Author Topic: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+  (Read 46266 times)

northup

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #105 on: July 18, 2020, 08:22:30 AM »
Interesting. Based on what you're saying though, I'm not surprised that bolt snapped. I wonder if you could find a stronger bolt to work with, or have some custom spacers turned that work like the torque caps in the rockshox forks. I picked up a used 185x55 because I'm not confident that my 205x57.5, seems like the trunnion is the way to go. Still waiting on mine to ship, they asked for an extension because it'll be the first XL size... I'm excited, and nervous, but mostly excited :)

GuitsBoy

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #106 on: July 18, 2020, 09:06:43 AM »
They contacted me and said the bolt shouldnt have snapped, and that its a strong part.  They will be sending me TWO replacement bolts.  Cool of them, but I dont trust them to hold any better.   I realize that its just too long of a span to support with that bolt.  In my opinion, the fix is to use a proper 8x54 shock mount hardware, that way the strong tube spans the whole 54mm width.   I could drill (or ream) the tube out from 8mm to 10mm and it would still be relatively strong, and I would be able to use the replacement bolt.  But honestly, I think the strongest configuration is what Ive already got now.  I just need to dress it up with a clean looking button head sex bolt.  Wow, that sounds dirty.

Another option I thought of, other than fabricating those adapters out of chainring bolts, is to simply replace the pressed in bearings with ones with an 8mm inner race.  Then you could use the 8mm bolt directly without any sort of adapter.  That would be clean.  I'm currently using 5/16 washers, and they are a perfect tight fit, acting as a dust shield.  Maybe Ill pick some up in black oxide, or maybe ill just paint them.

All in all, I think I'll consider what Ive done to be an upgrade / mod and leave it in place, rather than risk what could be a catastrophic failure.  If anyone wants to play it safe, I would certainly suggest going with  the trunnion shock given the choice.  But if you already have a standard shock you want to use, dont shy away from the frame just because of this issue.   Modding it to use 8x54 hardware is trivially easy to do.



northup

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #107 on: July 18, 2020, 06:19:17 PM »
With all the reaming and sex bolting I don't know how you have energy left to ride  ;D

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #108 on: July 18, 2020, 07:39:55 PM »
With all the reaming and sex bolting I don't know how you have energy left to ride  ;D

I've never heard of a sex bolt before this conversation, is any relation to Usan?

GuitsBoy

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #109 on: July 18, 2020, 10:18:54 PM »
With all the reaming and sex bolting I don't know how you have energy left to ride  ;D

Ahh yes, It's a gift.

I've never heard of a sex bolt before this conversation, is any relation to Usan?

I honestly cant figure out what the real name is for this bolt, but Ive heard them referred to as sex bolts in the past, so I keep using that.  I'm sure youre familiar with it.  The female half has a button head, smooth 8mm shaft with a m6 threaded bore.  And the other side is a more standard m6 button head cap screw.  The male side screws into the female side.

And now to take an ice cold shower....

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #110 on: July 19, 2020, 12:10:55 AM »



I've never heard of a sex bolt before this conversation, is any relation to Usan?

I honestly cant figure out what the real name is for this bolt, but Ive heard them referred to as sex bolts in the past, so I keep using that.  I'm sure youre familiar with it.  The female half has a button head, smooth 8mm shaft with a m6 threaded bore.  And the other side is a more standard m6 button head cap screw.  The male side screws into the female side.

And now to take an ice cold shower....

