Yoeleo R11 - di2 "budget" build

[adriaanm]

Finally! After about 6 months of planning and waiting, today I finally got to take my R11 for a short spin. Feels great! Still waiting for a di2 cable, a grommet for the RD cable exit, and some flatmount bolts before I can tape the handlebars and go on a longer ride. In the meantime, here's my full build spec. (Most of these parts were ordered in Dec 2020.)

I really wanted to try Di2 (a 900 CHF upgrade over plain 105 in my case), but I set a goal of minimizing the budget, so it's mostly 105 spec otherwise. Notably, cranks were unavailable, so I decided to try the CVR Hardrock ones. One worry is that the ZTTO thread together BB is 94mm wide from bearing seal to bearing seal (a Shimano BB86 BB is 92mm, and a BSA68 one is 90mm). This means there's about 5mm of the crank's spline interface that's not mated to the spindle, because the latter is too short. The bolts on the NDS crank do tighten onto the spindle, so I'm hoping it's ok.

The other gotcha was that the 2021 frame does not have a mounting hole for the Di2 RS910 junction in the downtube, unlike the 2020 one shown in the photos. I had to improvise a bit with my cable lengths, and ended up wedging my WU111 (BT junction) in the handlebars...    Otherwise, I'm happy with Yoeleo: it took exactly 3 months from my order on Dec 23 to shipment on Mar 23, and another 2 weeks to Switzerland using EMS Express. (I paid with Transferwise, btw -- the wire transfer took only a day to arrive.)

Uncut, the seatpost is 390mm, which means the BB center to saddle rail ranges from 655mm - 790mm (minimum insertion: 100mm, max insertion into frame: 235mm, which is 255mm above center of BB). My saddle height is about 700mm and my saddle has a stack height of 50mm, so I ended up shortening the seatpost to 350mm to avoid bottoming out.

The first section details everything that came in the box with the frame.

Ready to ride, the bike weighs 8.4kg and the total cost (including all taxes, shipping etc) was a bit under 3300 CHF.

Happy to answer questions! I'll definitely follow up once I get some more serious kms on the bike -- super excited!

CHASSIS & COCKPIT (YOELEO)	(2180g, 975 CHF incl shipping & tax)		Weight (g)
frame		54cm, candy red; weight incl grommets & FD hanger	900	https://www.yoeleobike.com/products/carbon-disc-brake-road-bike-frame-r11
fork		including thru bolt nut	362
handlebar		400/100	382
thru axles		120.5mm M12*P1.5 L10 / 166L*M12(P1.5)-16L	84.5
rear dropout + RD hanger		(came with an extra)	17
headset			67
expander			59
spacers			86
computer mount
seatpost			139.4
seatpost head hw		(for both 7x7 and 7x9 saddles)	66
seatpost wedge			17
seatpost gasket
CHASSIS (MISC)	(ca. 290g, 100 CHF)
headset micro-spacers		1.5mm (Micro-Spacer for Integrated Headsets)		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001175466366.html
handlebar tape		Lizard Skins DSP V2 3.2mm	83
saddle			149	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32944721682.html
bottle cages		2	52	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888832950.html
bottle cage bolts		M5x15		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000599017123.html
foam lining rear brake hose		capgo ol noise protection	3
DRIVETRAIN & BRAKING	(1372g, 1240 CHF)
brifters	ST-R785		520
calipers	BR-R7070	front (incl flatmount 140/160 adapter)	125
	BR-R7070	rear	107
brake pads	L02A		34
hose connecting bolt for calipers	Y8JA98010		4	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32719097563.html
hose	SM-BH90		55
olive + inserts	SM-BH90		4
brake caliper bolts rear	Y8N208010	33mm for 20mm chainstay	12
brake caliper bolts front		incl with brakes	7
front derailleur	FD-R8050		129
rear derailleur	RD-R8050-GS		250
Di2 junction boxes + BT/ant	EW-RS910		7
	SM-JC41		4
	EW-WU111		3
Di2 battery + charger + cable	BT-DN110		54
	SM-BCR2,Y-7FJ00020		0
Di2 cables	EW-JC130		12
	EW-SD50	1000, 750, 650, 350, 500 mm	28
Di2 Wire Holders			7
Di2 RD cable hole grommet	SM-GM02	oval 7x8mm
Di2 Seatpost Battery Mount		DIY using foam & tape	10
CRANK & PEDALS	(1367g, 186 CHF)
bottom bracket	ZTTO BB86-24		97	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33021799492.html
cranks	zrace hardrock	170mm, 50-34	722	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000006338700.html
chain	kmc x11el	118 links, shortened to 109	237.01
pedals	PD-R550		311
WHEELS	(3167g, 645 CHF)
wheelset	DT Swiss ER 1600 SPLINE DB 23	20-622	1686	https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/dt-swiss-er-1600-spline-db-23mm-wheelset-662528
tubeless valves	deemount	40mm, alloy, black	9	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32989510427.html
tires	gp5000 tl	32mm (max: 32mm) -- WAM: 30mm (at 4 bar)	761
cassette	SunRace CSRX1	11-32	314.5
rotors	SM-RT800	140mm back	113
rotors	SM-RT800	160mm front	132
sealant + air :-)			151

