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Title: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on March 06, 2023, 09:13:32 PM
Hi All,

I’ve just come across what looks to be a new Airwolf gravel frame on Aliexpress.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mq8tUOE

Geometry (checked 54cm) appears identical to Aspero.
Tyre clearance noted as 700x40c
Cannot see this frame on the Airwolf website yet.

I’ve been looking for an Aspero type frame for a few months to do road + light gravel build with Ultegra 12s.

Just wondering if anyone has either ordered one or come across this frame elsewhere?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: KvotheTheRaven on March 09, 2023, 01:33:45 PM
I've come across this too, also on Ali. Seems pretty new though, so I don't know if any one has it. I'm debating on taking the plunge, but I'm not keen on paying for bar and stem--i'd like to use my own.

It matches the Aspero in size 51 as well.

The Airwolf YFR066 also looks interesting. Not sure which is prefer.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: KvotheTheRaven on March 10, 2023, 09:52:02 AM
Some back and forth with the manufacturer has told me a few things. The cable routing is fully internal, in the same way that the Aspero-5 is. That means that the steerer tube is D shaped, and for that reason, you can't order it without their stem, since it is made to fit the steerer. I'm sure you could use your own stem, however.

The fork also has flip-chips. It might be the case that they only have a single fork across all sizes, unlike the Aspero itself. I'm thinking this might be the case, because I asked for the fork offset, and was only given a single set of measurements (46mm and 51mm). Haven't confirmed it explicitly, though. You'd be good to go if you ride a size 54 and up.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 09, 2023, 08:51:16 PM
I ended up ordering one of these frames from Airwolf on Aliexpress and it arrived yesterday. Custom paint colour.

Includes handlebar, stem, headset, seatpost, thru axles and a bottom bracket.

Does have flip chip in front fork, also di2 bar end junction insert piece for downtube (for 11 speed di2) and fork is D type for internal routing.

One minor issue I have noticed is the front derailleur cable routing is set up for a traditional cable set up and I will need to drill out the cable hole to be larger to allow a Shimano Di2 cable to fit through.

Weights:
Frame weight (painted frame with seatpost clamp) 1149g
Uncut fork weight 446g
Seatpost incl saddle clamp 217g
Stem (carbon with aluminium faceplate) 145g
Handlebars 42cm 237g
Rear thru axle 41g
Front thru axle 33g
Headset bearings 39g
Fork compression plug 38g
C ring 10g
Cap on C ring/top fork bearing for routing 8g
Spacers 6g each (3x)
Fork top cap 13g
Rear derailleur hanger 15g
Bottom bracket 115g

Some photos attached. Looks pretty good to me.
Will be building up with Shimano Di2 12 speed. Have ultegra levers, brakes and 50/34 crankset, thinking of using 105 FD and RD along with 11-36 cassette.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Zdrenka89 on May 10, 2023, 03:14:38 AM
This looks bloody lovely.

Repectable weights, ROUND seatpost, External cables on the handlebars, so they are easy to change. No focus on bikepacking with way to many mounts and fairly road focused geometry.

Is the c-ring plastic or aluminium? Hard to spot on the pictures.

Also interested to see how the BBRight bottom bracket will pan out.

Great frame. Let us know how the build goes!

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 10, 2023, 03:43:38 AM
C ring is aluminium.
Spacers plastic.
Top cap aluminium.

I don’t think I’ll install the BB that came with it. It’s two pressed cups. I didn’t realise it came with a BB and have already bought a thread together BBRight bottom bracket as I was concerned about creaking.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Zdrenka89 on May 10, 2023, 03:58:59 AM
Nice. Thanks for info.

Which BB did you buy?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 10, 2023, 05:03:53 AM
This one from Aliexpress

threaded first BB7946 BBright Bottom Bracket Bike Bicycle Bottom Bracket 24mm*24mm for Cervelo
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMq8HVe
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wandulus on May 17, 2023, 09:52:34 AM
Please keep updated!
Quite interested in this frame. Will be this or VB CX-002, for a 80% CX / 20% Gravel bike.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on May 17, 2023, 10:22:18 AM
Would you be able to measure the tire clearance for me? I know airwolf says 40mm, but I’m hoping it’s more like an aspero at 45mm… Thanks!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 18, 2023, 03:59:08 AM
Would you be able to measure the tire clearance for me? I know airwolf says 40mm, but I’m hoping it’s more like an aspero at 45mm… Thanks!

Please see attached photos - measured roughly with tape measure. Looks to be around 45-48mm clearance between both the chainstays (IMG_7148) and seatstays (IMG_7146).

I am planning on mounting 38mm tyres so I will measure the inflated tyre width with calipers and remaining clearance to chainstays. I'm currently waiting on the wheelset to turn up - I have ordered a set of Ryet 38mm deep x 30mm wide gravel wheels with 36t rachet hub.

EDIT - see page 2. Clearance for 45mm tyres would be OK. Approx. 56mm total with 700c tyre and wheel mounted
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: lukwy on May 18, 2023, 04:49:17 AM
I am planning on mounting 38mm tyres so I will measure the inflated tyre width with calipers and remaining clearance to chainstays.

I'm looking forward ;)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on May 18, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
Thanks so much! Looking forward to seeing it!!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on May 19, 2023, 02:38:30 PM
So, I am also in this project right now. Wondering if they can match the original purple chameleon color (what color-code would it be?).

I also like the workswell aero gravel frame, but it will come 200€ more, so I think this one will be the one. Is Airwolf a well known seller? Any issues with them? Low end or mid-range?

Greetings from Germany
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 19, 2023, 08:39:34 PM
I was trying to get them to colour match the new Aspero Putty colour. They ended up trying but it was really pale and pink-ish in the photos they sent me. So I then asked for light grey and via WhatsApp they sent me photos of numerous frames they’ve done (MTBs, road etc) in grey colours until I picked one I was happy with.

Some of the chameleon colours look to be close to the Aspero colours. Just ask them for more photos, they seem quite responsive on Aliexpress.

In terms of quality, can’t definitively comment yet as haven’t started building it up. It looks to be well finished. Airwolf have been selling on Aliexpress for a number of years and ratings seem reasonable so that gave me confidence to purchase.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on May 23, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
So finally I bought a pink one... All my other bikes are black, so I wanted to try something new. I am very excited about it and will post some pictures when it's over here.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on May 23, 2023, 11:32:44 PM
I have now received my wheels.

2023 Ryet Gravel Carbon Wheelset with 36t rachet style hub. They weigh in at 1490g which is approx. 60g heavier than the quoted 1430+/-30g.
30mm wide hookless rim and 38mm deep.
They were well packaged and seem well finished. Came with tape installed and 2 spare spokes and 2 spare nipples.

Now just waiting on final parts to arrive so I can commence my build. Should have everything within the next 1-2 weeks.

Will be built with a mix of Shimano 12 speed Di2:
- Ultegra levers, brakes, 50/34 compact crankset
- 105 front and rear derailleurs

Already have 11-30t and 11-34t Ultegra cassettes which I'll use initially and grab a 105 11-36t when they are available.

Tyres wise I ended up purchasing Pirelli Cinturato Gravel H in 35mm width. I was a bit concerned about clearance and the potential for front derailleur to further decrease clearance. When these turn up I will mount to wheels and measure clearance.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 07, 2023, 06:15:56 AM
Tyre clearance measurements.

Pirelli Cinturato Gravel H 35mm mounted to 30mm wide (24mm internal) rims = measured width 36mm
Driveside clearance = ~12mm
Non-driveside clearance = ~10mm

So say roughly 20mm additional width available - 4mm minimum clearance each side (8mm total) = additional 12mm available
36mm + 12mm = approx. maximum 48mm clearance or conservatively 45mm.

This doesn’t account for any reduced clearance due to front derailleur. I haven’t mounted it yet but 105 di2 front derailleur doesn’t look like it will be a problem.

I will upload some photos when I have a chance.

Looks like my earlier tape measurements were taken too close to the seat tube and I should have bought larger tyres!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 07, 2023, 05:20:38 PM
Photos of tyre clearance with 35mm Pirelli Cinturato Hard

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on June 08, 2023, 01:43:37 AM
Thanks for posting all the updates! This was exactly what I was looking for. Going to put in an order asap. How long did it take to get to your door from ordering?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 08, 2023, 03:53:23 AM
Approx. 5 weeks from order.

Took around 2.5 weeks until colour dialogue started (and prompt agreement was reached) and then around 2.5 weeks postage from China to Australia.

I’m planning to build the bike up this weekend so will post some photos and any issues I come across.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 12, 2023, 04:35:57 AM
So I started the build over the weekend. Comments and issues as follows.

If running internal di2 cables, recommend an internal cable routing kit. I have ZTTO version from Aliexpress.
Disc brake cables were able to be routed without internal cable routing kit so if using wireless SRAM should be OK without internal routing kit.

I had to drill out aluminium cable boss for front derailleur (IMG_7361,7363,7365). As mentioned previously, it was set up for a traditional cable with internal cable housing. I'm running di2 so needed a larger diameter hole. I used a 5mm metal drill bit and hole will be plugged with di2 grommet. Then I found out the front di2 cable I ordered is too short so need to order another to fit front derailluer  >:(

When mounting the rear disc brake, the bolt holes were not entirely neat (slightly oval shaped) so had to use a 5mm wood drill bit to gently clear out a bit of carbon to get caliper bolt through the frame. (IMG_7366)

Biggest issue so far was the supplied d-shaped compression plug. The supplied plug does not have a threaded insert to accept a bolt to screw the stem top cap down. There was also no screw for the top cap supplied. I have contacted Airwolf and they have said there is a problem and will send me a new one. (IMG_7367,7368) Not an issue, see post below.

So my build is part completed pending a new compression plug from Airwolf and a longer front di2 cable.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 12, 2023, 11:04:31 PM

Biggest issue so far was the supplied d-shaped compression plug. The supplied plug does not have a threaded insert to accept a bolt to screw the stem top cap down. There was also no screw for the top cap supplied. I have contacted Airwolf and they have said there is a problem and will send me a new one. (IMG_7367,7368)


So I managed to resolve this today! Turns out the top cap screw was very tightly screwed into the compression nut and it looked like they were one piece. I mounted the larger screw into a bench vice and with a bit of effort unscrewed the smaller top cap screw.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: tanksofnew on June 13, 2023, 11:58:49 PM
Tyre clearance measurements.

Pirelli Cinturato Gravel H 35mm mounted to 30mm wide (24mm internal) rims = measured width 36mm
Driveside clearance = ~12mm
Non-driveside clearance = ~10mm

So say roughly 20mm additional width available - 4mm minimum clearance each side (8mm total) = additional 12mm available
36mm + 12mm = approx. maximum 48mm clearance or conservatively 45mm.

This doesn’t account for any reduced clearance due to front derailleur. I haven’t mounted it yet but 105 di2 front derailleur doesn’t look like it will be a problem.

I will upload some photos when I have a chance.

Looks like my earlier tape measurements were taken too close to the seat tube and I should have bought larger tyres!


Looking to buy one of these frames and use 40mm tires with a di2 setup like yours, what is the tire clearance like with an di2 front mech? Is it limited at all by the front mech? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 20, 2023, 04:42:03 AM
Looking to buy one of these frames and use 40mm tires with a di2 setup like yours, what is the tire clearance like with an di2 front mech? Is it limited at all by the front mech? Thanks in advance

Sorry for the delay in responding. I've been waiting for the longer di2 cable to turn up, which finally arrived today.

Clearance with a 105 FD-R7150 di2 front derailleur is still around 9-10mm between 35mm tyre and derailleur body. I tried measuring with calipers but doesn't really work. See photos attached.
Worth mentioning the 105 R7150 FD is different to the 12 speed Ultegra R8150 and Dura Ace R9250 FDs so if using them the clearance might be different. The R7150 FD is very similar to the older Ultegra R8050 di2 11 speed FD.

As an aside, if anyone else does a 12 speed di2 build, 1200mm for rear derailleur and 700mm for front derailleur work for a 54cm frame.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Serge_K on June 20, 2023, 06:07:18 AM
Hard to tell apart from the VB GF002. I've built and ridden 2 of these, flawless.
Happy riding
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 24, 2023, 01:32:21 AM
Very close to complete now ;D

Weighs in at 7.79kg without chain, pedals and bottle cages so will be in low-mid 8kg range with these.

No issues to report other than what I have already posted.

50/34 crankset fits and would be the maximum size based on clearances.

A couple of build tips
- remember to use foam brake cable housing so brake lines don't make noise in the frame
- use carbon assembly paste as seatpost will likely slip otherwise
- torque wrench essential
- download the Aspero 5 assembly manual and follow torque amounts and details in there  ;)
- Out front garmin mount - Style 1 > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002820591761.html

If anyone has any questions, happy to answer them.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Cnasta on June 24, 2023, 02:16:49 PM
Very close to complete now ;D

Weighs in at 7.79kg without chain, pedals and bottle cages so will be in low-mid 8kg range with these.

No issues to report other than what I have already posted.

50/34 crankset fits and would be the maximum size based on clearances.

A couple of build tips
- remember to use foam brake cable housing so brake lines don't make noise in the frame
- use carbon assembly paste as seatpost will likely slip otherwise
- torque wrench essential
- download the Aspero 5 assembly manual and follow torque amounts and details in there  ;)
- Out front garmin mount - Style 1 > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002820591761.html

If anyone has any questions, happy to answer them.

Really good looking (apart form the sadle, but thats personal I guess) :) If fork would have mounting option, it looks perfect!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 25, 2023, 09:52:13 PM
Build complete! 8.59kg as pictured.

In regards to saddle, a SMP Dynamic was the only spare saddle I have at the moment and I have the carbon railed version on another bike. Angle looks a bit off in photos so need to adjust it, but they work well for me.

