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Carbon_Dude

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New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame (CS-496)
« on: May 09, 2016, 06:17:29 AM »
Peter is calling this one the CS-496.  Looks nice.  If this were available a few weeks ago, I may have decided to build a bike with this frame instead of buying the Trek that I have.

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 06:44:44 AM »
This frame looks to be either the same or similar to what LaMere Cycles is selling in the US.  http://www.lamerecycles.com/#!blank/io4sk  So here is a picture of what the frame might look like built up to a complete bike.


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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 07:19:32 AM »
Does it take standard width hubs and BB?  Don't see anything on the pic, but the LaMere frame says "Boost" on it.

What I'd really like to know is where to get a copy of the book that it was scanned from:)

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 09:16:12 AM »
I would guess it has Boost 148 dropouts.  Bottom bracket spec says BB92, I would like to see a BSA option but BB92 is the only one listed.
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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 09:41:25 AM »
Thats a good one. Thanks for posting. Did you get a price?   

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 01:16:05 AM »
Interesting. Where did you find it? It's not listed on the xmcarbonspeed page.
Do you know how it is different from the workswell frame, the one you were looking at before buying the stache?

[edit]: Workswell and CS compared in a nutshell:
  • CS seat tube a lot longer
  • CS much less stack, lower in total
  • CS a little longer wheelbase, although...
  • CS Chainstays 20mm shorter (more like the stache)
  • CS ST angle steeper, and HT angle less steep
  • CS a little more expensive

What effects do these differences in geometry have in handling, especially the reduced stack?

Jens
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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 06:17:46 AM »
Peter sent me the picture of the frame to post on ChinerTown and I found the built up frame that seems to match on the Lamere cycles website.  I guess he will be updating his website soon to add the new frame.

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 07:00:49 AM »
Thanks!
I read your thread about why you decided against the workswell built (and for the original Stache). For which reasons you would chose the CS Frame over the WW frame now?
The different stacks seem to depend on the kind of fork you install, the WW rigid fork is about 35mm lower than the suspension fork - which changes geo and angles, off course.

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 09:09:40 AM »
I might choose this frame over the WW for the following reasons:

1). I like working with Peter at CarbonSpeed, he has good communication and works hard to get his customers a good quality product.

2). Peter has more options for custom paint.  WW could not even do a metallic color.

3). I like the styling of this frame a bit more, but that's only my personal preference.

As for the geometry, I think both frames are similar to the Stache so I would guess that they ride similarly.
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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 11:14:59 AM »
That's funny, Peter sent me a geometry picture that exactly matched ICAN's 17" size but seems to have said he can't get the 19".

This one does look interesting-- it claims a chainstay of 425mm, but the BB92 is a big negative.

(and I've already ordered a WW, hopefully it arrives, they've gone silent).

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 02:49:31 AM »
I got quotes for WW frame, fork and wheels just yesterday, via alibaba. How did you order? Amazon, ebay, sobatobikes.com or alibaba?
I like the WW fork more, it just looks better, more hardcore, which fits the monster bike ;)
But CS has a few pros too: 32mm seatpost, fit for wider wheels, and Peter with his good reputation.

Btw. what's so bad about PF92?

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 10:17:53 AM »
I got quotes for WW frame, fork and wheels just yesterday, via alibaba. How did you order? Amazon, ebay, sobatobikes.com or alibaba?
(Bit OT here, but they finally replied with a tracking number that shows it shipped a week later than promised.)

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I like the WW fork more, it just looks better, more hardcore, which fits the monster bike ;)
But CS has a few pros too: 32mm seatpost, fit for wider wheels, and Peter with his good reputation.

Agreed with all that. I tend to be in-between sizes and this "CS" 19" frame is closer to me than the ICAN but the WW seems to be even better for me.

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Btw. what's so bad about PF92?
Main thing for me right now is no EBB available for singelspeeding. But if I were doing gears, I'd prefer BSA threaded or the bigger bearings of BB30/PF30. (Hopefully T46 catches on though...)

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 03:47:49 AM »
I´m wondering if I should buy this frame and use different wheelsizes front and rear (27.5+ rear and 29+ in rigid fork). What do you think?

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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2016, 03:59:02 AM »
I can se some changes this will give:
- Minimize rotating mass (in this sense, I should have had 27,5+ in fork too).
- Slightly slacker HT
- Get BB slightly higher in relation to 27.5+ at both ends
- Retains the shortest possible chain stays
- Will have a shorter reach and higher stack

I´m quite worried about getting the bike to heavy and especially the wheels...
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Re: New CarbonSpeed 27.5+/29+ Frame
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2016, 04:33:08 AM »
One more thing:
Does anyone know how big chainring and cassette combo is possible before the chain hits the driveside CS? I would like to go e13 9-44 and maybe a 34 in the front...