[Aesch]

How is the crank holding up? I'm looking for parts for a build and Tempted to go for a 105 setup mechanical for the time being.
Do the arms clear the frame well?

[adriaanm]

I have only ridden 20 km so far, but no issues. My cranks are 170mm 50-34. They clear the frame no issue. Pics attached. Will update the thread once I have some time for some more serious riding!

[hazzer19]

Finally! After about 6 months of planning and waiting, today I finally got to take my R11 for a short spin. Feels great! Still waiting for a di2 cable, a grommet for the RD cable exit, and some flatmount bolts before I can tape the handlebars and go on a longer ride. In the meantime, here's my full build spec. (Most of these parts were ordered in Dec 2020.)

I really wanted to try Di2 (a 900 CHF upgrade over plain 105 in my case), but I set a goal of minimizing the budget, so it's mostly 105 spec otherwise. Notably, cranks were unavailable, so I decided to try the CVR Hardrock ones. One worry is that the ZTTO thread together BB is 94mm wide from bearing seal to bearing seal (a Shimano BB86 BB is 92mm, and a BSA68 one is 90mm). This means there's about 5mm of the crank's spline interface that's not mated to the spindle, because the latter is too short. The bolts on the NDS crank do tighten onto the spindle, so I'm hoping it's ok.

The other gotcha was that the 2021 frame does not have a mounting hole for the Di2 RS910 junction in the downtube, unlike the 2020 one shown in the photos. I had to improvise a bit with my cable lengths, and ended up wedging my WU111 (BT junction) in the handlebars...    Otherwise, I'm happy with Yoeleo: it took exactly 3 months from my order on Dec 23 to shipment on Mar 23, and another 2 weeks to Switzerland using EMS Express. (I paid with Transferwise, btw -- the wire transfer took only a day to arrive.)

Uncut, the seatpost is 390mm, which means the BB center to saddle rail ranges from 655mm - 790mm (minimum insertion: 100mm, max insertion into frame: 235mm, which is 255mm above center of BB). My saddle height is about 700mm and my saddle has a stack height of 50mm, so I ended up shortening the seatpost to 350mm to avoid bottoming out.

The first section details everything that came in the box with the frame.

Ready to ride, the bike weighs 8.4kg and the total cost (including all taxes, shipping etc) was a bit under 3300 CHF.

Happy to answer questions! I'll definitely follow up once I get some more serious kms on the bike -- super excited!

