Author Topic: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame  (Read 55688 times)

Adilka

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #180 on: September 02, 2022, 04:12:19 AM »
I'm happy with Cane Creek DBAir CS on my 1002. In case some one is interested - decided to sell my Fox DPX2

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #181 on: September 13, 2022, 03:48:46 PM »
I took my FM1002 out to a large lift service bike park for 6 hours of solid riding. Did a little less than 15000ft (~4.5 km) of vertical/elevation. It was my first time at a life service bike park and it was absolutely amazing.

The frame felt perfectly at home on both the flowy and technical downhill trails. I did end up making quite a few adjustments over the day and I got a really good feel for the bike. Halfway through the day, all the adjustments left me with a completely dialed bike. My own skill was the only limiting factor.

Got lots of compliments on the frame as well, which is always nice.

If I could build it again:
- I wish I had 35mm carbon bars instead of 31.8mm bars. My bars would flex a lot, way before my fork would flex. Glad I didn't get alloy bars. I keep hearing good things about OneUp bars.
- I do see how a 38mm stanchion fork would feel stiffer and more planted on the downhill but, the 170mm Lyrik Ultimate still plows over anything and performs extremely well. People with the 38 forks seems to have a more plush experience
- I also need bigger grips, the PNW grips are too skimpy.
- I wish I had clipless platform pedals, like the Crankbrothers Mallet E
- The DPX2 Rear shock is great, but I am curious if a Cane Creek DBAir CS would have better small bump compliance


On the negative side,
- The paint isn't holding up nearly as wells as my FM936's paint. It looks like the grey primer and orange color paint didn't fuse very well. Some spots are better than others. In the end, painting is highly skill dependent and I shouldn't expect more the for the price.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2022, 03:23:41 PM by casual_build »

FullCarbonAlchemist

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2022, 12:08:00 AM »
DPX2 is definitely a harsh shock; I’ve tried almost everything out there and it’s one of the worst on that score. DBair would be an upgrade but IMHO you’d be hard pressed to beat out a DVO Topaz, particularly a Topaz Gen 3 with one of their $100 custom tunes, for that magic combo of support and small bump performance.

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2022, 02:39:06 PM »
DPX2 is definitely a harsh shock; I’ve tried almost everything out there and it’s one of the worst on that score. DBair would be an upgrade but IMHO you’d be hard pressed to beat out a DVO Topaz, particularly a Topaz Gen 3 with one of their $100 custom tunes, for that magic combo of support and small bump performance.

Yeah the small bump compliance on the DPX2 is bad. Honestly the lyrik's small bump performance isn't very good either. Still, both are very supportive, big-medium drops feel plush while bumpy green trails feel shaky.

If I was going to fix the small bump compliance I would probably swap out both the front and rear shocks.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2022, 05:51:48 PM by casual_build »

Medico

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2022, 02:55:18 PM »
Yeah the small bump compliance on the DPX2 is bad. Honestly the lyrik's small bump performance isn't very good either. Still both a very supportive, big drops feel plush while bumpy green trails feel shakey.

If I was going to fix the small bump compliance I would probably swap out both the front and rear shocks.

According to serveral reviews the lyric should be fine for small bump compliance, but needs some tweaking. Adding some tokens and lowering pressure can help with small bump, but could also make the fork more progressive.
Not tried myself, because havent't got the yet nor the fork.

Good luck.

Ps alternatives with excellent small bumb: the new fox 36 and offcource dvo diamond or onyx

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2022, 03:55:11 PM »
According to serveral reviews the lyric should be fine for small bump compliance, but needs some tweaking. Adding some tokens and lowering pressure can help with small bump, but could also make the fork more progressive.
Not tried myself, because havent't got the yet nor the fork.

Good luck.

Ps alternatives with excellent small bumb: the new fox 36 and offcource dvo diamond or onyx

You're right. It's a really great fork and the small bump compliance is better than my fox 34. I definitely should do more adjustments to make it more plush.

The riders I've talked to who have made the switch to a Zeb or Fox 38 say that it is noticeably more plush. If I was going make my rear suspension more plush with a DBair, I would probably want to upgrade the front as well to give the bike a more balanced, plush all around, feel.

Here is a review that also takes issue with the small bump compliance:
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/components/forks/suspension-forks/2023-rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-review/
« Last Edit: September 14, 2022, 04:00:38 PM by casual_build »

Medico

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2022, 04:14:22 PM »
You're right. It's a really great fork and the small bump compliance is better than my fox 34. I definitely should do more adjustments to make it more plush.

The riders I've talked to who have made the switch to a Zeb or Fox 38 say that it is noticeably more plush. If I was going make my rear suspension more plush with a DBair, I would probably want to upgrade the front as well to give the bike a more balanced, plush all around, feel.

Here is a review that also takes issue with the small bump compliance:
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/components/forks/suspension-forks/2023-rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-review/

I tought you were revering to the 2021 or 2022 editions, they're said to be more supple. The 2023 is with an new damper .. you can also think about luftkaffe ea.

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2022, 04:23:29 PM »
You're right, I have the 2021 Ultimate,

There are still reviews that mention less small much compliance. I think it depends where you are coming from. Riding a top end fork with a thicker stanchion seems to generally have better small bump compliance than top end forks with thinner stanchions.

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-2021-review/

At the bike park, I found myself avoiding green trials since larger bumps felt better. Until the bike park, I thought it was the most supple fork ever.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2022, 04:28:15 PM by casual_build »

Swolie74

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #188 on: September 16, 2022, 03:35:48 PM »
How is the climbing ability on this frame? I keep going back and forth over what direction I should go, 909 for xc and use my overforked 936 as a trail bike, 1001, 1002... everything around me is technical climbing and my skills....well I have no skills, so I need all the help I can get.

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #189 on: September 20, 2022, 12:27:47 PM »
Very capable and efficient climber in a low gear. Better at clearing technical sections than my FM936 by a wide margin. Not as fast on the ups and a lot heavier. my FM936 is 26lb this one is about 31lb

endo.alley

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #190 on: September 20, 2022, 02:07:36 PM »
I just spent the better part of a week on my new build in Moab Utah. The bike (and I) survived lots of drops on a couple of trips to the Whole Enchilada trail system.

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #191 on: September 20, 2022, 07:18:33 PM »
I crashed my FM1002 on Rainmaker at Trestle Bike park. My fault, not the bikes. The bike is okay, just more lost paint (its crazy flakey), but my pinky is broken and needs surgery  :'(

casual_build

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #192 on: September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PM »
Does anyone else have chain damage like this? Looks like its about to eat into the carbon. What should I do?

Sorry for the dirty bike.

Swolie74

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #193 on: September 21, 2022, 04:39:10 PM »
Does anyone else have chain damage like this? Looks like its about to eat into the carbon. What should I do?

Kydex!

FullCarbonAlchemist

Re: FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame
« Reply #194 on: September 21, 2022, 07:38:23 PM »
Does anyone else have chain damage like this? Looks like its about to eat into the carbon. What should I do?

Sorry for the dirty bike.

Nope, nothing like that and I’ve put 550 extremely rough miles on it so far…have you tried VHS Tape on your chainstay? That’s what I use and the big shock absorbing bumps are tall enough that it stops chain slap far enough away from the stay so the chain hasn’t touched that area.

Just also out of curiosity, what size chainring are you running?