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29er / Re: 057 build time
« on: November 23, 2016, 05:39:59 PM »and those candies i found at goodwill
Haha...that's awesome! You never know what you'll find at the Goodwill store!
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Haha...that's awesome! You never know what you'll find at the Goodwill store!
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« on: November 18, 2016, 03:34:26 PM »
When I ordered my frame on eBay...it took them two weeks to ship my frame. I got the same song and dance when I asked when they are shipping the frame. 
A lot...I would say most do not stock the frames or parts they sell. They are usually made when you order them as you will get options with whatever you may order...bottom bracket, weave, finish, etc. They also make more than just bike parts. So its possible that if they get a big order...they'll put your order aside to work on a different one. When you order from China...you need to have plenty of patience...and keep your expectations low.
What the rep should not have done it keep telling you that the frame will ship...when they are not obviously ready. They need to just give a straight answer when it'll ship.
I ordered three pairs of carbon rims from another company in October. They gave me a 7 to 12 production time and a 5 day ship time. So I wasn't expecting the rims for 3 weeks. I never got an email for a tracking number...until I asked for an update. Turns out they shipped the rims and I got them a week earlier than I expected.
You need patience when dealing with China. If you're in a hurry...you'll be in a world of frustration.
A lot...I would say most do not stock the frames or parts they sell. They are usually made when you order them as you will get options with whatever you may order...bottom bracket, weave, finish, etc. They also make more than just bike parts. So its possible that if they get a big order...they'll put your order aside to work on a different one. When you order from China...you need to have plenty of patience...and keep your expectations low.
What the rep should not have done it keep telling you that the frame will ship...when they are not obviously ready. They need to just give a straight answer when it'll ship.
I ordered three pairs of carbon rims from another company in October. They gave me a 7 to 12 production time and a 5 day ship time. So I wasn't expecting the rims for 3 weeks. I never got an email for a tracking number...until I asked for an update. Turns out they shipped the rims and I got them a week earlier than I expected.
You need patience when dealing with China. If you're in a hurry...you'll be in a world of frustration.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-108 Full suspension 29er
« on: November 15, 2016, 05:43:16 PM »What travel fork and shock size are you running? On Yishun's site it says that the HTA is 68 degrees with a 120mm fork. I think that is a bit too slack for me. I'd want something around 69 or 70 degrees.190x51 shock and 100mm fork. And yes a i said slack HTA is something you can like or dislike.
About shock size, the new wheeler falcon (very similar frame) uses a 184x48 shock with 100mm fork and 190x51 with 120mm fork which gives 100mm rear travel instead of 110, lower bike, slacker head angle so probably a safest position for downhill if you stay with a 100mm front fork?
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I would the 100mm fork on my 062. That should bring the HA to about 69 deg.
I have Banshee Spitfire with a 66 HA ...so I want the 108 to me more XC oriented.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-108 Full suspension 29er
« on: November 14, 2016, 07:15:10 PM »So about the Yishun LCFS902 (or Workswell WCB-M-108), i checked my bb height at 325mm with 100mm fork and 2,2 tyres, static measurement without SAG. As i said previously no problem of pedal strike in this configuration.
Here is what 19" frame looks like :
What travel fork and shock size are you running? On Yishun's site it says that the HTA is 68 degrees with a 120mm fork. I think that is a bit too slack for me. I'd want something around 69 or 70 degrees.
Thats a great looking bike.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-108 Full suspension 29er
« on: November 14, 2016, 04:01:42 PM »Workswell is doing a pretty bad job recently.
First someone from the company presented her/himself, but without real interaction.
And then poor communication on some recent issues.
If someone really like the models, they could use Sobato bikes instead, may be the same company after all, but under the relative protection of Aliexpress.
This is a big bummer since I have been pretty happy with my 062...and the 108 so far has been the only open mold suspension frame that I actually like.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« on: November 01, 2016, 03:31:01 PM »
Is WW going to replace your frame? There is no way I'd be willing to ride a broken frame to see it it would break more. What if the frame does break more and I somehow get hurt?
They should take the frame back and test themselves.