CHASSIS & COCKPIT (YOELEO)	(2180g, 975 CHF incl shipping & tax)		Weight (g)
frame		54cm, candy red; weight incl grommets & FD hanger	900	https://www.yoeleobike.com/products/carbon-disc-brake-road-bike-frame-r11
fork		including thru bolt nut	362
handlebar		400/100	382
thru axles		120.5mm M12*P1.5 L10 / 166L*M12(P1.5)-16L	84.5
rear dropout + RD hanger		(came with an extra)	17
headset			67
expander			59
spacers			86
computer mount
seatpost			139.4
seatpost head hw		(for both 7x7 and 7x9 saddles)	66
seatpost wedge			17
seatpost gasket
CHASSIS (MISC)	(ca. 290g, 100 CHF)
headset micro-spacers		1.5mm (Micro-Spacer for Integrated Headsets)		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001175466366.html
handlebar tape		Lizard Skins DSP V2 3.2mm	83
saddle			149	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32944721682.html
bottle cages		2	52	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888832950.html
bottle cage bolts		M5x15		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000599017123.html
foam lining rear brake hose		capgo ol noise protection	3
DRIVETRAIN & BRAKING	(1372g, 1240 CHF)
brifters	ST-R785		520
calipers	BR-R7070	front (incl flatmount 140/160 adapter)	125
	BR-R7070	rear	107
brake pads	L02A		34
hose connecting bolt for calipers	Y8JA98010		4	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32719097563.html
hose	SM-BH90		55
olive + inserts	SM-BH90		4
brake caliper bolts rear	Y8N208010	33mm for 20mm chainstay	12
brake caliper bolts front		incl with brakes	7
front derailleur	FD-R8050		129
rear derailleur	RD-R8050-GS		250
Di2 junction boxes + BT/ant	EW-RS910		7
	SM-JC41		4
	EW-WU111		3
Di2 battery + charger + cable	BT-DN110		54
	SM-BCR2,Y-7FJ00020		0
Di2 cables	EW-JC130		12
	EW-SD50	1000, 750, 650, 350, 500 mm	28
Di2 Wire Holders			7
Di2 RD cable hole grommet	SM-GM02	oval 7x8mm
Di2 Seatpost Battery Mount		DIY using foam & tape	10
CRANK & PEDALS	(1367g, 186 CHF)
bottom bracket	ZTTO BB86-24		97	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33021799492.html
cranks	zrace hardrock	170mm, 50-34	722	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000006338700.html
chain	kmc x11el	118 links, shortened to 109	237.01
pedals	PD-R550		311
WHEELS	(3167g, 645 CHF)
wheelset	DT Swiss ER 1600 SPLINE DB 23	20-622	1686	https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/dt-swiss-er-1600-spline-db-23mm-wheelset-662528
tubeless valves	deemount	40mm, alloy, black	9	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32989510427.html
tires	gp5000 tl	32mm (max: 32mm) -- WAM: 30mm (at 4 bar)	761
cassette	SunRace CSRX1	11-32	314.5
rotors	SM-RT800	140mm back	113
rotors	SM-RT800	160mm front	132
sealant + air :-)			151

Nice work!

[NERider]

Finally! After about 6 months of planning and waiting, today I finally got to take my R11 for a short spin. Feels great! Still waiting for a di2 cable, a grommet for the RD cable exit, and some flatmount bolts before I can tape the handlebars and go on a longer ride. In the meantime, here's my full build spec. (Most of these parts were ordered in Dec 2020.)

I really wanted to try Di2 (a 900 CHF upgrade over plain 105 in my case), but I set a goal of minimizing the budget, so it's mostly 105 spec otherwise. Notably, cranks were unavailable, so I decided to try the CVR Hardrock ones. One worry is that the ZTTO thread together BB is 94mm wide from bearing seal to bearing seal (a Shimano BB86 BB is 92mm, and a BSA68 one is 90mm). This means there's about 5mm of the crank's spline interface that's not mated to the spindle, because the latter is too short. The bolts on the NDS crank do tighten onto the spindle, so I'm hoping it's ok.