Changes still to be made
- PD-M520 SPD pedals (currently have PD-EH500 installed)
- 11-36t 12 speed rear cassette (currently have 11-30t installed)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wandulus on June 26, 2023, 01:33:32 AM
Really nice looking bike (besides the saddle, but that's 100% personal).
Thinking of this frame or a VB CX-002 for double duty as CX/Gravel bike.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: daforce84 on June 26, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
Build complete! 8.59kg as pictured.

In regards to saddle, a SMP Dynamic was the only spare saddle I have at the moment and I have the carbon railed version on another bike. Angle looks a bit off in photos so need to adjust it, but they work well for me.

Changes still to be made
- PD-M520 SPD pedals (currently have PD-EH500 installed)
- 11-36t 12 speed rear cassette (currently have 11-30t installed)

Thank you for sharing your build! Have you been able to get any rides on it yet? How does it ride?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: MGee on June 26, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
Looks great!
How do the handlebars measure up at the hoods and the drops for the 42cm one you've got?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on June 26, 2023, 11:01:10 PM
Looks great!
How do the handlebars measure up at the hoods and the drops for the 42cm one you've got?

Just to confirm - are you after the handlebar drop and a reach measurement including the R8170 levers?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gofasterstripes on June 27, 2023, 04:43:40 AM
So I managed to resolve this today! Turns out the top cap screw was very tightly screwed into the compression nut and it looked like they were one piece. I mounted the larger screw into a bench vice and with a bit of effort unscrewed the smaller top cap screw.

the bike looks very cool, thanks for posting so much detail. I'm looking forward to hearing your riding feedback

Is the compression plug just a modified standard plug cut to fit the fork steerer. It looks a bit rough with some very sharp edges which would concern me .

https://shop.cervelo.com/collections/parts/products/c-steerer-fork-insert-kit-hs-preload-compression-plug.






Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: MGee on June 29, 2023, 01:06:49 AM
Just to confirm - are you after the handlebar drop and a reach measurement including the R8170 levers?

An idea on reach and drop would be great, but even just the width - how true 42cm is and how much the bar flares?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on July 01, 2023, 12:53:13 AM
An idea on reach and drop would be great, but even just the width - how true 42cm is and how much the bar flares?

42cm bars are 42cm centre to centre.
Drops are also 42cm centre to centre so no flare on the bars I received.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on July 01, 2023, 12:58:04 AM
the bike looks very cool, thanks for posting so much detail. I'm looking forward to hearing your riding feedback

Is the compression plug just a modified standard plug cut to fit the fork steerer. It looks a bit rough with some very sharp edges which would concern me .

https://shop.cervelo.com/collections/parts/products/c-steerer-fork-insert-kit-hs-preload-compression-plug.

It kind of looks like a modified standard plug on the top that has been cut to fit a D fork tube but the bottom part doesn’t look so bad. It torqued up fine and seems to fit well. See photos attached for more detail at various angles.

I did look a buying the Cervelo one when I was having an issue per my earlier post (which I resolved) but couldn’t find one online in Australia and to import one from the US was going to be like $150AUD.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Zdrenka89 on July 05, 2023, 05:26:56 AM
Thanks for all the pictures l45er! A great looking bike. Lovely result.

Do you have any tire clearance pictures of the front fork?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: matvansteen on July 08, 2023, 12:05:33 PM
Hi, everyone. I am planning on buying the same frameset but I was wondering what would be the best, or safest way to go about it, as I am not familiar with PayPal and uncertain using it.
I"ve been in contact with Werner Wei at wernerwei@yaoflying.com, e-mailing about size and colour. I've seen that you can also order the frame on Airwolf's website and on Aliexpress, though unfortunately not in the color I want and at a 100 euro price difference.
Have any of you had any contact with Werner and ordered through him? Or have any you ordered using the Airwolf website? In order words, are they legit? Or should I just order through Aliexpress, choose a different color and stomach the price difference?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on July 08, 2023, 10:49:49 PM
Thanks for all the pictures l45er! A great looking bike. Lovely result.

Do you have any tire clearance pictures of the front fork?

Approx. 56mm between front fork where 700c tyre passes through. So should easily fit a 45mm tyre. See photo attached.

Hi, everyone. I am planning on buying the same frameset but I was wondering what would be the best, or safest way to go about it, as I am not familiar with PayPal and uncertain using it.
I"ve been in contact with Werner Wei at wernerwei@yaoflying.com, e-mailing about size and colour. I've seen that you can also order the frame on Airwolf's website and on Aliexpress, though unfortunately not in the color I want and at a 100 euro price difference.
Have any of you had any contact with Werner and ordered through him? Or have any you ordered using the Airwolf website? In order words, are they legit? Or should I just order through Aliexpress, choose a different color and stomach the price difference?

Personally I would be reluctant to deal directly with a random contact(?) due to the possibility of not getting what I paid for (or anything at all). At least via AliExpress there is some buyer protection if things go wrong. But ultimately up to you as to how much risk you're willing to accept vs price.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: matvansteen on July 12, 2023, 08:02:05 AM
Personally I would be reluctant to deal directly with a random contact(?) due to the possibility of not getting what I paid for (or anything at all). At least via AliExpress there is some buyer protection if things go wrong. But ultimately up to you as to how much risk you're willing to accept vs price.

Thank you for your reply. Of course you're right. In the end I didn't feel comfortable ordering via email or the website, so I ordered on Aliexpress just now. I hope everything goes smoothly. Can't wait for it to be delivered!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: viktorN on July 23, 2023, 09:28:25 AM
Would be great if you could post some shots of the internals as well to get a picture of the level of wrinkling inside. BB and down tube as well as head tube would be nice to see  :)

I’ve ordered numerous frames from china and so far Yoeleo has been the best in terms of finish, Light Carbon too has been very smooth as well as the Dengfu. Twitter bikes was a great mess with loads of residue and wrinkling all over the place but surprisingly turned out to be a rather fun ride albeit making me feel a bit cautious and not pushing it to hard.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on July 24, 2023, 10:12:09 PM
Would be great if you could post some shots of the internals as well to get a picture of the level of wrinkling inside. BB and down tube as well as head tube would be nice to see  :)

Sorry but as the bike is fully built I won't be able to help with that.

I did post a photo down the seat tube on this post http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg45930.html#msg45930 (http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg45930.html#msg45930). It was very clean.

Other than that, I can only comment that I didn't notice any anomalies when building the bike up. The BB went together fine, same with fork and headtube.

Someone else may be able to provide photos when they receive a frame.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Brady on July 26, 2023, 09:40:29 AM
What size of rear brake rotor are you on this bike? I ordered 160mm to go with Shimano grx brakes, but it doesn’t fit. I’m wondering if I need an adapter for the calliper or if I need to go down to a 140mm?

If an adapter is needed any suggestions where to find it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on July 29, 2023, 07:53:29 PM
What size of rear brake rotor are you on this bike? I ordered 160mm to go with Shimano grx brakes, but it doesn’t fit. I’m wondering if I need an adapter for the calliper or if I need to go down to a 140mm?

If an adapter is needed any suggestions where to find it?

Thanks

I used 140mm rear rotor. Fitted without an adapter. I have 160mm front, 140mm rear.

I'm guessing you would need Shimano SM-MA-R160-DD 160mm Flat Mount Rear Disc Brake Adaptor.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: daforce84 on July 29, 2023, 11:01:07 PM
Sorry but as the bike is fully built I won't be able to help with that.

I did post a photo down the seat tube on this post http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg45930.html#msg45930 (http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg45930.html#msg45930). It was very clean.

Other than that, I can only comment that I didn't notice any anomalies when building the bike up. The BB went together fine, same with fork and headtube.

Someone else may be able to provide photos when they receive a frame.

Have you gotten any rides in yet? How does it handle? is the ride stiff or comfortable? how are the handlebars (comfy or stiff?)

Also, does the downtube have the holes to attach a downtube protector?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Brady on July 30, 2023, 01:58:33 AM
I used 140mm rear rotor. Fitted without an adapter. I have 160mm front, 140mm rear.

I'm guessing you would need Shimano SM-MA-R160-DD 160mm Flat Mount Rear Disc Brake Adaptor.

Thanks that’s exactly the part I needed and works  160mm rotors
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: viktorN on July 30, 2023, 04:08:05 PM
Very eager as well to get hold of your first riding impressions =)
Particularly curious how it handles, if it feels responsive vs relaxed, sharp steering or understeering etc.

cheers
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 08, 2023, 01:07:01 PM
Hi folks,

my frame arrived some weeks ago - assembling was a little bit tricky, for example the bottom bracket-area was very very tight, so I really had to cool the bearing down, but finally it went in. The biggest problem is the front end - I don't know if this is because of the painting or the frame hasn't the right measurements: First the Headset-Cover above the steering tube was to tight, so there needed to be d-shape microspacer, which Airwolf sent me really fast.

But the same problem occurs on the other side below the steering tube - when tightening the headset you can't steer. Unfortunally I got I nice scratch on top of the fork, but that's ok. The bigger problem is a) there a no bigger bearings in this size available here in Germany (49,5mm outerside, 38,5mm inner and 6mm height) and microspacer aren't available in 1 1/2" --> because of the shape of the bearing/fork/steering tube I can't imagine how a microspacer at this point should work. So for now I am waiting 2 weeks for a solution from Airwolf - at the moment I am really disappointed and think everything is trash.

Problems in the beginning of the project: I ordered the stock pink frame - Airwolf sent two times painted pictures of a reddish one - finally they got it and the color is amazing. When everything arrived I recognized that the seatpost was matte and the stem/handlebar were glossy - nowhere is mentioned that this is the way it is send when you order a glossy frame. After all I bought a new stem in matte and a handlebar from another brand with more flare.

So, this is my 4th chinese frame and till now it's the badest - from the beginning just problems, if the huge one with the down bearing of the headset cannot be solved I think I need a new frame, it's really a shame.

Anyone has an idea of solving this? As written a microspacer would be great, but I don't think it can work at this place because of the shape of the bearing.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: KvotheTheRaven on August 08, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
You could try this, 49mm outer, 38mm inner with 7mm height. Not sure how well it would work.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001264752442.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.5e934092dpOI8R&algo_pvid=111b5a0f-9aa8-4ef3-a651-eb54553c72b3&algo_exp_id=111b5a0f-9aa8-4ef3-a651-eb54553c72b3-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%218.43%214.21%21%21%216.15%21%21%402103231116915312587432033eae4b%2110000015516787244%21sea%21CA%214261068451%21&curPageLogUid=dAvieiShXMZm (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001264752442.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.5e934092dpOI8R&algo_pvid=111b5a0f-9aa8-4ef3-a651-eb54553c72b3&algo_exp_id=111b5a0f-9aa8-4ef3-a651-eb54553c72b3-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%218.43%214.21%21%21%216.15%21%21%402103231116915312587432033eae4b%2110000015516787244%21sea%21CA%214261068451%21&curPageLogUid=dAvieiShXMZm)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: daforce84 on August 09, 2023, 12:36:54 AM
Hi folks,

my frame arrived some weeks ago - assembling was a little bit tricky, for example the bottom bracket-area was very very tight, so I really had to cool the bearing down, but finally it went in. The biggest problem is the front end - I don't know if this is because of the painting or the frame hasn't the right measurements: First the Headset-Cover above the steering tube was to tight, so there needed to be d-shape microspacer, which Airwolf sent me really fast.

But the same problem occurs on the other side below the steering tube - when tightening the headset you can't steer. Unfortunally I got I nice scratch on top of the fork, but that's ok. The bigger problem is a) there a no bigger bearings in this size available here in Germany (49,5mm outerside, 38,5mm inner and 6mm height) and microspacer aren't available in 1 1/2" --> because of the shape of the bearing/fork/steering tube I can't imagine how a microspacer at this point should work. So for now I am waiting 2 weeks for a solution from Airwolf - at the moment I am really disappointed and think everything is trash.

Problems in the beginning of the project: I ordered the stock pink frame - Airwolf sent two times painted pictures of a reddish one - finally they got it and the color is amazing. When everything arrived I recognized that the seatpost was matte and the stem/handlebar were glossy - nowhere is mentioned that this is the way it is send when you order a glossy frame. After all I bought a new stem in matte and a handlebar from another brand with more flare.

So, this is my 4th chinese frame and till now it's the badest - from the beginning just problems, if the huge one with the down bearing of the headset cannot be solved I think I need a new frame, it's really a shame.

Anyone has an idea of solving this? As written a microspacer would be great, but I don't think it can work at this place because of the shape of the bearing.

Do you have any photos of the headset parts that it came with, and how you currently have it setup as? do they align with what's shown in this figure? I'm also curious about the paint, any photos would be appreciated!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 09, 2023, 04:35:40 AM
I will send more tonight - but both bearings are the same size (not as shown). I tried a 49,5 / 40,5 / 7mm, but the 40,5 is too big.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 09, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
So, here I am again - thanks for your thoughts.
It's really hard for me to discribe my problems in english, but I think you can see what I meant.
The upper and lower bearings are the same size - I think it is 49,5mm x 38,5mm x 6mm. So I ordered the only one that I could find with such a measurement about 49,5mm x 40mm x 7mm. The height might work, but because of the bigger innerring the bearing slips deeper on the fork, so that I have not one anything with this try. 49mm bearings are more common, but would it slip in the steerer tube?

Airwolf wrote today, that their mechanics think a microspace would work and they would send it to me soon. But again, I can't imagine where to place this because of the angles on the bearing and fork/frame. On the upper bearing placing a microspacer is no problem between Cap and ring...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on August 09, 2023, 11:21:30 PM
Mine is a bit tight between fork and bottom of head tube but I can still steer and turn handlebars with the top cap tightened and no play in the headset. It seems in my case to be paint rub on the top part of the fork.
I lightly greased the top fork painted surface where it interfaces with the head tube and that loosened it up a bit. On mine it is slightly stiff but not impacting on my ability to ride or steer the bike.