It would appear google agrees with you.  I have seen them, and used them , but never had to order them so was unfamiliar with their name.  https://www.google.com/search?q=sex+bolts&rlz=1C1GCEB_enAU847AU847&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidvtmjxtjqAhUPyzgGHcbXCC8Q_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1920&bih=937

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #111 on: August 02, 2020, 02:09:03 AM »
It would be nice if there was some way of getting in touch with S***T from the UK that left the review on this page and let him know that Seraph have a new rear triangle.  I wonder when he ordered the frame?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000405521351.html?spm=a2g01.12616982.tplist001.214.3c11601cazw3cT&gps-id=5950812&scm=1007.23961.125497.0&scm_id=1007.23961.125497.0&scm-url=1007.23961.125497.0&pvid=a4c1897d-6e43-4f36-a050-9ce8eafea6cc

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #112 on: August 10, 2020, 06:10:20 PM »
Guitsboy, can you take a photo looking down at the chainline from the front with the chain in your big cog. The review here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32890086557.html?spm=a2g0o.store_home.productList_1025045650.subject_2 is saying that he is having trouble keeping on the cassette, hard to be sure given the broken english.  The pic looks like the chainring is a long way out from the frame.  Do you have any issues with running through all of the gears?

Thanks


GuitsBoy

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #113 on: August 10, 2020, 06:45:59 PM »
I didnt find the chainline to be particularly bad with this frame.  I dont have issues keeping the chain in teh big cog, though i dont use teh granny gear all that much.  I had just a touch of ghost shifting that I finally ironed out.  It was partly due to loose pivots, partly due to b-limit, partly due to barrell adjuster, partly due to cassette break in, etc.  A few more miles and things seem  to be holding much better.  I will say, the second to biggest gear seems to be a touch noisy, but doesnt jump out of gear at all.  Ill try to grab a pic, but for the most part, I dont find chainline to be an issue at all.

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #114 on: August 10, 2020, 09:55:04 PM »
Thanks mate, not sure why that pic didn't post but here it is again, I hope.

Also, did you get the boost version or non-boost version? I need wheels but have a non boost fork already that I could use.  I am wondering if it is only the rear triangle that is different, sharing a common BB width, and that is his problem.

« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 02:54:18 AM by emu26 »

GuitsBoy

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2020, 04:00:03 PM »
BB shell width is 92mm, spot on.  Boost or not, the BB shell should be the same.  The chainring offset should match the rear spacing.  For Sram its 3mm inboard offset for boost, or 6mm offset for 12x142.  For what its worth, I do have boost.  The chainline is certainly a sharp angle, but I wouldn't call it any worse than any other bike Ive owned.

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2020, 05:51:39 PM »
Cheers mate, thanks for that.

northup

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #117 on: August 12, 2020, 08:10:33 AM »
Guits, did you keep a list of the bearings you replaced or re-seated? I'm considering just buying a handful of frame bearings either to swap out immediately, or to have on hand in case I see some issue with the stock ones. I'm assuming they're pretty cheap..

emu26

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2020, 11:25:27 PM »
Have you tried running it with a 6mm offset ring to improve the chainline?

skelt

Re: TanTan FM10 29/27.5+
« Reply #119 on: August 17, 2020, 12:26:26 PM »
It would be nice if there was some way of getting in touch with S***T from the UK that left the review on this page and let him know that Seraph have a new rear triangle.  I wonder when he ordered the frame?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000405521351.html?spm=a2g01.12616982.tplist001.214.3c11601cazw3cT&gps-id=5950812&scm=1007.23961.125497.0&scm_id=1007.23961.125497.0&scm-url=1007.23961.125497.0&pvid=a4c1897d-6e43-4f36-a050-9ce8eafea6cc

Hi! I just found this site.

Yeah i'm having some teething problems with the frame.  Like one of the posts above my front bolt for the rear shock also snapped! Doesn't fill you with confidence that the carbon itself is solid, but it appears to be....i hope.

I've ordered a titanium m10x80 bolt and nut, 3mm spacers, a rubber o-ring and washer from ebay.  Also ordered 10x50 mounting kit from: https://www.tftuned.com/tf-tuned-mount-kit-127mm-m10/p2938

I also had to hand make a aluminium adapter and drill the holes in the correct location to stop the frame rubbing.

Fingers crossed that'll be it!

Edit: i ordered the frame on the 5th of march 2020
« Last Edit: August 17, 2020, 12:49:20 PM by skelt »