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Re: Yishun R1088-D Aero Road Can you please a picture of the final build? how does it ride compared to previous bikes you've ridden? What kind of riding do you do?
August 02, 2024, 03:53:48 AM
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame The original argument was that $2000 USD is egregious for an "open mold" frame. I'm on board with that...

Knowing what we know now about Tavelo (Attack and Arow) that it's not an open mold in the traditional sense, but does in fact share and license designs to other micro-brands, does any of this change the way we feel about Tavelo's prices?

I'm trying to understand what this trend in Chinese Brands moving upmarket means for Western customers. Folks will tell me that for $2000 they'd rather spend a little more and just buy a Giant TCR or Trek Emonda SL frameset. I 100% understand this from a value and warranty perspective. However, I just don't believe anyone who truly is looking to purchase a TCR/Emonda are even cross shopping those with Tavelo. Not to mention both are climbing bikes.

Another point is rising prices help offset the cost of engineering, design, and production. Is that really true? Is it just corporate greed?

I'm now four years into my cycling journey here in Chicago. And despite starting during the biggest cycling boom in recent years, I have yet to see a single Chinese branded frame out on our local roads. Not even when these frames used to cost $1200-$1500. A couple of Winspace Hyper wheels here and there and some Farsports (Wheelsfar) custom wheels. This season I helped a local crit team secure a deal on R12 team bikes from Yoeleo. But that's basically it. Essentially no one here is buying into the Chinese wave at all.

This just highlights how niche all of this stuff is. Our observable reality dictates where people actually spend their money.

Sidenote: I also think spending $5500 on a S-Works SL8 frameset is egregious. Factor Bikes sells their latest Ostro VAM frameset for the same price, but at least the frame includes handlebars, Ceramicspeed bottom bracket and bearings, and spare parts for everything. If you value those things.

August 04, 2024, 10:59:33 AM
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Re: Merida Reacto Integrated Cockpit Got myself a Scultura 9000 with the Team SL cockpit.
Great piece of Carbon.
Yet I'm fairly certain that I wouldn't have bought this as an upgrade. Maybe like of FarSport would be a great way to start.
In the past I did also made good experience with OG Evkin, some parts seems to be also available from Kocevlo for a lower price though.

August 06, 2024, 12:44:15 AM
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Re: Bross Zenith 2023
Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?

From what I understood, the version with 105 have "regular" version of the frameset, and not the plume version

August 22, 2024, 04:21:11 AM
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Re: Bross Zenith 2023
Wait.. So it's cheaper to buy it with Shimano 105 12s and wheels, than getting just the frame set?

The frame is Zenith PLUME but only Zenith with the groupset.

August 22, 2024, 04:47:17 AM
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Re: Bross Zenith 2023
Ah. Thank you guys.

So the Plume version is a bit lighter (and stiffer?)?

Yes, lighter and stiffer.

August 22, 2024, 02:28:58 PM
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
Very different things. Just cause you don't want to give up resale value from the start, does not mean that you are affraid to ride it..

Agreed. Also, not everybody is hard core cyclist. I have two friends, both engineers, who are thinking about buying a Chinese bike and they take into consideration the spec sheet with resale value in mind. 1. It's option value, and 2. They're unsure they will fall in love with cycling (road cycling is hard at the end of day) and so they want to know if they can resell stuff if they don't get hooked on the sport.

September 11, 2024, 02:36:26 AM
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame It also matters if you like to change bikes often. At least that's what I do. Take apart everything, move groupset and wheels to another frame and sell the old frameset.

September 12, 2024, 01:45:53 AM
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Re: Elitewheels Edge wheelset
That is more a GP5000 thing, than the wheel. I'm not sure if I'm getting weaker over the years but those tires are just a pain to get on!

I changed my 32C rear tyre the other day, gp5000, because it was dying. I hated life for way too long. And broke 4 tyre levers in the process. Good thing I very rarely puncture.
Although to be fair, maybe I'm getting old too :p

September 13, 2024, 02:32:48 AM
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
What did you end up paying for the total build?

Long story short, got hit by a car during a training ride which broke my old bike in 2. The wheels and group set are still ok.
 
Frame + handlebars: $1880
Incolor Skypivot crankset, 24mm titanium spindle + spider: $510
Cybrei 54/38 chainrings: $150
Dura ace Shimano BB: $30
Supacaz handlebar tape: $35

Already have the wheelset and Shimano Ultegra DI2 from my crashed bike.

September 13, 2024, 03:26:22 AM
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