In terms of riding and how the bike performs, I haven’t had a chance to ride mine a lot but it seems to ride well. Seatpost was slipping on initial ride as it’s a glossy black finish so added some carbon paste to fix that. It’s a bit more relaxed than a road bike but still rides well on the road with the tyres I have on it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on August 10, 2023, 05:40:44 AM
Hi Tim,

it´s a shame, your build looks fantastic!

I don´t understand why you have this problem but others don´t. Should be a problem within the fork and/or frame.

I hope mine will be here the next two weeks, will let you know how mine went.

Greetings from Freiburg
Jim
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on August 10, 2023, 05:47:13 AM
So, here I am again - thanks for your thoughts.
It's really hard for me to discribe my problems in english, but I think you can see what I meant.
The upper and lower bearings are the same size - I think it is 49,5mm x 38,5mm x 6mm. So I ordered the only one that I could find with such a measurement about 49,5mm x 40mm x 7mm. The height might work, but because of the bigger innerring the bearing slips deeper on the fork, so that I have not one anything with this try. 49mm bearings are more common, but would it slip in the steerer tube?

What are the exact specs of the bearings you have now? The dimensions and the angles should be printed on the outside of the bearing...

I see there are 37 - 49 - 7mm bearings on aliexpress. But maybe they would sit too high on the fork...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jonathanf2 on August 10, 2023, 04:43:01 PM
That fork looks like it needs a crown race. They should be dirt cheap and allow smooth rotation of the fork if your setup needs it. Some of my frames use this, my TFSA frame/fork has the bearing sit directly on top without it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on August 11, 2023, 12:32:47 AM
That fork looks like it needs a crown race. They should be dirt cheap and allow smooth rotation of the fork if your setup needs it. Some of my frames use this, my TFSA frame/fork has the bearing sit directly on top without it.

Judging from the pictures I don't think it does...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: daforce84 on August 11, 2023, 01:07:10 AM
It looks like the fork lacks an integrated like this: https://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2020/02/cervelo-aspero-fork.html

the photo above appears to show the fork just having a straight tube.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on August 11, 2023, 02:38:01 AM
That pictures to me shows there is an integrated race. You can see that the bearing sits higher and not flat on top of the fork.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: daforce84 on August 11, 2023, 02:56:52 AM
Hmm good observation. The paint is throwing me off.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 11, 2023, 08:54:29 AM
Hi guys,

I am really thankful for all of your help and ideas - but in the end it's simple: The fork has an integrated crown, that's one point for not believing in a microspacer to lift the bearing. On the other side there is the frame/steerer tube, so there are angles, too.

The best (?) solution would be the exact same bearing with 1 - 1,5mm more depth, but unfortunally this size is a special one, I even can't find the original one over here in Germany.
 
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on August 11, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
Hi guys,

I am really thankful for all of your help and ideas - but in the end it's simple: The fork has an integrated crown, that's one point for not believing in a microspacer to lift the bearing. On the other side there is the frame/steerer tube, so there are angles, too.

The best (?) solution would be the exact same bearing with 1 - 1,5mm more depth, but unfortunally this size is a special one, I even can't find the original one over here in Germany.

Earlier you said it was 38.5mm inside. But it is 39.5mm??
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on August 11, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
Can you measure the inside of the frame where the bearing go in. I found a 39.7mm x 50.8mm x 7mm bearing...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 14, 2023, 10:19:35 AM
It‘s 49.5…
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on August 14, 2023, 10:32:59 AM
If their idea is a spacer above the bearing I don‘t know how it should work. The ring has to be on the outer part of the bearing - if it is placed like this plastik ring here it doesn‘t have an effect because the spacer doesn‘t touch the frame.

Beneath the bearing it‘s the same the other way round…The spacer will lift the bearing to much and will bend or break.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: fanfarlo on August 16, 2023, 03:32:46 PM
Hi all, my frame arrived today. The paintjob looks brilliant and in general I'm pretty pleased with it.

Was a bit concerned about the headset, so I immediately assembled it. I also have a slight rub of the top cover / frame. Probably will file that cover down. I do not seem to have any issues with the bottom bearing, altough the gap is pretty small. One thing I noticed is that the area is unpainted. Maybe this is making the difference?

Another observation was that I can only insert the seatpost until the area of the seatstays. Will need to cut it. Was ist the same on your frames? Attached some pictures
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: coffeebreak on August 17, 2023, 11:17:57 AM
Another observation was that I can only insert the seatpost until the area of the seatstays. Will need to cut it. Was ist the same on your frames? Attached some pictures

Not Airwolf but on my VB GF002 too, the seatpost is/was humongous. Even after pushing it all the way down it was too tall for me and had to cut some portion off.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: viktorN on August 20, 2023, 04:11:42 AM
Hi all, my frame arrived today. The paintjob looks brilliant and in general I'm pretty pleased with it.

Was a bit concerned about the headset, so I immediately assembled it. I also have a slight rub of the top cover / frame. Probably will file that cover down. I do not seem to have any issues with the bottom bearing, altough the gap is pretty small. One thing I noticed is that the area is unpainted. Maybe this is making the difference?

Another observation was that I can only insert the seatpost until the area of the seatstays. Will need to cut it. Was ist the same on your frames? Attached some pictures

Would you be able to take some photos of the internal finishing of the frame? Through the BB with some light to expose wrinkles etc, head tube from above/ below with a light, down the seat tube etc? Would be so helpful

Cheers
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on August 20, 2023, 10:19:14 PM
Mine has the same problem with the fork scraping on the frame b/c the bearing is too short or some other fit issue. I ordered this bearing to see if it works and will contact Airwolf too.

https://www.incycle.com/products/specialized-my19-venge-headset-bearing-40-5mm-idx49-5mm-odx6-5mm-w

40.5MM ID x49.5MM OD x6.5MM W

timjen - did the Airwolf part get to you yet?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: fanfarlo on August 24, 2023, 04:08:16 PM
Some pictures from head tube and bottom bracket area.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on August 28, 2023, 02:23:29 AM
My frame arrived and I’ve built it up yesterday.

- Same problem with the frame/fork. Supplier sends me a spacer, probably the same one you guys get
- Seatpost only slips in until seatstays, so need to cut it
- I don’t have paint on the crown of the fork, so see raw carbon when turning the handlebar, would like it to be painted

Hope the spacer arrives soon and it works
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on August 28, 2023, 02:24:35 AM
@Tim did you see this: https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/rahmen-schleift-an-gabel-cube-litening.176961/?amp=1 This might work aswell?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mtm on August 30, 2023, 10:05:27 AM
I would also think that something alike to that conical shim could work. Someone with basic CAD skills and a 3D printer could likely also make something similar without too many issues.

I'm also looking into this frame (looking for gravel bike that's a bit towards aero/road bike, with clearance for at last 40mm tyres and a reach of ~360-370mm). Can anyone post a picture or two where it's possible to see the shape of the downtube? It's super hard to make the shape out on the all the pictures I have found.

Thanks in advance for any help on that.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 03, 2023, 12:24:55 AM
The bearing I ordered - see link above - worked fine. Fork no longer scrapes on bottom.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Frenchcyclistnoob on September 03, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
Good ! For the new bearing that is a good news, I hope you get through your build
I am looking at  this thread since day 1
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 05, 2023, 11:52:38 AM
Built - looks AMAZING - test ride was good as well. Light and fast. Will send pics after longer ride.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Indoc on September 05, 2023, 02:05:59 PM
Hi, also purchased this frame raw carbon. Waiting for the good bearing top finish and let's go !
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on September 06, 2023, 03:34:15 AM
I'm also looking into this frame (looking for gravel bike that's a bit towards aero/road bike, with clearance for at last 40mm tyres and a reach of ~360-370mm). Can anyone post a picture or two where it's possible to see the shape of the downtube? It's super hard to make the shape out on the all the pictures I have found.

It is hard to get a good photo of downtube shape.
I will try and explain the shape in words. It’s relatively flat on 3 sides (top where bottles mount and sides) and underneath is rounded. The corner transitions are rounded. So kind of like a square with rounded corners on three sides and then a round face underneath.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on September 07, 2023, 02:36:41 AM
The bearing I ordered - see link above - worked fine. Fork no longer scrapes on bottom.
Ordered the same bearing, it opens the gap a little but not enough for me unfortunately.

Spacer arrived today so will test tonight, hope this will solve the problem.

If someone lives in Germany and want to try out the bearing, let me know, I will send it to you.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 07, 2023, 02:51:51 AM
Ordered the same bearing, it opens the gap a little but not enough for me unfortunately.

Spacer arrived today so will test tonight, hope this will solve the problem.

If someone lives in Germany and want to try out the bearing, let me know, I will send it to you.

What kind of spacer did they send you?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gmh on September 07, 2023, 07:09:42 AM
For those in the US, how long was the shipping for this frame?  Their website says 7-10 days, but that seems really fast.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 07, 2023, 10:39:36 AM
Jim.de - too bad - can you add a image of the spacer?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Indoc on September 07, 2023, 11:44:46 AM
I tried with a 49x37x7 and it works. But I broke the Seat clamp
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on September 07, 2023, 02:20:46 PM
This is the spacer they sent me. Unfortunately I have a massive gap now and even then I doesn’t move freely. Don’t know why and I am getting kind frustrated.

Have a 49x37x7 on order since I first build it up but could take some more days/weeks to arrive.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on September 08, 2023, 12:49:07 AM
There must be a few more completed builds getting around now? Look forward to seeing how they look!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Indoc on September 08, 2023, 02:54:15 AM
The spacer don't work because it's too wide and compress the two rings of the bearing.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gmh on September 11, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
This site looks like a good source for headset-specific bearings:

https://www.airevelobearings.com/product-category/headset-bearing-kits/
 (https://www.airevelobearings.com/product-category/headset-bearing-kits/)
You could even try the Aspero 5 specific kit since that's what the YFR 068 is a clone of.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on September 12, 2023, 12:46:53 AM
The kit will not fit. Upper bearing is too small und lower too big. It’s a copy but not in all details.

Texted with the seller, sent them a video. Unfortunately they still try to figure out what the problem is and asked me to take a video of the upper bearings and fork, even though it’s obvious what the problem is and has been.

The 49*37*7 bearing arrived and it works for now. Gap could be a bit smaller. Does anyone know if it is a problem to have a bearing with an outer of 49 instead of 49,5? The fit is obvious loose.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Indoc on September 13, 2023, 03:57:21 AM
For me it's not a problem to have a 49 or 49.5. The bearing fit and there's no gap so, for me, it's the best and more durable solution. Better than a spacer.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gmh on September 15, 2023, 05:47:20 AM
I'm looking at sourcing the fork from this frame for a separate build since it uses the flip-chip system. 

Can someone measure the axle to crown length for me?  I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 15, 2023, 08:11:59 AM
Jim.de - too bad on that spacer I get the idea of how it would work. I think the 7 is the way to go as my 6.5 worked.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: kubackje on September 19, 2023, 08:46:37 AM
I have now received my wheels.

2023 Ryet Gravel Carbon Wheelset with 36t rachet style hub. They weigh in at 1490g which is approx. 60g heavier than the quoted 1430+/-30g.
30mm wide hookless rim and 38mm deep.
They were well packaged and seem well finished. Came with tape installed and 2 spare spokes and 2 spare nipples.

Hey bro, can u give any updates on those wheels. I am considering getting them for my gravel bike
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 06:48:40 AM
Hey guys - the 6.5 did not work - scraping between the fork and the frame after first ride. Airwolf has not got back to me so I think I need the 7mm bearing or a race to fit on the fork like this:

https://www.performancebike.com/fsa-orbitx-aluminum-crown-race-11-8-160-5471/p471426

1. Anyone have a link for a 40.5MM ID x 49.5MM OD x 7 MM bearing??

2. Anyone know how to size the race / spacer for the fork so I could use the supplied bearings?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 20, 2023, 06:59:33 AM
A race will probably not work because you can't fit it because your fork has a built-in race... Or am I missing something?

If you would want to use a spacer, it would have to be an angled one that fits the angle of the built-in race. Not something you are going to find off the shelf...

Your best bet is the higher bearing but that size seems not to exist...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 20, 2023, 07:03:46 AM
Maybe if you are really getting desperate and there is no other way out... you could try carefully to increase the diameter of the built-in race by building up layers of paint or epoxy in that location...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 07:06:35 AM
Hey Tiny - I think the spacer would have the same angles as the built in race so that it works with the bearing - that is the theory but how to find that special spacer...

Trying to build up the fork I think it would fail over the long run...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 20, 2023, 07:13:36 AM
Hey Tiny - I think the spacer would have the same angles as the built in race so that it works with the bearing - that is the theory but how to find that special spacer...

Trying to build up the fork I think it would fail over the long run...

Yes, If I am not mistaking, someone shared a link to an example of the kind of spacer you would need, but it was the seller of the frame that provided that spacer. You would indeed need a spacer at an angle.

And building up the fork is not the best solutions, but maybe if you use carbon epoxy it could work... It's what the fork is made off after all... Maybe with a very thin and small strip of carbon cloth. But this would be the solution you could try instead of scrapping the frame  ???

It's a shame that after all this time you are still struggling with this frame...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 07:29:27 AM
The spacer I need should be liek this I think

(https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/attachments/dd473302-3f75-4608-94d2-8c5dab0e6dd1-jpeg.1061735/)

From this thread by Jim DE

https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/rahmen-schleift-an-gabel-cube-litening.176961/?amp=1

Anyone know what that is called oe where to get such a spacer
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
I posted these today for Airwolf - no response...

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 06:02:32 PM
IMG
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 20, 2023, 06:03:25 PM
VIDEO
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on September 21, 2023, 02:45:37 AM
The closest we got was the 49x37x7 bearing. It sits loose but it gives you enough space.