The other gotcha was that the 2021 frame does not have a mounting hole for the Di2 RS910 junction in the downtube, unlike the 2020 one shown in the photos. I had to improvise a bit with my cable lengths, and ended up wedging my WU111 (BT junction) in the handlebars...    Otherwise, I'm happy with Yoeleo: it took exactly 3 months from my order on Dec 23 to shipment on Mar 23, and another 2 weeks to Switzerland using EMS Express. (I paid with Transferwise, btw -- the wire transfer took only a day to arrive.)

Uncut, the seatpost is 390mm, which means the BB center to saddle rail ranges from 655mm - 790mm (minimum insertion: 100mm, max insertion into frame: 235mm, which is 255mm above center of BB). My saddle height is about 700mm and my saddle has a stack height of 50mm, so I ended up shortening the seatpost to 350mm to avoid bottoming out.

The first section details everything that came in the box with the frame.

Ready to ride, the bike weighs 8.4kg and the total cost (including all taxes, shipping etc) was a bit under 3300 CHF.

Happy to answer questions! I'll definitely follow up once I get some more serious kms on the bike -- super excited!

CHASSIS & COCKPIT (YOELEO)	(2180g, 975 CHF incl shipping & tax)		Weight (g)
frame		54cm, candy red; weight incl grommets & FD hanger	900	https://www.yoeleobike.com/products/carbon-disc-brake-road-bike-frame-r11
fork		including thru bolt nut	362
handlebar		400/100	382
thru axles		120.5mm M12*P1.5 L10 / 166L*M12(P1.5)-16L	84.5
rear dropout + RD hanger		(came with an extra)	17
headset			67
expander			59
spacers			86
computer mount
seatpost			139.4
seatpost head hw		(for both 7x7 and 7x9 saddles)	66
seatpost wedge			17
seatpost gasket
CHASSIS (MISC)	(ca. 290g, 100 CHF)
headset micro-spacers		1.5mm (Micro-Spacer for Integrated Headsets)		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001175466366.html
handlebar tape		Lizard Skins DSP V2 3.2mm	83
saddle			149	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32944721682.html
bottle cages		2	52	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888832950.html
bottle cage bolts		M5x15		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000599017123.html
foam lining rear brake hose		capgo ol noise protection	3
DRIVETRAIN & BRAKING	(1372g, 1240 CHF)
brifters	ST-R785		520
calipers	BR-R7070	front (incl flatmount 140/160 adapter)	125
	BR-R7070	rear	107
brake pads	L02A		34
hose connecting bolt for calipers	Y8JA98010		4	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32719097563.html
hose	SM-BH90		55
olive + inserts	SM-BH90		4
brake caliper bolts rear	Y8N208010	33mm for 20mm chainstay	12
brake caliper bolts front		incl with brakes	7
front derailleur	FD-R8050		129
rear derailleur	RD-R8050-GS		250
Di2 junction boxes + BT/ant	EW-RS910		7
	SM-JC41		4
	EW-WU111		3
Di2 battery + charger + cable	BT-DN110		54
	SM-BCR2,Y-7FJ00020		0
Di2 cables	EW-JC130		12
	EW-SD50	1000, 750, 650, 350, 500 mm	28
Di2 Wire Holders			7
Di2 RD cable hole grommet	SM-GM02	oval 7x8mm
Di2 Seatpost Battery Mount		DIY using foam & tape	10
CRANK & PEDALS	(1367g, 186 CHF)
bottom bracket	ZTTO BB86-24		97	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33021799492.html
cranks	zrace hardrock	170mm, 50-34	722	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000006338700.html
chain	kmc x11el	118 links, shortened to 109	237.01
pedals	PD-R550		311
WHEELS	(3167g, 645 CHF)
wheelset	DT Swiss ER 1600 SPLINE DB 23	20-622	1686	https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/dt-swiss-er-1600-spline-db-23mm-wheelset-662528
tubeless valves	deemount	40mm, alloy, black	9	https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32989510427.html
tires	gp5000 tl	32mm (max: 32mm) -- WAM: 30mm (at 4 bar)	761
cassette	SunRace CSRX1	11-32	314.5
rotors	SM-RT800	140mm back	113
rotors	SM-RT800	160mm front	132
sealant + air :-)			151

You said that it took nearly 3 months from order to delivery confirmation. Can you elaborate please. I am going on over 3 months and all I get are new excuses as to why it hasn't shipped yet. It seems unbelievable to me that each time I ask for a status update it's a new excuse or delay after they already told me that it would only be another 3 days or two weeks, even after they tell me the frame is finished and ready.