They should take the frame back and test themselves.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« on: October 25, 2016, 03:27:30 PM »
Hopefully WW takes care of you. If they drag their feet...it'll be a strike on their part. No bike manufacturer has a 100% track record. It comes down to how they take care of you when an issue comes around.
I checked mine and no cracks. I did have a "tick" that took me months to find. Initially I did think it was a crack in the seat tube. It ended up to be my seat clamp. Turned it around and the ticking went away.
I checked mine and no cracks. I did have a "tick" that took me months to find. Initially I did think it was a crack in the seat tube. It ended up to be my seat clamp. Turned it around and the ticking went away.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« on: October 20, 2016, 11:35:04 PM »
Wow...bummer. Stress from the seat tube/seat post?
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29er / Re: 11sp cassette/RD compatibility question
« on: October 07, 2016, 03:13:08 AM »
The only SRAM cassette that will work with the Wolf Tooth 49T is the NX that uses a standard Shimano hub body.
Wolf Tooth and OneUp both have third party derailleur add ons to go above 42T.
http://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/derailleur-optimization/products/goatlink-11
http://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/products/products/50t-shark-sprocket-18t-1x11
Wolf Tooth and OneUp both have third party derailleur add ons to go above 42T.
http://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/derailleur-optimization/products/goatlink-11
http://www.oneupcomponents.com/collections/products/products/50t-shark-sprocket-18t-1x11
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29er / Re: Scott Scale frame vs Chinese frame
« on: September 13, 2016, 01:18:26 PM »
Check the 057 also. I think that may be based on a Scale also.
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Component Deals & Selection / Re: What is Deore XT to SRAM equivalent?
« on: September 09, 2016, 05:38:49 PM »
It becomes a bit more confusing when it comes to pricing. The SRAM rear derailleurs cost more on average than Shimano. The X1 and GX rear derailleurs cost more than XT. The X1 around 100 more than XT. Same with the cassettes. All the XD cassettes cost more than the XT. The GX shifter costs a bit less than XT. X1 is roughly the same cost as XT.
The way I look at it is if you go Shimano, buy the complete group. If you go SRAM piece it together to get the best cost to performance.
If I was to put together a "working mans" SRAM group:
Shifter: X01 or X1 if on a tighter budget
Derailleur: GX
Crank: GX (with the removable spider) or X01 (to help with weight)
Cassette: SRAM 1150
Chain: X1
I recently put together a Banshee Spitfire and cobbled together my SRAM 11 speed kit from free, used, and new parts.
Shifter: X01, new ($90)
Derailleur: X1, new from friend ($100)
Crank: XX1, used ($150)
Cassette: XX1, used ($0)
Chain: X1, new ($20)
My GF's bike has a full GX group and it all works together pretty darn well. It felt better than the XT and XTR bikes I demo'd before she got her 6Fattie. The Shimano shifters felt real tight compared to the SRAM.
The way I look at it is if you go Shimano, buy the complete group. If you go SRAM piece it together to get the best cost to performance.
If I was to put together a "working mans" SRAM group:
Shifter: X01 or X1 if on a tighter budget
Derailleur: GX
Crank: GX (with the removable spider) or X01 (to help with weight)
Cassette: SRAM 1150
Chain: X1
I recently put together a Banshee Spitfire and cobbled together my SRAM 11 speed kit from free, used, and new parts.
Shifter: X01, new ($90)
Derailleur: X1, new from friend ($100)
Crank: XX1, used ($150)
Cassette: XX1, used ($0)
Chain: X1, new ($20)
My GF's bike has a full GX group and it all works together pretty darn well. It felt better than the XT and XTR bikes I demo'd before she got her 6Fattie. The Shimano shifters felt real tight compared to the SRAM.
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Component Deals & Selection / Re: Broken Chiner handlebar with photos--DANGER!
« on: August 30, 2016, 09:30:30 PM »
The thing with no brand carbon handlebars vs something like a frame or wheels...is if the bar fails...its usually catastrophic and you're going down. If a frame or wheels fails...unless it completely collapses...you'll typically still be able to ride it out.
If you hurt yourself with a Chiner bar...there is zero liability with the seller. At least if you use a known brand...there is someone to contact if you have an issue with the bar. I know a guy that busted his Race Face SIXC bar in a crash. He contacted RF and they hooked him up with a new bar.