A separate crown race won’t work. I got mine from the seller, it didn’t work. It will either fail completely or it will lift it way to much.

Mine works now with the new bearing, wanted to go for a testride and just realized that the compression ring for the upper headset was also wrong and I have play. So still not driving and still waiting..
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 21, 2023, 06:17:38 AM
This guy made a spacer for in the frame. Maybe we could get one designed and then 3D print in metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqccum0bcw
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqccum0bcw)
I think Airwolf needs to send me a new fork.

Not sure how to get YouTube link to show "Fix a Road Bike Fork that Rubs on the Head Tube" is the name of the video on YouTube.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 21, 2023, 06:23:53 AM
This guy made a spacer for in the frame. Maybe we could get one designed and then 3D print in metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqccum0bcw

I think Airwolf needs to send me a new fork.

Maybe you could make something out of the bottom of a beverage can? I just measured some here and the dimensions seems to be somewhat in the ball park...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 21, 2023, 06:28:16 AM
I'd rather have a designed solution
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 21, 2023, 06:30:31 AM
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Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 21, 2023, 06:31:19 AM
I'd rather have a designed solution

I get that. What has been the response of Airwolf been until now?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 21, 2023, 06:52:55 AM
Nothing from Airwolf

Maybe this?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xewsqmlo-5pcs-TOOPRE-Bike-Headset-Base-Spacer-45-Degree-Headset-Washer-Ring-C-Bottom-File/3634610975?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101263151 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xewsqmlo-5pcs-TOOPRE-Bike-Headset-Base-Spacer-45-Degree-Headset-Washer-Ring-C-Bottom-File/3634610975?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101263151)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 21, 2023, 07:02:17 AM
Nothing from Airwolf

Maybe this?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xewsqmlo-5pcs-TOOPRE-Bike-Headset-Base-Spacer-45-Degree-Headset-Washer-Ring-C-Bottom-File/3634610975?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101263151 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xewsqmlo-5pcs-TOOPRE-Bike-Headset-Base-Spacer-45-Degree-Headset-Washer-Ring-C-Bottom-File/3634610975?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101263151)

I think that is just a standard one with a flat base and a 90° angle
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on September 22, 2023, 09:59:52 AM
Any washer/spacer that has a cut won’t work, it will get pushed downwards and therefore pushes on the bearing from the inside.

Was the same with the spacer I received.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 22, 2023, 02:08:18 PM
Airwolf has not responded VERY frustrating - we need new forks I think.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 22, 2023, 02:09:40 PM
This is the email I have for Airwolf - anyone have a different email?

wernerwei@yaoflying.com
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 22, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
LOL on https://airwolfcarbonbike.com/

"Welcome to our store.If have any problem,please contact Werner Wei"
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 22, 2023, 02:13:54 PM
https://airwolfcarbonbike.com/contact/ I guess phone next? Then credit card dispute if no help??
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 25, 2023, 06:37:41 AM
They got back to me:

"Hello Dear,this is not the problem of the fork,it is that the cap from the fork and frame is so narraw,i will send you one spacer.which can work for this condition"


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 25, 2023, 06:40:32 AM
I responded:

Ok remember the spacer but be for the fork type see:

(https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/attachments/dd473302-3f75-4608-94d2-8c5dab0e6dd1-jpeg.1061735/)

NOT the type you sent other buyers see:

(https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4109.0;attach=17258;image)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: fanfarlo on September 25, 2023, 04:26:04 PM
Hi all, a bit of a summary and ride impression from my end after doing the first kms on the frame:

Buying & Shipping
Bought via ebay. In total waited about 8 weeks for the frame to arrive. A bit longer than I expected. It was sent a few days after I asked when it will arrive, so maybe it was just forgotten
Packaging was well done nothing to complain here.

First frame impressions



Build: Mainly 2nd hand components

Tolerances
Honorable mentions


Ride Impressions
Impression based mainly on a comparison to my Giant TCX (cyclocrosser) using the same wheels - tyres. Forward setting of front wheel (not sure if this can even be changed without a brake adapter)
I like the ride of this frame. It doesn't feel too aggressive to me, but also not dull or boring. As said its not the siffest frame. Maybe nothing I would recommend for a 100kg guy stomping up 30% gravel roads if the supplied stem is used. 
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Overall would I buy it again?
Yes for the frame that I got: Sure, tolerances were not all great, but I was able to fix everything without a file and a few stripes of aluminium. The paint job looks brilliant, it rides well and it did not break the bank. However, the story might be different if I got one of the frames with the lower headset issue.

 


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 25, 2023, 05:22:26 PM
fanfarlo - excellent report. Would you mind posting a photo of what you mean by "paint was removed" for the lower fork area?

"The paint on the fork crown was removed (maybe the fork fit issue)."
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 26, 2023, 07:05:53 AM
Here is what Airwolf emailed me:

"Hello Dear,this is the same fork,just that when paint,there have some paint on the fork,so that the fork with frame distance is small,we have modify the model already,it will don't have this problem again."

I wonder if that is why your folks had paint sanded off? Pic would be great.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: fanfarlo on September 26, 2023, 01:07:58 PM
fanfarlo - excellent report. Would you mind posting a photo of what you mean by "paint was removed" for the lower fork area?
Can bei seen in Post #66. It looks like sanded off the paint from the fork crown after painting.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on September 26, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
Can bei seen in Post #66. It looks like sanded off the paint from the fork crown after painting.
Looks like they just took a Dremel and sanded it until it no longer was a problem...
Kind of a DIY solution if you ask me...  ???
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: ehvoo on September 26, 2023, 03:23:00 PM
Probably better to sand down the bottom of the head tube, but I don't think that would go over very well.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 28, 2023, 11:04:04 AM
I asked them via email about this but nothing back yet.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: ehvoo on September 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
It sounds like they're at least aware of the problem and adding steps to QA to make sure there is no fork rub on the frameset.

I'm thinking a non-painted frame is a safer bet for now, but that's not very fun.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on September 30, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
Mine is the matte frame and has the rubbing
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: ehvoo on September 30, 2023, 01:34:27 PM
Bummer, sorry about that.  Guess that conical washer is going to be a popular item, if anyone finds a source.

BTW I'm curious about those integrated bars.  Are they reasonably stiff?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 02, 2023, 07:16:59 AM
Update on the fork rubbing. I took the fork apart to inspect. Mostly rubbing on the bottom as you can see. I used some sandpaper to remove the matte paint and the thick primer (pink color) below it on the fork. Made a big difference (no rubbing / less) and now it is like the photo in earlier posts. Removing the paint / primer did not get to the carbon fiber of the fork at all. Must be very tight tolerances between the fork and frame and paint and primer is very thick. Will test and report back.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 03, 2023, 07:58:34 PM
The bikes was tested today and I think it is good to go now. We used a lot of Cervelo parts for the build.

Frame - YFR068
Cervelo stem - alloy
Cervelo bars - carbon fiber
Cervelo stem plug
Cervelo seat post
Cervelo frame bag
Cervelo computer mount
Cervelo stem spacers and a couple of the Airwolf ones
Supakaz bar tape
Group - GRX Di2 x 1 up front
XT brake rotors
Chinese carbon wheels no name
Specialized pathfinder tires
Weight - 19.5 lbs

 
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 03, 2023, 08:00:00 PM
The bike is super fast - rides really well - want to see how it holds up over time.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: ehvoo on October 04, 2023, 11:11:54 AM
Great!  Glad it's working for you.  Is sanding the fork crown the only modification you made to address the rubbing?  No larger (taller) lower bearing?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: kubackje on October 04, 2023, 01:49:57 PM
The bike is super fast - rides really well - want to see how it holds up over time.

What tire size did u use? How do u think What's the max this frame would clear
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 05, 2023, 11:05:47 AM
Good question - the bearing that is in the bottom is the one I posted earlier.

The tire size on it right now is 32 but it can take up to 42 no problem.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Sakizashi on October 05, 2023, 11:26:59 AM
The bikes was tested today and I think it is good to go now. We used a lot of Cervelo parts for the build.

Frame - YFR068
Cervelo stem - alloy
Cervelo bars - carbon fiber
Cervelo stem plug
Cervelo seat post
Cervelo frame bag
Cervelo computer mount
Cervelo stem spacers and a couple of the Airwolf ones
Supakaz bar tape
Group - GRX Di2 x 1 up front
XT brake rotors
Chinese carbon wheels no name
Specialized pathfinder tires
Weight - 19.5 lbs

Pardon my ignorance, but the frame doesnt come with the UCI approval right? You added the UCI sticker?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: edinhog7 on October 05, 2023, 03:49:40 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but the frame doesnt come with the UCI approval right? You added the UCI sticker?
I would like to know too, I liked the result.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 05, 2023, 07:55:07 PM
The frame does not come with any stickers.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 05, 2023, 07:56:16 PM
Except for the fork issue this is a very good frame in my opinion. It did take a lot of extra parts to get it to the place we wanted but it is really good so far.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Sakizashi on October 05, 2023, 11:03:06 PM
I know I am new-ish around here and there is a lot more acceptance of replica frames here than in other places. However, I don't really understand the point of adding a UCI logo to non-approved frame unless the point was go beyond adding the Cervelo logo on the HT to convince people that this is a real Aspero 5 or convince a race judge that this is an approved frame for use somewhere.

In general, I love the idea and geometry of this frameset. It's too bad IMO that they copied the downsides of this frameset along side the good things. I would have loved to see an aggressive gravel race bike like this or an all-road bike that used a round tube steerer, 52mm bearings lower and upper and a t47BB, either an asymmetric one or a normal one.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: kubackje on October 06, 2023, 02:46:55 AM
I know I am new-ish around here and there is a lot more acceptance of replica frames here than in other places. However, I don't really understand the point of adding a UCI logo to non-approved frame unless the point was go beyond adding the Cervelo logo on the HT to convince people that this is a real Aspero 5 or convince a race judge that this is an approved frame for use somewhere.

In general, I love the idea and geometry of this frameset. It's too bad IMO that they copied the downsides of this frameset along side the good things. I would have loved to see an aggressive gravel race bike like this or an all-road bike that used a round tube steerer, 52mm bearings lower and upper and a t47BB, either an asymmetric one or a normal one.

Bro chill out. Fuck UCI, this sticker means nothing even if it is original. It tells nothing about the quality of the frame, it's not like some iso certificate or something. In order to get it frame producer, just needs to pay to this greedy organization and the frame dimensions need to be within UCI rules. They don't care about the quality, just about their rules.

Anyway, gravel scene hates UCI and wants to stay away from this corrupt body as much as they can, so that's the bigger reason for not putting this sticker on the frame. But if the owner wants to do it? It is his choice mate, because this frame checks all to boxes of the rules. The manufacturer just did not pay the bribe. It's not like he is putting fake specialized, cervelo, trek sticker.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Sakizashi on October 06, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
Bro chill out. Fuck UCI, this sticker means nothing even if it is original. It tells nothing about the quality of the frame, it's not like some iso certificate or something. In order to get it frame producer, just needs to pay to this greedy organization and the frame dimensions need to be within UCI rules. They don't care about the quality, just about their rules.

Anyway, gravel scene hates UCI and wants to stay away from this corrupt body as much as they can, so that's the bigger reason for not putting this sticker on the frame. But if the owner wants to do it? It is his choice mate, because this frame checks all to boxes of the rules. The manufacturer just did not pay the bribe. It's not like he is putting fake specialized, cervelo, trek sticker.

There is BOTH a Cervelo logo and a UCI logo on the frame now.

I love gravel and I have no love for the UCI.

What is the point of adding both BOTH logos on your own?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: ehvoo on October 06, 2023, 01:28:48 PM
I think they were just going for a knock off of a Cervelo  :-\
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: kubackje on October 06, 2023, 02:47:29 PM
There is BOTH a Cervelo logo and a UCI logo on the frame now.

I love gravel and I have no love for the UCI.

What is the point of adding both BOTH logos on your own?

Did not see the cervelo one. I would not put stickers like that on my own bike with all the custom options available. But I don't really care that the owner did, since it's his bike. You should also. So chill and stop being such a Karen, because you seem to be indignant af by this fact
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Sakizashi on October 06, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
Did not see the cervelo one. I would not put stickers like that on my own bike with all the custom options available. But I don't really care that the owner did, since it's his bike. You should also. So chill and stop being such a Karen, because you seem to be indignant af by this fact

Not sure what is getting under your skin so much, just asking a few questions to understand the mindset here.

I am totally cool with taking the elements of a good design and improving them. I think the patent / trademark system is pretty broken and abused. I am less cool with creating counterfeits with the intent to fool others and if you really believe in the big picture of wanting more brand diversity and more great open mold options, you should also care as counterfeits have historically competed against open mold frames for access to the western market via low volume resellers.

Nice to meet you Mr. Chill, I guess I am Karen.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 09, 2023, 05:19:03 PM
The internet lol
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: viktorN on October 11, 2023, 06:54:46 AM
Cool to hear the riding experience is so positive Honda!
If anyone else orders this frame it would be lovely to see more photos of the internals (BB, up headset area and possible down the downtube etc) to get a better idea of the construction quality.

cheers, and stay kind, we create the world we wanna live in, in every moment, right ;)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 13, 2023, 07:05:49 PM
Got the "spacer" from Airwolf this week. Useless - did not even fit. Bike is performing very well. It's a great bike - really comparable to my Aspero 5.



Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 13, 2023, 07:09:39 PM
Weights are pretty close. The Airwolf is a 1x but it has heavier wheels. Almost everything else is the same. We have a VB-168 and it does not feel as "lively" as a SL7. This bike feels really responsive. When you give it power it really accelerates!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: chineesje on October 14, 2023, 06:24:42 AM
Question for you @Honda, can I use all the Airwolf spacers etc with the cervélo stem? I can buy the cervélo alu stem second hand for 40 euro's (wich I trust more than the airwolf one) but without the spacers.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 14, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
Yes - I actually used a mix of Cervelo and Airwolf spacers with the alu Cervelo stem. The carbon stem they sent is ok but for gravel I don't mind having a bit more weight for piece of mind. My Aspero 5 came with a alu stem not carbon.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: bikercu on October 15, 2023, 11:20:39 AM
After my fork also touched my red frame and the headset couldn't be adjusted properly, I also got the spacer.  But it really doesn't work... so it was dismantled again.  then completely sanded the frame on the lower headset bearing until the paint was gone.  Since I had already driven a few kilometers before, I could clearly see drag marks.  After grinding there was finally no more grinding between frame and fork and the headset bearing could be adjusted.  Despite the small improvements, a great frame!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 15, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
bikercu - that is good!! Same as my experience.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: hahel on October 16, 2023, 11:42:32 AM
I'm tempted to buy this frame to use as a gravel/bad weather bike.
Trying to stay focused on the intended use, I want fender mounts.
Is there any fender mounts on this frame? I've been looking at specs and the posted pictures and Its not promising, can anyone confirm my suspicions?

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 16, 2023, 01:39:22 PM
No fender mounts - race bike. Could run some of the no mount needed types.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on October 25, 2023, 06:29:23 AM
The bikes was tested today and I think it is good to go now. We used a lot of Cervelo parts for the build.

Frame - YFR068
Cervelo stem - alloy
Cervelo bars - carbon fiber
Cervelo stem plug
Cervelo seat post
Cervelo frame bag
Cervelo computer mount
Cervelo stem spacers and a couple of the Airwolf ones
Supakaz bar tape
Group - GRX Di2 x 1 up front
XT brake rotors
Chinese carbon wheels no name
Specialized pathfinder tires
Weight - 19.5 lbs

Hi Honda, do you have more details of the wheels? Really like the finish, reminds me of ENVE.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on October 27, 2023, 10:49:41 PM
Hey - yes these are the wheels. They have been very good.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y5GPF9N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: viktorN on November 01, 2023, 03:54:39 AM
Frame - YFR068
Cervelo stem - alloy
Cervelo bars - carbon fiber
Cervelo stem plug
Cervelo seat post
Cervelo frame bag
Cervelo computer mount
Cervelo stem spacers and a couple of the Airwolf ones

Ok, so original headset bearings, original c-clip/ ring and not the blue Cervélo one? Airwolf bearing cap (that sits between bearing clip and the spacers?
I'm curious as I might do a similar build, but have had a few issues with play in the headset due to the design of the c-clip I think. Curious to hear about your experience in this regard, any play in the headset on yours?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: discorddnb on November 02, 2023, 11:21:41 AM
Hi guys,

do I get this correctly: the headset scrubbing/spacing issues seem to come down to tolerances due to the paint around the headset area?
I'm planning on getting the black version… and it's gonna by my very first bike build. Wondering how much material the matte/gloss would add. So do you think getting the black one might mitigate the headset issues?

Also, I read on a German forum that the bike features a D-shape steerer. Can't see that on any images, is that correct? Would that mean that it only fits the supplied stem?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 02, 2023, 04:05:57 PM
Hi guys,

do I get this correctly: the headset scrubbing/spacing issues seem to come down to tolerances due to the paint around the headset area?
I'm planning on getting the black version… and it's gonna by my very first bike build. Wondering how much material the matte/gloss would add. So do you think getting the black one might mitigate the headset issues?

Also, I read on a German forum that the bike features a D-shape steerer. Can't see that on any images, is that correct? Would that mean that it only fits the supplied stem?

If you look closely to the steerer tube in the image attached you can clearly see two highlights, which indicates the indentation. Any stem would work would be my guessing as long it allows cable routing through the stem.

https://airwolfcarbonbike.com/product/yfr068-2023-new-arrival-airwolf-a5-48-51-54-56-58cm-crystal-liquid-polymer-70040c-gravel-carbon-frame-with-handlebar-thru-axle-14212mm-internal-cable-road-bicycle-frames/

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 02, 2023, 04:25:13 PM
Maybe one of the owners in this thread can confirm if the cockpit setup looks like this?

(https://velo-cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Cervelo-Aspero-bar-stem-junction.jpg?width=730)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gofasterstripes on November 03, 2023, 05:39:09 AM
looking at the pictures of the stem it's specific to the bike, but reading through the threads the cervelo stems for the aspero also fits
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on November 06, 2023, 08:37:42 PM
Q -> Ok, so original headset bearings, original c-clip/ ring and not the blue Cervélo one? Airwolf bearing cap (that sits between bearing clip and the spacers?

There is no race on the bottom of the fork. Upper used the one that came with the bike I think.


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on November 06, 2023, 08:38:45 PM
Q -> the headset scrubbing/spacing issues seem to come down to tolerances due to the paint around the headset area?

On my bike that is what I did based on what I saw from Airwolf.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on November 07, 2023, 01:11:25 PM
Hello Gentlemen,

sorry for not posting for a long time - I think I started the discussion here about the frontend. But time flew so fast the last months (birth of 2nd child, job change, road racing, etc), that I did not ride much with my Chinarelo.
After all Airwolf sent a spacer for the lower headset bearing, which seemed a quite good solution. I rode nearly 300km with it in training and now wanted to change my bar to another one - so I disassembled the frontend once again and found a deep edge at my forktube.

I am a really big fan of chinese products, but my believe in good products got a huge bend - At the moment I believe this section will be a intended breaking point after more time with the bike so I am not going to ride this any more and will claim for warranty.

In my oppinion the edge is caused by the spacer and will cut deeper into the fork. What do you think about this?


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on November 07, 2023, 08:53:39 PM
Please let us know what happens.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on November 08, 2023, 03:41:03 AM
They say it’s just the paint. But to be honest: this bike is ridden 300km. My TanTan Roadbike doesn‘t have a edge after 15.000km. The support tries it best to avoid it: but in my opionion this the point where warranty claim should be accepted - any Chance to get aliexpress or paypal involved?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gofasterstripes on November 08, 2023, 05:42:15 AM
Would it be worth asking for a replacement fork as they seem to have stopped spraying around the bearing race on the forks?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on November 08, 2023, 05:59:45 AM
They say it’s just the paint. But to be honest: this bike is ridden 300km. My TanTan Roadbike doesn‘t have a edge after 15.000km. The support tries it best to avoid it: but in my opionion this the point where warranty claim should be accepted - any Chance to get aliexpress or paypal involved?

If it is past the 14 days after delivery you can probably forget Aliexpress helping you...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 08, 2023, 01:16:43 PM
Honestly I don't think there's much to worry about. Why is that part of the fork painted in the first place? A crown race of a carbon fork supposed to be clean. Google it and you'll find out.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Honda118 on November 08, 2023, 08:16:29 PM
I also vote for getting a new fork from Airwolf.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on November 09, 2023, 12:21:52 AM
Unless the carbon itself is gouged I would not worry. Tbe photo does just look like paint damage.

That said if you can wrangle a new fork, go for it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: matvansteen on November 09, 2023, 02:49:44 AM
Hi,
I bought this frame and I'm in the (very slow) process of building it up. Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced my front axle, so I will be needing a new one. However, I don't have the measurements. I only know that it's 100*12mm but I would also like to know the total length, the screw thread length, and the screw thread pitch.
Could anyone help me with this information, please?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on November 09, 2023, 05:08:53 AM
I also vote for getting a new fork from Airwolf.

"This is really paint here. If there are carbon fiber cracks, I will repair a  fork"

--> This is the answer to my bid for a new fork...

Very satisfying :-)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on November 09, 2023, 05:16:37 AM
The problem is with the spacer. You say it works, but is not ideal. The contact area between spacer and fork is very small hence the indentation. Looks like they took a normal crown race and changed the 90° inside angle to a 45 °angle so it would sit deeper.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on November 09, 2023, 02:35:21 PM
One question in between:
Did all of you receive a glossy bar/stem when ordered a glossy frame?

I had the problem that I got these items in glossy while the seatpost was matte...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: matvansteen on November 10, 2023, 05:18:27 AM
One question in between:
Did all of you receive a glossy bar/stem when ordered a glossy frame?

I had the problem that I got these items in glossy while the seatpost was matte...

I ordered a glossy frame but saw that the listing on Aliexpress only mentioned that the seatpost was matte, so I specifically asked if I could get a matte bar & stem as well.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: kubackje on November 10, 2023, 05:30:24 AM
I ordered a glossy frame but saw that the listing on Aliexpress only mentioned that the seatpost was matte, so I specifically asked if I could get a matte bar & stem as well.

Matte seatpost, glossy cockpit really that bad looking combo?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: matvansteen on November 10, 2023, 05:41:46 AM
Matte seatpost, glossy cockpit really that bad looking combo?
I wouldn't think so. Just personal preference.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 10, 2023, 03:23:26 PM
It‘s 49.5…

@timjen I noticed your downtube protector. May I ask which one you've been using?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 17, 2023, 03:28:08 AM
I've been in touch with Airwolf with question if the headtube bearing and seatpost issues are resolved. They have confirmed they are. I asked for for recording as proof, and I received the videos attached.

If the issue with the headtube bearing is resolved is hard to judge when not fully assembled (like in the video).
What I can tell from the seatpost, it's humongous. It goes all the way through, at least far enough.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gofasterstripes on November 17, 2023, 12:11:13 PM
The bike is super fast - rides really well - want to see how it holds up over time.
Hi, I'd be interested to hear what a your views of the bike now you've had it a few weeks and hopefully ridden it a bit more.
Have you noticed any significant differences to the Aspero?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: xzoahx on November 21, 2023, 01:38:28 PM
Hello guys, in august i paid and month ago get my airwolf chinaspero, and now i try finish my build. I didn't find any problems with the headset.
I got a few problems with this frame, and i added photo below
1 is a conscious step: i'm 168cm and 51 frame and i realy dont want 90mm stem in minimum from airwolf. and i buy 70*400 "ali creston X" and made spacer for C-shape. I also made a custom 3D printed top cap made of nylon-carbon to fit new bulky aero spacers
https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005005343957468.html?spm=a2g2w.orderdetail.0.0.51764aa6FwW3mF&sku_id=12000032687250928
2 rear axle thread have very bad quality. I got the tools from a local shop to restore the threads, I have yet to finish it. let's see what happen, maybe need new thru-axle too
3 oversazed seatpost tube hole. it seems like 27.5mm, i can fix seatpost only 7-8nm, and you can look how clamp it feel. I made an adapter from an aluminum beer can and it works much better. It fit perfectly, I think it's about .15mm in thickness, which cuts the diameter to about 0.3mm. now it works at regular 4nm
  also my specs
Ritchey WCS carbon 1bolt zero offset + WTB sl8 carbon narrow
ZTTO threadlock bb79dub
 wheels: gr9 696 (i9 hydra ratchet copy) goldix hub + 40/45 carbon 30mm wide noname rims + wing20 (1380g)
 maxxis rambler 700x38c tubeless
And tranmission Sram AXS Force, +Red cassette and crank, 43/30 * 10-33, 167.5mm
  8kg with 300g pedals in total
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 27, 2023, 07:36:59 AM
I just pulled the trigger myself. Question for the Airwolf YFR068 owners; did the frameset come with flared handlebars?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on November 27, 2023, 11:15:37 AM
Has anyone had issues with the bottom headset bearing sitting too high on the fork? Looking at other builds it seems like the gap between my head tube and fork crown is too much
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on November 28, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
Has anyone had issues with the bottom headset bearing sitting too high on the fork? Looking at other builds it seems like the gap between my head tube and fork crown is too much

How much is too much? Do you have a picture?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on December 02, 2023, 08:42:27 PM
Its probably 2-3mm. Enough that its visible. I think either they sent me the wrong bearings or there is an issue with the headtube. I'm worried its the latter since visually the bearings look the same as what has been previously posted.

I went ahead and built the bike up anyway and have been pleasantly surprised by how well it rides. Its pretty snappy and handles well. A couple issues ive encountered:

- the headset
- it seems like the spacing is off on the rear. There is 3-4mm more clearance on the drive side than non driveside. When L45er measured the tire clearance earlier that seemed to be the case on their bike too. Ive tried a few different wheels and they all line up the same.
- the brake mounts were painted over
- the compression plug has some sharp edges that hang over the steerer

Overall, I'm happy with what I got for $700. If they could fix these few issues it'd be a homerun.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on December 03, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
That's a sweet looking rig! Very inspirational to see a mullet setup for a change.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: cooky on December 05, 2023, 06:34:25 AM
Received mine yesterday,  initially impressed but then realised they had sent me the wrong size . I ordered 56cm and got sent a 51cm , hopefully they will sort it out . Otherwise I'm stuck with a frame that's too small for me
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on December 05, 2023, 01:31:37 PM
Received mine yesterday,  initially impressed but then realised they had sent me the wrong size . I ordered 56cm and got sent a 51cm , hopefully they will sort it out . Otherwise I'm stuck with a frame that's too small for me

 :-\  seriously? Did you order from Airwolf on Alix directly?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: cooky on December 06, 2023, 02:50:36 PM
:-\  seriously? Did you order from Airwolf on Alix directly?

Yeah on ali , I know I selected 56cm , I'd taken weeks to check things out and research etc .
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on December 07, 2023, 12:44:57 AM
Yeah on ali , I know I selected 56cm , I'd taken weeks to check things out and research etc .

That's very unfortunate to hear, hopefully they will be able to resolve this mishap in a proper way.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: 00Garza on December 07, 2023, 02:05:25 PM
Yeah on ali , I know I selected 56cm , I'd taken weeks to check things out and research etc .

