

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Ever since disc brakes, both side's spokes had to move inboard and the difference in spoke angle and tension isn't as bad as it used to be. So the advantage of 2:1 isn't really as big as it used to be.

Something I noticed is that on the rear wheel, I have pretty much dead-even spoke tension across both sides. In my mind this seems desirable, no? Obviously since I'm new to this, I could be overlooking something or overstating the importance of this. On that note, something I do not like about these hubs is that on the front wheel, the radially-laced side achieve significantly higher tension than the crossed spokes. The idea that a minority of the spokes on a wheel are at a higher tension than the majority does not sit well with me, especially on a design that is supposed to "balance" spoke tensions. In retrospect, I agree that an asymmetric rim is probably the better way to do it, the asymmetric rims on my ICAN Aero 35s does a much better job balancing spoke tensions on the front wheel.

Anyways, I definitely learned a lot from the experience of building these wheels. I think next I'll build up some gravel wheels, and stick to a more traditional build ;)
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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Last post by kubackje on May 16, 2024, 10:20:51 AM »
I vividly recall a time when Giant was just a new upstart brand selling cheap bikes.

Back then my friend even sniggered "what kind of a name is Giant"

Giant has a giant factory and makes carbon bikes for half of the world. Tavelo is a Chinese boutique brand that sells frames with their own logo. Two different stories.
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Does anyone know of a high quality silicone grip similar to an ESI Extra Chunky?
I'm using ones from ODI, was like less than $5 on sale, and good quality (durability still to be checked)
but they seem more like the chunky ESI's, not 'extra'
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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Awesome Pricing on Rival Drivetrain Stuff
« Last post by Noladutch on May 16, 2024, 09:30:12 AM »
Yep the ten tooth thing is super overblown. That cog is for down hill any watts given up are gravity assisted watts. If you are in that cog on flat ground buy bigger front rings.

Hell I run a e thirteen 9 46 on my gravel rig but that 9 tooth is for down hill only.
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Pass quest put out a carbon crankset too!

2200rmb(~$300) for crank arms only, dub spindle, 326g

It's a lot more expensive on ali and looks like a rebadged cybrei
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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: LTWOO eGR
« Last post by amacal1 on May 16, 2024, 08:22:12 AM »
Ltwoo's idea is to use the left-hand button to control the electronic dropper seatpost. This dropper seatpost is expected to be released in the second half of this year, along with the mountain electronic derailleur. As for the accompanying shifting logic issues, it is indeed a frustrating design choice, but it seems that there are no other options at the moment.

That's good info, and I'm sure many people would be interested in an electronic remote dropper post option. I think it would be neat if there were some compatibility between the eGR lineup and the eR9 lineup, so that an eR9 front derailleur could be paired with a eGR rear derailleur and still function.

Also, I don't know how open the protocols are, but it would be neat if those buttons could be used to control a bike computer (i.e. scroll through screens on a head unit). We have these 2 extra buttons just sitting there, sure would be nice if there were more things we could do with them.

... AND can't be powered with the eGR battery pack (the second power port is blank)

THIS is the single most confusing decision I've yet seen made for this system. I noticed the same thing when I installed my eGR, that the battery pack has a space for the second power port but that it was blanked off. WHY?!!!  I can't imagine it saves them money, if anything it probably costs more in the long run to have to maintain two different part production, stock, etc. Maybe it was to prevent issues related to moisture or other things, but then why not a little rubber plug or something. Even if it wasn't an elegantly designed rubber plug, just some random bit of rubber shoved in the hole that was a PITA to remove later would be better than no port at all.

Assuming that their customers like their products and buy more of them, it sure would be nice to have an extra battery pack that could be used between the 2x systems and the 1x systems. I'm still wary of how long my eGR may last and wary of all the reports about failures in the eR9, but so far it's been great and the price was incredible. If that continues to be the case, I could see myself buying an eR9 for my road bike.
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also mine is 2x11 53-36 and 11-25. I will give feedback if something tell new this support .

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Today chat with store and fianlly nothing new, same info  like
"When changing gears with shift, the crank needs to be cranked up, otherwise the RD will flash a red light and not move."
It's very hard to talk with them ;/ now again I'm waiting for any response ;/
Today I will also test with another battery, maybe there is some drops of Voltage ?? FD need more power to change gear i think
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you run 2x11 or 12? Yestrerday I was testing and with gear protection off my system go down after only one change from 1 to 2 at front, with gear protection on this situation happend less often. I think this is connected with some adjusment of FD, when shift on front is smooth then is ok, when not system is blocking.

I'm in contact with Ltwoo and Store from aliexpress ,but damn, they are silent ;/ Support even not exist

Could somone whith 53-36 on front take photo of FD when is at second gear ( now mine is set with sticker 3mm up the tooth) and screen with calibration for FD on 1 and 2 gear (i know that this depends which frame, hanger etc.)

//Edit: I have contact with a few people with Ltwoo and I have tommorow video call or chat with someone from tech support, will see
it's 2x11 with 50-34 and 11-32
really looking forward to the outcome of your video call
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