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Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame Quote from: Phaxe on June 25, 2024, 02:16:30 AM Thanks! That's very interesting, and obviously different to OEM Aspero which uses two different sized bearings. This forum, and this thread, has been so useful, I'd be hitting my head against the wall if I tried to go alone with it. There are few different things between this frame and OEM Aspero: - Headset bearings and compression ring are different. Specialized ones can be fitted. - Rear wheel through axle thread on frame is different. Cervelo has a independent nut and Airwolf thread is built on the frame itself. Same construction as specialized frame. - Rear derailleur hanger is different. You can install specialized disc frames hanger. I installed a specialized direct mount hanger for the GRX Di2. - Airwolf frame lacks bottle cage threads on the downside of downtube. - Airwolf frame lacks frame protectoron on the downtube. - Airwolf doesn´t provide front brake adaptor that must be fitted if you use different position on front wheel axle (trail mixer). I don´t know if Cervelo adapter would be compatible. Rest of the frame I think that it is one to one with Aspero. June 26, 2024, 02:09:58 AM	1
Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible? road bleeds into all road bleeds into gravel bleeds into MTB. modern (bro) wisdom would say you need to clear 50C to get a really capable gravel bike (as per Dylan Johnson on YT, basically). If you want to do chunky gravel, then that's probably what you want. 30/32C Conti GP5000 tyres on a road wheelset, and 50C tyres on a gravel one. Or potentially 650b wheels with big mountain bike tyres (see Dylan Johnson's recent bike setup videos for gravel races). If you aren't going to do any "real gravel" / chunky stuff, potentially an all road bike that takes 38C may be enough, at which point you might get away running 1 wheelset only. really does depend on the riding you are ACTUALLY going to be doing. I only have good things to say about carbonspeed's Grevil clone & Peter himself (Peter is on the forum. http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639). My er9 died on it after 4 rides, but i really enjoyed it. it's very roadie, in the sense that you can go really fast on it on smooth roads. It's the same geometry exactly as the Grevil, and Pinarello do know a thing or 2 about bike geometry apparently. it takes 50C. I can also say good things about Long teng, and their newer model takes 38C (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/401.html). I have the 268, and the geometry is very similar, so it's a road bike, but "all road". I also have a VB GF02 but honestly as a road bike it's pretty awful. i bought that, then very quickly decided to buy a real road bike, hence the LT. The Grevil clone would likely be capable of both quite well. 90+% of the riding i want to do is road, i bought gravel bikes to basically realize i like road better... but that's very much a function of where you live. the US has such poor infrastructure that a lot of roads are white roads. Europe doesnt have that, unless you're in the ass of somewhere, there's asphalt. Pro tip: if 99% of your riding is going to be road, buy a road bike August 09, 2024, 11:48:48 AM	1

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Re: Airwolf YFR068 - 2023 Gravel Frame

Quote from: Phaxe on June 25, 2024, 02:16:30 AM

Thanks! That's very interesting, and obviously different to OEM Aspero which uses two different sized bearings.

This forum, and this thread, has been so useful, I'd be hitting my head against the wall if I tried to go alone with it.

There are few different things between this frame and OEM Aspero:
- Headset bearings and compression ring are different. Specialized ones can be fitted.
- Rear wheel through axle thread on frame is different. Cervelo has a independent nut and Airwolf thread is built on the frame itself. Same construction as specialized frame.
- Rear derailleur hanger is different. You can install specialized disc frames hanger. I installed a specialized direct mount hanger for the GRX Di2.
- Airwolf frame lacks bottle cage threads on the downside of downtube.
- Airwolf frame lacks frame protectoron on the downtube.
- Airwolf doesn´t provide front brake adaptor that must be fitted if you use different position on front wheel axle (trail mixer). I don´t know if Cervelo adapter would be compatible.

Rest of the frame I think that it is one to one with Aspero.
June 26, 2024, 02:09:58 AM

Re: Frame for mix road/gravel use possible? road bleeds into all road bleeds into gravel bleeds into MTB.
modern (bro) wisdom would say you need to clear 50C to get a really capable gravel bike (as per Dylan Johnson on YT, basically).
If you want to do chunky gravel, then that's probably what you want. 30/32C Conti GP5000 tyres on a road wheelset, and 50C tyres on a gravel one. Or potentially 650b wheels with big mountain bike tyres (see Dylan Johnson's recent bike setup videos for gravel races).
If you aren't going to do any "real gravel" / chunky stuff, potentially an all road bike that takes 38C may be enough, at which point you might get away running 1 wheelset only.
really does depend on the riding you are ACTUALLY going to be doing.

I only have good things to say about carbonspeed's Grevil clone & Peter himself (Peter is on the forum. http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639). My er9 died on it after 4 rides, but i really enjoyed it. it's very roadie, in the sense that you can go really fast on it on smooth roads. It's the same geometry exactly as the Grevil, and Pinarello do know a thing or 2 about bike geometry apparently. it takes 50C.

I can also say good things about Long teng, and their newer model takes 38C (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/401.html). I have the 268, and the geometry is very similar, so it's a road bike, but "all road".

I also have a VB GF02 but honestly as a road bike it's pretty awful. i bought that, then very quickly decided to buy a real road bike, hence the LT. The Grevil clone would likely be capable of both quite well. 90+% of the riding i want to do is road, i bought gravel bikes to basically realize i like road better... but that's very much a function of where you live. the US has such poor infrastructure that a lot of roads are white roads. Europe doesnt have that, unless you're in the ass of somewhere, there's asphalt.

Pro tip: if 99% of your riding is going to be road, buy a road bike

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