Your order confirmation and invoice should tell you the details of what you chose. I saw your for sale post. Is Ali not going to help you out?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on January 15, 2024, 09:00:27 AM
Just going to put it here. After 2 of months waiting my frameset finally arrived. Order was placed just before Black Friday 17 November 2023, paintjob took much longer than expected but was worth the wait.

- The paintjob is done nicely, yes including logos. (I regret the matte finish already, it's hard to keep clean!).
- As far I can judge it, no headset issues (will confirm after cockpit is fully assembled).
- No play in seatpost binding area. Seatpost sit flush and keeps its height.

I've replaced some stock parts already with the original ones to make it look even more like an identical twin ;D more original parts are on its way.

This is my second replica frame and my goal is to build a sub 3K bike that looks like the real deal. I might dedicated a new thread for this...

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gofasterstripes on January 16, 2024, 07:37:46 AM
Did the frame come with the di2 cable port by the bottom bracket as standard or did you have to request it when you ordered the frame?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on January 16, 2024, 08:47:29 AM
Did the frame come with the di2 cable port by the bottom bracket as standard or did you have to request it when you ordered the frame?

No, did not requested any customizations except for the paintjob. Frame comes with two ports between the BB and FD area, one port is covered with a rubber grommet plug.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: p4R4d0x on January 17, 2024, 09:27:26 AM
I'm really interested in building up one of these YFR068s (also looking at the GF-002/YFR045 or BXT Gravel 135), but from reading these threads, it sounds like there are so many issues, especially centered around the headset area. I'm wondering if I should be looking at something else instead (it would be my first full-bike build), or if most of these are sorted and it's a really small chance I'l run into the issue, or if the problems have since been solved?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: bichler.bua on January 17, 2024, 10:20:31 AM
I'm really interested in building up one of these YFR068s (also looking at the GF-002/YFR045 or BXT Gravel 135), but from reading these threads, it sounds like there are so many issues, especially centered around the headset area. I'm wondering if I should be looking at something else instead (it would be my first full-bike build), or if most of these are sorted and it's a really small chance I'l run into the issue, or if the problems have since been solved?

Well, Velobuild is not famous for their headset, either - lots of issues in this forum reported.
I believe not matter if Airwolf or Velobuild: be prepared to sort it out yourself...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jonathanf2 on January 17, 2024, 11:24:12 AM
I don't get why people keep buying Velobuild frames? It seems like they have constant headset issues being reported on here. I've bought two frames from AliExpress (SPcycle and TFSA) and both have been solid. There are a lot more options out there that seem to get over looked due to people easily getting influenced to buy from the same vendors.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: p4R4d0x on January 17, 2024, 01:02:45 PM
Well, Velobuild is not famous for their headset, either - lots of issues in this forum reported.
I believe not matter if Airwolf or Velobuild: be prepared to sort it out yourself...

Oh, yeah, I didn't word this super clearly but I was including all of the frames I mentioned in my "there seem to be so many headset issues" - I feel like every time I find a frame that looks promising, digging into it just reveals a "you might get a frame that looks super cool and kinda works, or you might get a frame that looks super cool and is a gigantic headache that you'll never get to ride." Other than buying a "name brand" or spending more than I'd like to for just building a "bonus bike" to use up some spare parts, I'm having a hard time figuring out which frames are worth looking at.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: p4R4d0x on January 17, 2024, 01:08:57 PM
I don't get why people keep buying Velobuild frames? It seems like they have constant headset issues being reported on here. I've bought two frames from AliExpress (SPcycle and TFSA) and both have been solid. There are a lot more options out there that seem to get over looked due to people easily getting influenced to buy from the same vendors.

This might be a bit of a contradiction - Isn't SP Cycle making the Velobuild frames?

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3937.msg40840.html#msg40840
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jonathanf2 on January 17, 2024, 07:46:13 PM
This might be a bit of a contradiction - Isn't SP Cycle making the Velobuild frames?

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3937.msg40840.html#msg40840

Could it be one of those situations where one seller sources frames from multiple factories such as Elves?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: p4R4d0x on January 17, 2024, 08:47:37 PM
Could it be one of those situations where one seller sources frames from multiple factories such as Elves?

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: chineesje on January 22, 2024, 11:41:01 AM

- it seems like the spacing is off on the rear. There is 3-4mm more clearance on the drive side than non driveside. When L45er measured the tire clearance earlier that seemed to be the case on their bike too. Ive tried a few different wheels and they all line up the same.


I recently received my frame and it has the same problem but worse, the difference in clearance between drive and non-drive side is about 1cm. I messaged Airwolf on Ali express because 1) it just looks bad and 2) it might cause some problems when mounting 40mm tyres.

While waiting for a response I initiated a dispute because the 15 day period was coming to an end. Airwolf asked for a lot of pictures, mainly from the derailleur hanger and then stated a bike shop could fix the problem for $50. This made no sense to me as they didn't even give a solution or cause for the problem. In the meantime Ali offered a $70 refund as the solution. I did not agree and explained it would not be easy for my LBS to fix this problem (don't even know what and how he would need to fix this as Airwolf gave no explanation).

Now Airwolf has offered me to send a new frame (good!) but they are asking to close the dispute if I agree. This seems really fishy to me, do you guys have any tips or advice?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on January 22, 2024, 12:10:01 PM
Asking to close a dispute is high on the Ali scamming list (see the Aliexpress reddit) and is generaly advised against...
when you close the dispute the case is closed for Ali and they will not help you again with this problem.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: edinhog7 on January 23, 2024, 07:24:55 AM
I had a frame rejected from entry into my country (Brazil), from the seller AIRWOLF EXCLUSIVE SHOP Store. The seller received the frame back and didn't want to refund me, so don't buy from this seller on Aliexpress. He also wanted me to remove the dispute so he could send me another frame, after waiting 15 days and nothing being sent, I continued with the dispute and got my money back.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: edinhog7 on January 23, 2024, 07:29:27 AM
No, did not requested any customizations except for the paintjob. Frame comes with two ports between the BB and FD area, one port is covered with a rubber grommet plug.
Where did you do the painting?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on January 23, 2024, 12:45:02 PM
Where did you do the painting?

Through Airwolf official store on Ali. I was in touch with shimida@yaoflying.com and received a catalog by mail. All communication went through Ali and paid with Paypal. Looking back, not really a smart move since I can't open a dispute when something goes wrong.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: edinhog7 on January 24, 2024, 02:38:31 AM
How much time does it take to complete the painting?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: zilcho on January 25, 2024, 09:13:28 AM
Asking to close a dispute is high on the Ali scamming list (see the Aliexpress reddit) and is generaly advised against...
when you close the dispute the case is closed for Ali and they will not help you again with this problem.

I have an open dispute at the moment and had an email exchange that had gone silent during the dispute but now they are asking me to close it and saying they will then refund me. I will be leaving it open until resolved through AliExpress.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on January 25, 2024, 10:35:40 AM
How much time does it take to complete the painting?

Around 8 weeks.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 02, 2024, 03:20:53 PM
Looking at this frame after my GF-002 was stolen. I want to try something different geo wise and this seems like a good fit particularly with the shorter chainstays.

I would like a fully integrated bar and wondering if you are limited to the stem/bar provided? What would a suitable integrated look like.

Also any new thoughts on the headset or seatpost issues. Happy to deal with them myself if necessary but would be nice if AirWolf are paying attention.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on February 06, 2024, 09:55:45 AM
You are pretty limited because of the d-shape steering tube. You might be able to use a normal stem with a wedge. Ridley produces them, couldn’t find any on ali.

Im selling my frame now, I can get this thing to work but I am pretty pissed because all of the problems and the bad communication from the seller.

Wouldn’t risk to buy one of there are so many issues with it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 06, 2024, 10:11:58 AM
You are pretty limited because of the d-shape steering tube. You might be able to use a normal stem with a wedge. Ridley produces them, couldn’t find any on ali.

Im selling my frame now, I can get this thing to work but I am pretty pissed because all of the problems and the bad communication from the seller.

Wouldn’t risk to buy one of there are so many issues with it.
such a shame, its quite a unique frame as far as chiners go. Do you have your eye on an alternative? I'm very keen on the aggressive geo
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 06, 2024, 01:20:35 PM
You are pretty limited because of the d-shape steering tube. You might be able to use a normal stem with a wedge. Ridley produces them, couldn’t find any on ali.

Im selling my frame now, I can get this thing to work but I am pretty pissed because all of the problems and the bad communication from the seller.

Wouldn’t risk to buy one of there are so many issues with it.

That's very unfortunate to hear, I guess you're very unlucky. Seems like not all owners run into the same issues like you did. As far on my judgement of the frame, no issues so far. Fingers crossed that I won't run into trouble and need to deal with them once after putting some milage on it. I'm building up the frame as we speak.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 06, 2024, 03:02:09 PM
That's very unfortunate to hear, I guess you're very unlucky. Seems like not all owners run into the same issues like you did. As far on my judgement of the frame, no issues so far. Fingers crossed that I won't run into trouble and need to deal with them once after putting some milage on it. I'm building up the frame as we speak.
Keep us updated :D
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on February 07, 2024, 08:26:11 AM
such a shame, its quite a unique frame as far as chiners go. Do you have your eye on an alternative? I'm very keen on the aggressive geo

Not really, bought myself an Aethos. Will be enough for some light gravel.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on February 07, 2024, 08:32:51 AM
That's very unfortunate to hear, I guess you're very unlucky. Seems like not all owners run into the same issues like you did. As far on my judgement of the frame, no issues so far. Fingers crossed that I won't run into trouble and need to deal with them once after putting some milage on it. I'm building up the frame as we speak.

Hope everything is fine. I had two issues: Headsetplay (top), after complaining they told me I had the wrong centering ring (don´t know if this is the right word for it). They sent me a new one, but it was exactly the same one.
Second issue was the tight clearance between fork und frame. Adapter they sent me didn´t work and I´ve bought a different bearing, which doesn´t fit lengthwise (49 instead of 49,5mm) but builds a little bit higher.

Can anyone sent a photo of the "centering ring"? I bought a cervelo one, but haven´t tried it yet.

Regards,
Jim
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 07, 2024, 12:35:37 PM
I just shortened the steerer tube and installed the entire thing. It fits nicely and there's no rubbing or any play. Fork rotates as intended.

One thing I want to point out. The expander plug did not fit correctly, after tightening it was quite off-center, which made it impossible to slide the stem over the steerer tube. I took a vice and trimmed some material from the most top part of the expander plug (which sits on top of the steerer tube). By doing this, the radius got smaller and was able to assemble the cockpit. Took about 30min to complete the job. Very happy with the result.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 07, 2024, 01:58:56 PM
They advertise this integrated bar being compatible with D shaped steerer. Any ideas if it would be suitable? https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJu6eT3

This one is supplied with a wedge https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQL0GvP
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Jim.de on February 08, 2024, 11:20:56 AM
The first one needs a wedge aswell. But it should fit with it.

But then you could buy only the wedge and use any stem or stem/handlebar combo.

Be aware, they say measurements are from outside to outside.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 08, 2024, 01:00:48 PM
They advertise this integrated bar being compatible with D shaped steerer. Any ideas if it would be suitable? https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJu6eT3

This one is supplied with a wedge https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQL0GvP

Looking at the cable routing the Ryet integrated handlebar might fit, the second one with the wedge (Black inc. copy) definitely not since the corner the cable needs to make is too tight and the wedge doesn't correspond with the shape of the steerer tube. The original stem provided with the Airwolf frameset the cable runs 'freely' along the steerer tube, there's a separate hole in the stem to route the cables through, which is identical to the ST31 and ST32 Cervelo stems.

Any traditional 31.8 stem should work on the D-shaped steerer tube without the wedge is my guessing.

Wolffcon made it work with a Zipp SL Sprint stem, what I can tell from the pictures.
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg53296.html#msg53296
https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4109.0;attach=18751;image
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 08, 2024, 01:57:46 PM
Looking at the cable routing the Ryet integrated handlebar might fit, the second one with the wedge (Black inc. copy) definitely not since the corner the cable needs to make is too tight and the wedge doesn't correspond with the shape of the steerer tube. The original stem provided with the Airwolf frameset the cable runs 'freely' along the steerer tube, there's a separate hole in the stem to route the cables through, which is identical to the ST31 and ST32 Cervelo stems.

Any traditional 31.8 stem should work on the D-shaped steerer tube without the wedge is my guessing.

Wolffcon made it work with a Zipp SL Sprint stem, what I can tell from the pictures.
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg53296.html#msg53296
https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4109.0;attach=18751;image
I've seen some people say the stem comes loose on D shape steerer but who knows without giving it a test ::)

The image for the second one (mission/black inc) supplied with a wedge shows the cables routed with the wedge so there should be enough space? Di2 only not mechanical

As you say I doubt any wedge would perfectly fit the steerer as it has a curve instead of being flat. I havent been able to find a wedge that is made for Cervelo but if its made of Nylon or similar a bit of sanding should make it fit.

(https://i.imgur.com/CkuY9eX.png)
^image of (mission/black inc) bar linked above from the AliX listing


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 08, 2024, 02:10:08 PM
It might even be possible to install the Mission/Black inc. handlebar without the wedge and use the top cap provided with the frame. The only thing might not be possible is adding additional spacers, unless you trim down excess material to make it fit.

This is how the headset top cap looks like.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 08, 2024, 02:48:19 PM
It might even be possible to install the Mission/Black inc. handlebar without the wedge and use the top cap provided with the frame. The only thing might not be possible is adding additional spacers, unless you trim down excess material to make it fit.

This is how the headset top cap looks like.
Will still be a couple of months before I'm ready to buy but I will probably order that bar and see how it works. Free returns apparently so shouldn't be a loss if it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on February 09, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Finally I am working on my Chinerelo again. Everything is mounted and bleeded, but I can't set up the headset. The expander plug wents up everytime. How tight should the expander plug be? 7nm and montage paste didn't work so far.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 09, 2024, 10:46:02 AM
Finally I am working on my Chinerelo again. Everything is mounted and bleeded, but I can't set up the headset. The expander plug wents up everytime. How tight should the expander plug be? 7nm and montage paste didn't work so far.

