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Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road Patrick - Spent 4+ minutes studying your photo trying to locate the stand...did you edit it out?  ???   

My R086-D arrived in 7 days.  I've yet to build it up but the bottle placement on my 500mm seems fine.  Perhaps an issue with larger sizes...

In theory, the geometry suits me perfectly with the added benefit of a lower stack. I race USAC and my strength is getting in long breakaways. I'm known in the area for offering very little draft so I'm very interested if I can keep that CdA advantage rolling with this setup.  I also race a lot of crits so this price-point really makes sense to me from a sustainability standpoint. Win-win.

I'll post pics and feedback once I get this thing on the road.  Cheers!
October 18, 2023, 09:27:51 PM 		2
Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
Quote from: chughes on December 13, 2023, 08:26:38 PM
Anyone tried this frameset with a carbon spoke wheelset with a rim depth of 45mm or less. What's the  ride feel like, especially bad payment? Considering getting probably a 40mm depth carbon spoke wheelset for this frame

Finished my build today w/ Elite Drive 50D wheels. Taking her out for a spin tomorrow. Roads can be rough here in Dallas TX, I'll report back w/ impressions and hopefully some footage.
December 20, 2023, 01:12:33 AM 		1
Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road
Quote from: chughes on January 02, 2024, 09:54:33 AM
@CJ any update?

Sorry! Been having way too much fun on this bike to post but alas...today the fun ended, at least temporarily.

I'll post my impressions shortly...
January 07, 2024, 05:37:00 PM 		1
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure Thanks, I initiated a claim and I purchased them directly from Elitewheels.  Will provide updates along the process.
January 07, 2024, 08:11:43 PM 		2
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure
Quote from: patliean1 on January 07, 2024, 08:47:37 PM
Easiest way to get a Chinese brand's attention is to call them out by making a video. But I only advise this if you've made every attempt in good faith to work it out directly with said brand privately.

LOL hoping it won't get to that but that's a useful word of caution coming from someone as experienced...and dare I say "influential"... as you are, Pat ;D I knew what I signed up for going the Xiamen route. Hoping for a quick resolution but prepared for an arduous tooth-pulling saga.
January 07, 2024, 09:48:25 PM 		1
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure
Quote from: jonathanf2 on January 07, 2024, 09:25:34 PM
Elite Wheels sent me a free replacement rim when mine was damaged, though I had to re-lace the spokes myself (sent it to my LBS). Just give them a detailed description, pictures and order details. I'd ask for a full wheel replacement in your case though.

Good to know! Did you submit your claim through their Service Center Form?
January 07, 2024, 09:50:03 PM 		1
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure Just woke up to the following email from Anthony, that was pretty darn quick! A rebuild not my 1st choice but I'll take it Will continue to update everyone.

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Hello Chris,

Thank you for reaching us.

We are very sorry for the problem and the inconvenience caused to you.

We will send one new rear rim for your replacement. When you receive it, could you help us find a reliable local bike shop to replace the rim and rebuild the wheel for you? We will cover all the service costs incurred.

If it is okay with you, could you ask the bike shop to cut a segment of the damaged rim (about 20cm in length) for our analysis? We will afford the shipping freight.

Please refer to the manual about how to true carbon spokes.

Thanks a lot. Look forward to hearing from you.
January 08, 2024, 07:27:34 AM 		12
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure
Quote from: Sebastian on January 08, 2024, 10:48:18 AM
Being an amateur wheel builder myself, I wonder how straight forward it is to properly tension carbon spokes. I understand that the elasticity is minimal compared to steel spokes. Therefore tension has to be a lot higher and the margin of error is much smaller when it comes to uniformity of the spoke tension throughout the wheel. I’d probably rather go to a dedicated wheelbuilder than your average local bike shop. Just saying. Good to see that they’re willing to stand up to their warranty though.

Despite not being a dedicated wheel builder there's a guy in my area that I trust. I'll also have him inspect the front wheel, note spoke tension, adjust as needed, etc. Perhaps this precipitated failure on the rear.

Waiting on Elitewheels for shipping ETA. This will be informative.
January 08, 2024, 12:41:49 PM 		3
Re: Elitewheels Drive 50D --> Rim Failure Update from Anthony at Elitewheels:
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Thank you so much for your reply and help.

We will send "one replacement rim + 24 spare nipples + one roll of rim tape" to you via express by tomorrow.