Thanks.

[adriaanm]

Yeah, it was basically the same for me. I checked in with them every two-four weeks, but in the end that was kind of pointless, as I'm not super convinced their progress update each time was, erm, grounded in reality.

My timeline:
- Dec 23: Order confirmed
- Jan 25: Said to be in painting
- Feb 4: Said to be in painting (supposedly ready to ship late Feb)
- Mar 23 they sent me a tracking number. Then that tracking didn't update much, until two weeks later it was here!

tl;dr: yeah, their updates are annoying when you've been waiting this long, but the frame will be at your door one day!

[NERider]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with you, their updates seem to be pure fabrications for the sake of covering for delays that are unwilling to reveal. I find it unbelievable that they make a statement of "shipped in 3 days", but then fail again to ship or follow-on with another delay/excuse.

I'm leaning towards starting my paypal request for refund at this point. They are doing a piss poor job with developing confidence in their sales process and customer service. Thanks again.

[adriaanm]

I understand your frustration, but I suggest waiting a little bit longer. They are basically a reseller at the mercy of the factory. You're still getting a good deal compared to how much it would cost from a brand (and even time-wise, you're unlikely to get any big brand frames this year).

[NERider]

I hear you Adrian. I just don't understand why they feel the need to continue with the outright lies about expected delivery dates.

[adriaanm]

Yeah, I try to think of it more as dancing around the uncomfortable truth (and avoiding conflict). Good luck -- I hope you'll get your frame soon!

[svanimpe]

There seems to be a significant increase in demand for open mold frames as well, during this COVID cycling boom. My most recent Carbonda order also has a significant delay. It's been already two months since I've placed my order, and the frame is still not ready yet.

Yoeleo may indeed just be trying to dance around the fact that they use open molds as well, and they're having a hard time getting their orders fulfilled.

[carbonazza]

Yeah, I try to think of it more as dancing around the uncomfortable truth (and avoiding conflict). Good luck -- I hope you'll get your frame soon!

Yes exactly. It is so typical, when things go not as planned, they stay mute.
Until they have a better news.
Spamming them is useless, and probably offensive.
Patience is the only option.

[Zdrenka89]

I think it is also important to understand the differences in business culture between China and the western world. There is a bigger gap than one might think.

In china everything is about saving face for the employees involved. If you corner them to give an answer their culture 'tells them' to be vague and evasive.

Here is some tips:
https://chinaculturecorner.com/2014/01/27/saying-no-in-china/

[NERider]

The comments about Chinese business culture is interesting. That said, I think that it's equally fair that the ones on the receiving end of no updates or, worse yet, false updates are also offended. Trying to save face in these kinds of scenarios by making patently false statements completely backfires as all you've actually gained is a bad reputation.

Patience is a fine option when you're originally told 30-45 days. Since it's coming from overseas that does seem reasonable. When you approach the 90+ day range with repeated +3 day excuses with statements like, "your frame is ready" patience runs thin.

I will give them credit for one thing. Their social media presence, Youtube videos, and pricing strategy did lure me to believe that they would be a tighter outfit than some of the other brands in the region.

Let's see how this all plays out.   

[carbonazza]

I don't remember someone not receiving what they bought.
Statistically you could stop worrying right now

I waited about 9 months for my FM936.
Each month there was a different excuse.

And we know each other for years, I've bought them dozens of frames, and will continue.
Generally it is smooth, and goes as planned.
But sometimes not, and being angry would be counterproductive.