Did you use the expander plug that came with the frameset? You might need to make some adjustments to make it fit like I did. I didn't use any carbon paste, also no torque wrench.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 09, 2024, 01:28:26 PM
My build is pretty much finished, still waiting for some small parts to arrive and need to dial in the rear mech. Overall quite satisfied with how it came together, especially for what I spend on it. Total costs: € 2650,- incl. handbuilt wheels with DT-Swiss 350 hubs and Sapim CX spokes.

Assembling went pretty much flawless, except for the expander plug as mentioned in one of my previous posts. The frame does have one noticable flaw which are the holes for the bottle cages are not aligned properly. The bottle cage mounted on the seat tube is pointing somewhat outwards towards the non-drive-side. No way you can fix that when mounting plastic or carbon cages. I wonder if other frame owners have this same issue.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on February 10, 2024, 05:14:13 AM
Did you use the expander plug that came with the frameset? You might need to make some adjustments to make it fit like I did. I didn't use any carbon paste, also no torque wrench.

Did you shape the expander top-cap a little? It sits really tight in the stem. Unfortunally I can‘t find any other D-Shape Expander here in Germany - Cervelo and/or Factor should fit, but seems to be very expansive and not available in aftermarket…
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 10, 2024, 06:43:06 AM
Did you shape the expander top-cap a little? It sits really tight in the stem. Unfortunally I can‘t find any other D-Shape Expander here in Germany - Cervelo and/or Factor should fit, but seems to be very expansive and not available in aftermarket…

I wouldn't bother buying an more expensive (original) one, you will probably end up with the same challenge. I did use a vice to trim down material of the top-cap. No way otherwise it would fit.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Exar on February 10, 2024, 06:47:06 AM
The original Cervelo expander doesn't fit, which is too bad because the design is a lot more elegant (more outward moving parts, better ridges on the gripping part).
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: l45er on February 11, 2024, 07:38:57 PM
- it seems like the spacing is off on the rear. There is 3-4mm more clearance on the drive side than non driveside. When L45er measured the tire clearance earlier that seemed to be the case on their bike too. Ive tried a few different wheels and they all line up the same.

I was looking at my bike yesterday and yes there is more clearance on the driveside.

From what I can see, the chainstay is a different shape on driveside vs non-driveside. Hard to explain in words, but the driveside is a thinner profile from above and scalloped out on the rim facing side which seems to be what increases the dimension on that side vs the non-driveside which is just a standard roundish tube profile. Doesn't seem to affect the bike in any way.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: wolffcon on February 11, 2024, 09:01:34 PM
I haven't noticed any effect from it, except if I want to run larger tires. The asymmetry is a the chain stay and seat stay though so I don't think its due to tube profiles.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: timjen on February 15, 2024, 12:48:47 AM
I wouldn't bother buying an more expensive (original) one, you will probably end up with the same challenge. I did use a vice to trim down material of the top-cap. No way otherwise it would fit.

Shaping the cap was the solution. The headset is doing his work now. Thank you so much
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 15, 2024, 01:14:48 PM
Shaping the cap was the solution. The headset is doing his work now. Thank you so much

Glad to hear!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 15, 2024, 02:07:03 PM
I had the chance to take this bike for a little spin last week and I ended up doing a 75km testride. This bike is just fantastic, not sure what else I can say. Comfortable, yet responsive and no noticable weaknesses.

For this build I decided to go for a mullet setup which I still need to get used to. Somewhat overrated for the area where I live. Everything is flat as a pancake and coming from a roadie, this setup doesn't go fast enough to my likings. Might change to a SRAM XPLR setup to see which one works better for me.

Parts list:
Frameset:Airwolf YFR068
Handlebars:Airwolf HB001 42mm
Stem:Cervelo ST32 90mm
Handlebar tape:BBB Cycling BHT-14 FlexRibbon
Computer mount:No name
Shifters:SRAM Force eTap AXS HRD Shift-Brake System | ED-FRC-D1
Seatpost:Cervelo SP19
Bottle cages:King cage stainless steel
Saddle:Fizik Antares R3 Versus EVO
Crankset:SRAM Force D1 Power meter crankset
Chainring:SRAM X-Sync 42t chainring
Bottom bracket:SRAM DUB PressFit30 Road 79 mm BBRight
Rear derailleur:SRAM GX Eagle AXS 12 speed
Cassette:SRAM XG-1275 GX Eagle 12 speed 10-50t Cassette
Rims:No name UD matte carbon rims, 39/44mm height, 31mm width hookless
Hubs:DT-Swiss 350 straightpull centerlock hubs
Spokes:Sapim CX Ray, CX Sprint
Tires:Panaracer Gravelking SK TLC 700x38c

Total spent:€ 2675,00
Total weight:9,04kg (incl. pedals)



Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on February 23, 2024, 01:49:06 AM
Finished my build to, got a little play in the headset that i'm unsure about managed to get most out of it. I'll testride it tomorrow.
Budget build with Sram apex and Elite Wheels.

Anyone has a picture of what u shape exactly on the expander?

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Exar on February 23, 2024, 08:43:00 AM
For me the alloy top part was sticking out wider than the fork, so I sanded it down until it was flush. Otherwise the stem wouldn't slide over the top of the fork.

My build is almost finished, just received a GRX Di2 front derailleur so that a 45C Schwalbe G-One RS fits (not much room to spare but i wouldn't ride these tires in muddy conditions anyway). With a Dura Ace Di2 there was about one millimetre to spare, and now it's maybe 3-4mm. The only challenges so far were the expander and getting the headset running smoothly, a thin spacer underneath the top cap solved it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 23, 2024, 09:33:41 AM
The trick is indeed to sand down the most outer radius of the top cap of the compression plug (marked in red). This part should align with your steerer tube, otherwise your stem will never going to fit!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jsiegrist on February 23, 2024, 11:36:10 PM
I am about to pull the trigger on one of these for my wife but was hoping to glean a little info before I proceed. Someone had mentioned these only being really a good option in size 54 and above, but she’s going to need the 51cm as she’s 5’5”. Anyone have any thoughts?

Also, the c shaped steerer. Some have said a round stem works fine, others have said they slip. I don’t have a problem getting the cervelo c shaped stem, but what about bars that are compatible? Basically I’d like something with some flare, but I’m at a loss as to what is compatible. This doesn’t appear to be ACR and has a non-standard headset size. What are people doing regarding bar/stem combo?

Thanks for any insight!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jsiegrist on February 23, 2024, 11:37:39 PM
Are the logos just vinyl decals? Did you buy them or make them?

My build is pretty much finished, still waiting for some small parts to arrive and need to dial in the rear mech. Overall quite satisfied with how it came together, especially for what I spend on it. Total costs: € 2650,- incl. handbuilt wheels with DT-Swiss 350 hubs and Sapim CX spokes.

Assembling went pretty much flawless, except for the expander plug as mentioned in one of my previous posts. The frame does have one noticable flaw which are the holes for the bottle cages are not aligned properly. The bottle cage mounted on the seat tube is pointing somewhat outwards towards the non-drive-side. No way you can fix that when mounting plastic or carbon cages. I wonder if other frame owners have this same issue.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 24, 2024, 03:18:19 AM
Are the logos just vinyl decals? Did you buy them or make them?

Logos on the bike are custom painted.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on February 24, 2024, 01:10:11 PM
Logos on the bike are custom painted.
Did airwolf do them?  ;)
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jsiegrist on February 25, 2024, 11:13:09 AM
Adding on to my questions:

Does anyone know if the trail mixer brake adapter is required to run the front fork in the forward position as it is on the Aspero?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on February 26, 2024, 03:20:23 AM
Did airwolf do them?  ;)

Official answer no, real answer..

You know where it's going, send them a message they are very responsive.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on February 26, 2024, 03:21:12 AM
Headset play fixed btw, thx guys!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Exar on February 26, 2024, 07:08:38 AM
Adding on to my questions:

Does anyone know if the trail mixer brake adapter is required to run the front fork in the forward position as it is on the Aspero?

Probably, since the distance from the brake caliper changes when you flip the chips.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on February 27, 2024, 04:42:29 AM
Useful information if somebody wants to install a direct mount hanger. Asked Airwolf about, but they only had normal hanger. The hanger looked really similar to Specialized discs model. I bought a specialized direct mount hanger, exactly same dimensions and works perfectly.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on February 27, 2024, 08:29:35 AM
Useful information if somebody wants to install a direct mount hanger. Asked Airwolf about, but they only had normal hanger. The hanger looked really similar to Specialized discs model. I bought a specialized direct mount hanger, exactly same dimensions and works perfectly.

Is this the one? https://a.aliexpress.com/_EvPJ3Q9
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on February 28, 2024, 01:22:33 AM
Is this the one? https://a.aliexpress.com/_EvPJ3Q9

Yes, was not exactly that one, but must be compatible.
AFAIK Specialized has the same hanger for all the latest disc frames.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on March 03, 2024, 05:04:05 AM
I have ordered a YFR068 today, will make a build thread when everything arrives.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 03, 2024, 05:16:01 AM
I have ordered a YFR068 today, will make a build thread when everything arrives.


Awesome, you won’t regret!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Exar on March 04, 2024, 08:44:27 AM
Did my first ride on it yesterday (only an hour because I'm recovering from an accident):

-It's stable - not in annoying way, but definiteley not nervous like a Giant TCX or the Factor O2 it replaced
-It clears 45mm tires (when using a GRX Di2 front derailleur) but only just. With a 21mm internal rim these tires (Schwalbe G One RS) are quite voluminous. I'm afraid I'll have to size down or dremel down...
-It's quick enough (or I am), averaged 33 kph
-The slipping seat post as someone mentioned is also a problem for me, I thought i'd have done it up tight already but it still slipped about 1.5cm during the ride.

All in all I really like it, can't wait to go out on an actual gravel ride with it now!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 05, 2024, 02:28:31 AM
Did my first ride on it yesterday (only an hour because I'm recovering from an accident):

-It's stable - not in annoying way, but definiteley not nervous like a Giant TCX or the Factor O2 it replaced
-It clears 45mm tires (when using a GRX Di2 front derailleur) but only just. With a 21mm internal rim these tires (Schwalbe G One RS) are quite voluminous. I'm afraid I'll have to size down or dremel down...
-It's quick enough (or I am), averaged 33 kph
-The slipping seat post as someone mentioned is also a problem for me, I thought i'd have done it up tight already but it still slipped about 1.5cm during the ride.

All in all I really like it, can't wait to go out on an actual gravel ride with it now!

Can you share a picture of your ride?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on March 05, 2024, 08:42:24 AM
Play came back in the headset, really noticeable when pushing the brake and wiggling the bike front to back. Anyone has an idea what could cause it? :s
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on March 05, 2024, 12:21:36 PM
Someone might have mentioned earlier - apologies if so...

But what is the max chainring that can be run on the front? Thinking to go with GX AXS wide range cassette and run a 44, maybe 46 up front.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 05, 2024, 01:25:15 PM
Someone might have mentioned earlier - apologies if so...

But what is the max chainring that can be run on the front? Thinking to go with GX AXS wide range cassette and run a 44, maybe 46 up front.

I was running a mullet setup initially, 10-50 SRAM Eagle GX AXS in the back + 42t SRAM Force AXS crankset. Changed it to SRAM Force XPLR AXS 10-44 + 44t SRAM Force AXS crankset.

44t on a regular Force road crankset works without a problem but is very tight. I did try to fit a 46t, but scratched up the chainstays while trying  >:( so consider that as a no. A DUB road wide crankset might give some more room.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on March 05, 2024, 02:58:33 PM
Play came back in the headset, really noticeable when pushing the brake and wiggling the bike front to back. Anyone has an idea what could cause it? :s

--> Do not overtighten the expander in the fork. It pushes the top part up. (That was the issue)
I always tighten those very hard but here the expander didn't really like it. Fixed.
Quoted myself in case someone runs in this issue.

Besides that this frame rides like a dream.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on March 05, 2024, 05:08:13 PM
I was running a mullet setup initially, 10-50 SRAM Eagle GX AXS in the back + 42t SRAM Force AXS crankset. Changed it to SRAM Force XPLR AXS 10-44 + 44t SRAM Force AXS crankset.

Interesting - what has made you switch away from the mullet setup? That's exactly the route I am thinking to go. And thanks for confirming 44T up front is max.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 06, 2024, 01:55:22 AM
Interesting - what has made you switch away from the mullet setup? That's exactly the route I am thinking to go. And thanks for confirming 44T up front is max.

For the region where I live, the range a mullet setup offers is totally overkill (the Netherlands). Even when I ride gravel it's totally flat, maybe a little bump here and there.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: gf on March 06, 2024, 09:18:07 AM
Someone has this frame but from Spcycle in t47 bb option? Do they really deliver with t47? All other brand have same fasme only with press fit.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on March 06, 2024, 12:37:15 PM
Okay, I need some help. I know the BB on the frame is BBright. If I order DUB compatible BBright bottom bracket, can I run a crankset like this one? Sorry if this seems ameteur, I get overwhelmed by BB/crankset options and different standards. I plan to upgrade the chainring with a 44T one.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-rival-axs-1x-12-speed-power-meter-crankset

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 06, 2024, 01:13:52 PM
Okay, I need some help. I know the BB on the frame is BBright. If I order DUB compatible BBright bottom bracket, can I run a crankset like this one? Sorry if this seems ameteur, I get overwhelmed by BB/crankset options and different standards. I plan to upgrade the chainring with a 44T one.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-rival-axs-1x-12-speed-power-meter-crankset

Just get a BBRight DUB bottom bracket and you should be fine, any DUB specific crankset will fit. BB is provided with spacers and a preloader is installed on the crankset. The latter will help you to remove play and to make it fit properly.