I have a 062 and a China carbon saddle. My bars are from Enve from an actual shop in California. China no brand carbon handlebars are not something I'm willing to roll the dice with.
If you hurt yourself with a Chiner bar...there is zero liability with the seller. At least if you use a known brand...there is someone to contact if you have an issue with the bar. I know a guy that busted his Race Face SIXC bar in a crash. He contacted RF and they hooked him up with a new bar.
I have a 062 and a China carbon saddle. My bars are from Enve from an actual shop in California. China no brand carbon handlebars are not something I'm willing to roll the dice with.
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Component Deals & Selection / Re: What kind of BB?
« on: August 30, 2016, 09:19:46 PM »
It might come down to what crank you might want to run. If you're looking at something like a lightweight Cannondale SL or Specialized crank...then BB/PF 30 will be your only choice. The PF30 frames will also be slightly lighter.
With that said...all my bikes have been BSA...including the Banshee I just picked up. I go with BSA since its the easiest to install. The BB tool only cost me 10 bucks. If I ever need to replace it...it's a 20 min job with no special tools...just my 10 dollar wrench.
With that said...all my bikes have been BSA...including the Banshee I just picked up. I go with BSA since its the easiest to install. The BB tool only cost me 10 bucks. If I ever need to replace it...it's a 20 min job with no special tools...just my 10 dollar wrench.
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29er / Re: cs-057 vs wellworks m-062
« on: August 30, 2016, 09:10:47 PM »bike is being built for my 5ft 85 lb. son for the upcoming high school race season. both frames looked pretty similar. so I've gotten pricing back from both carbon speed and well works for the frame, seatpost, bar and wheelset and the workswell bid was a few hundred less. I mentioned this to peter and he laughed it off and said that he doesn't "offer cheap price frames". I asked him to explain the differences and got crickets. So, what's the word out there from folks that have actually seen these bikes. Is carbon speed's offerings better than workswell? any thoughts would be appreciated. I'd like to pull the trigger on this tonight if possible.
I have a 062 and there are also many other members with the frame. I've been riding mine since May 2015 and no problems. So far...I have yet to read of any real issues with the 062. Peter says he offers better frames...but how are they better? I don't think I've seen any proof that. Are they cosmetically better...structurally better?
I emailed him for a quote before and his price was a couple hundred more than the rest.
I've read that his service is better than the rest if you need a question answered.
I honestly don't think the 062 gives anything up to the 057. It'll come down to which geometry you prefer.
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29er / Re: Workswell WCB-M-062
« on: August 16, 2016, 02:53:49 PM »I'll jump in as well and also new. I'm looking at the Workswell WCB-M-062, the CS-057 and the FR202. This last week I cracked my old 2009 Gary Fisher X-Cal 29er at the top of the seat tube. I'm hoping that I can find a frame that will accept most of my components. Does the 062 accept 2.4" tires? I just bought a Goma for up front and Saguaro for the rear and would hate to lose new tires if my new frame doesn't fit them well. Also, I love my Fox F80RL. I'm hoping I can convert it to a 100mm fork and if I can, I plan to use it on my next build. Any issues with using some type of adapter for this 1 1/8 fork with an 062 tapered head?
So I had time to read the thread today. As I understand it, the Workswell 062 will fit Goma's and Saguaros on 29er rims. From activ3's post, the 27.5+ tires look sweet and doable as well. I've also read today that the CS-057 might have issues with larger tires..that coupled with the price premium, has taken it off my list. As the FR202 is only 135mm and I've read some not so complimentary reviews of Flyxii's service, I'm thinking I may cross them off as well. So that leaves the Workwell. Pretty close to pulling the trigger on it, any issues with using the Fox F80RL 1 1/8 fork with it? I think I read somewhere that the G2 51mm might be more "twitchy" with less slack head angles...I'm a little concerned about that, but with my plans to eventually go plus when I can afford it, it might be better to have a bit of fast steering to it to counter the slow steering of a plus size tire. Thoughts?
I'm not sure if I would go with a twitchier fork. My GF just picked up a Stumpjumper 6Fattie (plus bike) and the steering does not feel slow at all.