And the tracking number will be updated by this Friday. Please wait for our next emails.
January 09, 2024, 07:32:35 AM 		7
Re: Yishun R086-D Aero Road After 11 rides logging 650mi/1050km with 36 hours in the saddle...I can confidently and enthusiastically say THIS FRAME RIPS!

Rider Stats
Height: 175cm
Weight: 70kg
Inseam: 80cm
Saddle Height: 69cm

Bike Build
Frame: Yishun R086D 50cm (I normally ride a 54cm)
Cockpit: Yishun HB058 40cm Handlebars / ST062 130mm Stem (no spacers)
Components: SRAM Force AXS Hydraulic 48 x 10/28
Wheels: Elitewheels Drive 50D
Tires: Panaracer Agilest TLR 30mm with Muc-off sealant
Total Weight w/ Pedals: 7.7kg / 17lbs

Why the R086D?
As a road/crit/gravel racer, CdA is very important to me.  The vast majority of drag comes from our own body and let's be honest, modern road bikes have long since reached peak efficiency.  My parameters in order of importance: (1) geometry, (2) fit and finish, (3) looks, and (4) affordability/sustainability.

(1), (4), and mostly (3) are knowable prior to purchase. A quick note on (4), I race a lot of crits so spending top $$$$ on a brand name is a value proposition my psyche couldn't handle. As mentioned, modern layups have come a long way. We're in an era of diminishing returns.

When it comes to speed, an aero optimized position is the 2nd-most important facet and the R086's geometry is exactly what I was looking for. Many feel it's too aggressive and that may be true for the majority of riders but there are many that *do desire* to perform well on fast group rides or sportives. Marc Graveline, inventor/founder of one of worlds first aerometers cited an average 22 watt savings to an aero-optimized rider. The speed is there if you want it.

I logged rides of 4:28, 3:04, 6:06, 3:19, 8:24, and 4:09 hours over rough desert roads in New Mexico, USA and despite having back issues from a crash in October the R086D came through with flying colors in terms of comfort. I also did a 1:38 smashfest in a 3-man breakaway with most the time in the drops with no pain or discomfort (other than lactate).

Some footage to get a sense of geometry...

Hoods:



Drops:



I love its looks, the black matte finish is both fantastic and resilient. It's been suggested as an analog to the Canyon Aeroad but I think it also bears resemblance to a Pinarello. I was convinced someone else on this past Sunday's group ride had a Yishun and it was only after a meet-n-greet at a rest step did I determine it was actually a Pinarello (F or Dogma, not sure)...same matte finish (w/ black lettering), same speed-sniffer and flare at the top of the downtube.

Referring back to my parameters, we're left with - and let's face it, the elephant in the room when you're dealing with brands based in Xiamen (2) fit and finish. I'm happy to report the unit I received was flawless (wish I could say the same for the wheels). Caveats below notwithstanding, this bike was a pleasure to build. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised to find a friction-free headset cap without the need of a 0.25mm micro-shim that several had suggested in this thread.

Things to know:
1) Torque guess is as good as mine...
Don't bother looking for instructions in the box because there aren't any.  As other's have noted, only a few items have torque specs stamped on them but Dark17 was kind enough to reach out to Elitewheels to get some general guidelines. From there, it's a bit of trial and error. I initially set the seat post bolt to 9Nm only to have it slide but 11Nm did the trick. Similar issue with the handlebar clamp bolts.

And while I went ahead and stuck caps (A) into the rear/front derailleur and Di2 holes, I still have no idea what B and C were intended for.


2) Go Long!
The rear disc brake flat mount requires not 27mm...not 32mm...but 37mm bolts. I had to order a set and wait a few days.

3) Keep your head(set) straight
I had forgotten to apply carbon paste to the steerer tube so the headset/cable routing cap started skewing left.  While away from home for 2 weeks, I stuck in a rubber gasket for the time being and that did the trick until I could get home and apply the proper fix.  WARNING: Avoid the urge to over-torque if this happens to you. Apply paste, tighten the compression plug to around 6Nm, remove slack then tighten the clamp bolts to 6Nm and you should be fine.


4) Braze On, Braze Off
I made the silly mistake of assuming the braze on bolts were properly torqued from the factory and spent a good hour trying to figure out why my chain kept dropping.

Thank you to the many in this forum who bring awareness to the largely under-appreciated products that come out of the Red Dragon. Special shoutout to Patty who produces wonderful content and helps us all make informed decisions!

Edit 1/10/24 - Rehosted some images
January 10, 2024, 12:02:12 AM 		9