SRAM offers plenty of detailed installation guides online, look it up and you'll find out.


Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on March 11, 2024, 05:51:09 AM
How long did Airwolf take to ship your orders? Its been a week and they said its instock. Didn't ask for any paint.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: TidyDinosaur on March 11, 2024, 08:10:23 AM
How long did Airwolf take to ship your orders? Its been a week and they said its instock. Didn't ask for any paint.
"In stock" often means: "We have a bare frame in your size somewhere" I think. 
So chances are they still have to paint it before they can send it.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on March 11, 2024, 11:05:51 AM
"In stock" often means: "We have a bare frame in your size somewhere" I think. 
So chances are they still have to paint it before they can send it.
I asked for a bare frame as I'm painting it myself. I guess I was spoiled by elitewheels delivery in 8 days. The wait continues...
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on March 20, 2024, 12:10:21 PM
Not a good start, I requested a raw carbon unpainted frame and they sent me a frame covered in white primer.

The steerer tube is very questionable with some quite deep gouges in the carbon, its probably strong though. Probably... Curios to see what you guys think.

The Ryet Blank Inc. clone is not compatible, there is no way to feed the hoses through, my fault that one. Hopefully no return issues.

Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on March 25, 2024, 12:46:31 PM
can anyone comment if the frame brake mounts are setup for 140 or 160mm rotors by default? I've ordered 160mm rotors and need to know if I need to get my hands on some adapters.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 25, 2024, 02:27:01 PM
can anyone comment if the frame brake mounts are setup for 140 or 160mm rotors by default? I've ordered 160mm rotors and need to know if I need to get my hands on some adapters.

I'm running 160mm rotors with SRAM Force, no adapters needed.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: chineesje on March 26, 2024, 01:52:38 PM
How did you guys find the balance between over- and under tightening the headset. I seem to have headsetplay but when I tighten it to the point where the play is gone, my steerer isn't moving freely anymore and makes a scratching sound when turning it. I just can't seem to find the sweet spot.

Any tips would be appreciated  :D
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: electrolux on March 26, 2024, 10:55:37 PM
So after a few days of arguing Airwolf have agreed on a $50 refund and a new fork.

They are asking me to pay an extra 0.1Usd to create a new order.

Any ideas whether I should do this? Reading online it seems fine as I have received the original order.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on March 27, 2024, 03:24:51 AM
I'm running 160mm rotors with SRAM Force, no adapters needed.

At least on my frame, it is a 140 rotor if you install a Shimano GRX brake caliper directly without adapter.
I would need to install a adapter to the GRX caliper in order to use 160 rotor.
Don´t know if Force and GRX calipers are different.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on March 27, 2024, 04:57:43 AM
So after a few days of arguing Airwolf have agreed on a $50 refund and a new fork.

They are asking me to pay an extra 0.1Usd to create a new order.

Any ideas whether I should do this? Reading online it seems fine as I have received the original order.

Sweet deal, why would you not do it for 0.1USD? Assuming they will cover the shipping costs?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on March 27, 2024, 03:38:21 PM
I'm running 160mm rotors with SRAM Force, no adapters needed.

I'm running SRAM Force as well, so this is perfect. Thanks
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on March 28, 2024, 02:57:02 AM
How did you guys find the balance between over- and under tightening the headset. I seem to have headsetplay but when I tighten it to the point where the play is gone, my steerer isn't moving freely anymore and makes a scratching sound when turning it. I just can't seem to find the sweet spot.

Any tips would be appreciated  :D

Took me a few tries to get that sorted. Slightly overtightened and after one ride it was perfect.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Emraize on April 06, 2024, 02:17:15 PM
Also dealing with headset issues here. Have sanded the compression nut as shown in the previous posts as it has protruded slightly over the steerer and it was too difficult to get the stem mounted over the nut. Also i had to mount an additional c-ring (self made out of a spacer) on top of the compression ring of the upper headset. Initially the issues seemed to be solved but however after some riding it still seems to get slightly loose.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on April 08, 2024, 02:43:46 AM
After a lot of adjustments with the headset (couldn´t get the point on which the headset had no play but worked smoothly), top bearing on my bike was broken during a ride. Maybe due to a shim that I installed, wich applied too much load on bearing.
I replaced the headset bearings with the reference for Specialized Tarmac SL7 & SL8, 49.5x40.5x6.5. Now headset is working finally smooth and without any play.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jsiegrist on April 08, 2024, 10:20:34 AM
Do you know if that works for the top and the bottom?

After a lot of adjustments with the headset (couldn´t get the point on which the headset had no play but worked smoothly), top bearing on my bike was broken during a ride. Maybe due to a shim that I installed, wich applied too much load on bearing.
I replaced the headset bearings with the reference for Specialized Tarmac SL7 & SL8, 49.5x40.5x6.5. Now headset is working finally smooth and without any play.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on April 08, 2024, 10:45:49 AM
Do you know if that works for the top and the bottom?

Yes, both bearings are the same. I installed both new, "Black Bearing" brand, would say that quality felt much better than the ones supplied with frame.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: dhengen on April 17, 2024, 02:49:09 PM
Well my build is 90% complete. Waiting on some power meter SRAM Force cranks to finish the build. Running some loaner cranks for the time being.

Mixed feelings about this bike. The quality of the paint (see pic of example - it chipped really easily. Has happened in a few locations), issues with the headset plug (as others have noted) and misaligned brake caliper mounts were low points (normal methods for aligning brakes didn't work, needed to really play around to eliminate brake rub). Overall required excessive fiddling to get things right, in my opinion.

The bike rides well enough, but it seems noisy and the wheels I chose are probably too stiff. I can't tell if the noise is the chain/cassette combo? Open to feedback, based on my componenet selection - maybe I'm made some bad choices. Once I get final parts on it, I'll weigh it. I'm not shooting for weight weenie but I think it'll end up light as a result of all that carbon.

Here are the specs:
- SRAM Force AXS brakes and shifters
- SRAM GX AXS rear derailuer (went mullet on this build, good for where I live)
- Garabuk 10-50 cassette
- SRAM Rival cranks with 42T cassette (upgrading to SRAM Force with PM and 44T when it arrives)
- Shimano 160mm ICE-tech rotors
- SRAM GX chain (for now)
- WheelsFar Wheels. 50mm deep, 24mm internals, 30mm external width, DT350 hubs with aero Sapim spokes
- GravelKing SK 43mm tires
- 400mm handlebar and 110mm stem on 58cm frame
- Specialized Power Comp Saddle (not what's on in pic, but have since swapped it out)

Anyone else find specing and building bikes to be almost more fun than riding them?



Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on April 18, 2024, 03:23:32 AM
Anyone else find specing and building bikes to be almost more fun than riding them?

TOTALLY!  ;D Nice looking rig!
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on April 25, 2024, 05:15:16 AM
TOTALLY!  ;D Nice looking rig!

This. Lol

I have to stop doing this replacing all my bikes every year :o
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on April 28, 2024, 12:49:47 PM
I'm looking for flared drop bars that works with the d-shaped steerer tube and stem combination that comes with the YFR068 frameset. I'm curious if anyone succeeded finding one.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Emraize on April 28, 2024, 01:17:42 PM
Somehow i'm still struggling with a bit of headset play:
- the expander sits tight and flush in the steerer tube during and after headset compression
- while mounting and screwing the top cap the resistance gets suddenly pretty high at some point of compressioning. However the handle bar moves still freely to both sides. No rubbing at the frame.
- it seems to be only the upper headset causing this little play.
My suspicicon is that the compression c ring doesn't completely compresses the bearing. Or is it possible that the diameter of the steerer tube is a bit too small for the compression c ring? I'm running out of ideas now and dont know how to solve this analytical…
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on April 28, 2024, 03:41:06 PM
Somehow i'm still struggling with a bit of headset play:
- the expander sits tight and flush in the steerer tube during and after headset compression
- while mounting and screwing the top cap the resistance gets suddenly pretty high at some point of compressioning. However the handle bar moves still freely to both sides. No rubbing at the frame.
- it seems to be only the upper headset causing this little play.
My suspicicon is that the compression c ring doesn't completely compresses the bearing. Or is it possible that the diameter of the steerer tube is a bit too small for the compression c ring? I'm running out of ideas now and dont know how to solve this analytical…


Did you modified the compression C ring?
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg56128.html#msg56128
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Emraize on April 29, 2024, 12:03:36 AM

Did you modified the compression C ring?
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4109.msg56128.html#msg56128

i only modified the top of the compression plug/ expander because otherwise the stem would have been impossible to get mounted. i did not modify the c-ring (split ring) sitting on top of the bearing.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on April 29, 2024, 03:33:14 AM
I'm looking for flared drop bars that works with the d-shaped steerer tube and stem combination that comes with the YFR068 frameset. I'm curious if anyone succeeded finding one.

I installed a Syncros Creston gravel flared carbon bar, cables are internal and has a hole in the stem clamping area to drive hoses through the stem.
3T also has this type of handlebars with hole in the stem clamping area, alu and carbon versions.

Replacing stem is quite more complicated, "C" shape is propietary and only Cervelo has this type of stems. People says that can work with normal round stems, but I wouldn´t risk with that option. So, I kept the original Airwolf stem which is reasonably light.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on April 29, 2024, 03:45:40 AM
i only modified the top of the compression plug/ expander because otherwise the stem would have been impossible to get mounted. i did not modify the c-ring (split ring) sitting on top of the bearing.

This Airwolf frame has some mixed things. Some parts are the same as Cervelo (seatpost clamp, stem,....) and some others are same as Specialized (derailleur hanger, headset bearings,...).
For example, I replaced original hanger with direct mount model for specialized, so I can install GRX derailleur without the connection link.

After replacing original bearings (they´re a little bit crappy) with the ones for Specialized Tarmac SL7, I also replaced compression ring (split ring) with the Tarmac SL7 model I bought in Aliexpress. Cables and hoses guiding is better, headset adjust is now much better and has zero play.

Next step will be to replace the compression plug (the one that needs to be sanded to fit stem) with the model that J&L sells, compatible with Cervelo "C" shape fork. Part is on the way and I hope that once installed it has better grip inside the fork. Original one slips upwards if you apply more than a certain torque to the headcap.
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Emraize on April 29, 2024, 02:22:24 PM
This Airwolf frame has some mixed things. Some parts are the same as Cervelo (seatpost clamp, stem,....) and some others are same as Specialized (derailleur hanger, headset bearings,...).
For example, I replaced original hanger with direct mount model for specialized, so I can install GRX derailleur without the connection link.

After replacing original bearings (they´re a little bit crappy) with the ones for Specialized Tarmac SL7, I also replaced compression ring (split ring) with the Tarmac SL7 model I bought in Aliexpress. Cables and hoses guiding is better, headset adjust is now much better and has zero play.

Next step will be to replace the compression plug (the one that needs to be sanded to fit stem) with the model that J&L sells, compatible with Cervelo "C" shape fork. Part is on the way and I hope that once installed it has better grip inside the fork. Original one slips upwards if you apply more than a certain torque to the headcap.

thanks for your advice! i'll further try with your proposed bearings (49.5x40.5x6.5 -> SL7), compressor ring (SL7) and eventually expander (J&L).
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: Avalius on May 03, 2024, 02:24:12 AM
Had a hard gravel race here 150k and had a little play in the headset again after riding. Maybe I'll need to replace those bearings to, can get it fine on the stand and soft roads. But hard races makes play return :s
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on May 06, 2024, 07:41:20 AM
Last Saturday I put the bike to test during one of Europe's biggest gravel events, The Traka in Girona, Spain. First time for me and joined the 200km route with 2500m elevation. Bike got some serious beating and did not let me down, it's still in one piece!  ;D

https://www.thetraka.com/
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on May 07, 2024, 06:24:46 AM
Last Saturday I put the bike to test during one of Europe's biggest gravel events, The Traka in Girona, Spain. First time for me and joined the 200km route with 2500m elevation. Bike got some serious beating and did not let me down, it's still in one piece!  ;D

https://www.thetraka.com/

Nice test for the bike! I´m doing an Ultra also this summer.

A pair of questions:
- Where did you get the cover for the toptube bolts?
- Seat clamp is the original or you bought from Cervelo?
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on May 07, 2024, 07:38:25 AM
Nice test for the bike! I´m doing an Ultra also this summer.

A pair of questions:
- Where did you get the cover for the toptube bolts?
- Seat clamp is the original or you bought from Cervelo?

Nice! Which one did you sign up for?

I managed to get some original small parts from my LBS; bottle boss cover plate, Downtube and chain stay protectors. The Cervelo seat clamp does not fit, for that reason I sanded the the one that came with the frame and spay painted matte black  ;D
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: mikelmtb on May 08, 2024, 03:34:04 AM
Nice! Which one did you sign up for?

I managed to get some original small parts from my LBS; bottle boss cover plate, Downtube and chain stay protectors. The Cervelo seat clamp does not fit, for that reason I sanded the the one that came with the frame and spay painted matte black  ;D

I´m repeating Basajaun ultra gravel, did it also in 2022. 850 kms and +15.000m.  :o
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: this is dog on May 08, 2024, 02:50:06 PM
I´m repeating Basajaun ultra gravel, did it also in 2022. 850 kms and +15.000m.  :o

WOWZERS! Lets pray that your bike will stay in one piece! Please post pictures of the after math  ;D
Title: Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame
Post by: jsiegrist on May 10, 2024, 07:41:40 PM
Last Saturday I put the bike to test during one of Europe's biggest gravel events, The Traka in Girona, Spain. First time for me and joined the 200km route with 2500m elevation. Bike got some serious beating and did not let me down, it's still in one piece!  ;D

https://www.thetraka.com/

What size tires are you running?